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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 24, 2020 16:20:07 GMT -5
yeah but if the owners were holding out for a price far above market value, isn't it wise for a&t to continue negotiations until they negotiated a more "reasonable" asking price? why "over pay" for a property if you don't have to? over paying takes away funds from other financial obligations that a&t has. next thing ya know, some a&t department is coming up "short" on funds because we over paid for a property that we didn't have to or we're substantially raising tuition costs to cover funds lost due to over payment for a property. so i disagree. don't "over pay" for a property just to expedite the building of a dorm. that takes away funding from other a&t financial obligations. do what you have to do to negotiate a more reasonable price, even if it means delaying construction of a new dorm... For three years? yes, for as long as it takes. otherwise, build it elsewhere on campus or on some other yet to be purchased property if necessary. look, i understand the lack of patience folk may have to build a new dorm on campus, i'm anxious to see it built too. but you can't allow someone to "take monetary advantage" of your impatience. the fact that you're impatient gives the property owner(s) more "leverage" to increase the price of the property, all because of your "impatience", not because of fair market value. if someone can swindle "excessive" thousands of dollars out of you only because you're desperate to build a dorm on their property, then guess what? you give the negotiating "leverage" to the owner of the property. for example sake, let's just say the fair market value of property is worth $400k. but you're so "desperate", you'll over pay for that property. if the owner knows you're desperate, then the owner would be dumb as hail to sell it to you for $400k, he's gonna squeeze as much money out of you as possible and i can't blame him. otherwise, would you pay $700k for a property that's only worth $400k just because you're impatient to build a new dorm on campus? however, if you demonstrate that you're not "desperate" to purchase that property (by being patient) while also exploring alternative properties to build the dorm elsewhere, then you'll save yourself thousands of dollars and begin to switch the "leverage" in your favor. the longer you're willing to wait, the less leverage the owner has, especially if no one else wants to purchase the property which is highly likely... |
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 24, 2020 16:40:43 GMT -5
The use of eminent domain renders it moot: www.grimesandteich.com/north-carolina-eminent-domain.htmlThat quote is from a law firm's website that specializes in property rights of those affected by eminent domain, among other things. To summarize, if we offer and they decline, we take them to court, they fight it, we win, we condemn the property and pay them fmv. Should be done in a year if you fast-track it. |
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Post by oldschool on Apr 24, 2020 18:11:42 GMT -5
yes, for as long as it takes. otherwise, build it elsewhere on campus or on some other yet to be purchased property if necessary. look, i understand the lack of patience folk may have to build a new dorm on campus, i'm anxious to see it built too. but you can't allow someone to "take monetary advantage" of your impatience. the fact that you're impatient gives the property owner(s) more "leverage" to increase the price of the property, all because of your "impatience", not because of fair market value. if someone can swindle "excessive" thousands of dollars out of you only because you're desperate to build a dorm on their property, then guess what? you give the negotiating "leverage" to the owner of the property. for example sake, let's just say the fair market value of property is worth $400k. but you're so "desperate", you'll over pay for that property. if the owner knows you're desperate, then the owner would be dumb as hail to sell it to you for $400k, he's gonna squeeze as much money out of you as possible and i can't blame him. otherwise, would you pay $700k for a property that's only worth $400k just because you're impatient to build a new dorm on campus? however, if you demonstrate that you're not "desperate" to purchase that property (by being patient) while also exploring alternative properties to build the dorm elsewhere, then you'll save yourself thousands of dollars and begin to switch the "leverage" in your favor. the longer you're willing to wait, the less leverage the owner has, especially if no one else wants to purchase the property which is highly likely... Two words "eminent domain" as a state institution we could exercise this option,and pay fair market value to seize property if needed .Another thing you're overlooking is construction costs rise over time . |
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Post by marchingband1969 on Apr 24, 2020 18:34:41 GMT -5
I guess I must have been poor too long! As the University struggles to build dorms, fund scholarships, and expand athletic budgets, I've lower my expectations for other "toys." I want us to have an abundance of scholarship funds to go toe to toe with any North Carolina state University. I want enough first rate dorms rooms that we can increase the number of students we can admit. And I want top professors that get the most out of our students. And when we have that, we can build a domed practice facility.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 24, 2020 20:46:05 GMT -5
yes, for as long as it takes. otherwise, build it elsewhere on campus or on some other yet to be purchased property if necessary. look, i understand the lack of patience folk may have to build a new dorm on campus, i'm anxious to see it built too. but you can't allow someone to "take monetary advantage" of your impatience. the fact that you're impatient gives the property owner(s) more "leverage" to increase the price of the property, all because of your "impatience", not because of fair market value. if someone can swindle "excessive" thousands of dollars out of you only because you're desperate to build a dorm on their property, then guess what? you give the negotiating "leverage" to the owner of the property. for example sake, let's just say the fair market value of property is worth $400k. but you're so "desperate", you'll over pay for that property. if the owner knows you're desperate, then the owner would be dumb as hail to sell it to you for $400k, he's gonna squeeze as much money out of you as possible and i can't blame him. otherwise, would you pay $700k for a property that's only worth $400k just because you're impatient to build a new dorm on campus? however, if you demonstrate that you're not "desperate" to purchase that property (by being patient) while also exploring alternative properties to build the dorm elsewhere, then you'll save yourself thousands of dollars and begin to switch the "leverage" in your favor. the longer you're willing to wait, the less leverage the owner has, especially if no one else wants to purchase the property which is highly likely... Two words "eminent domain" as a state institution we could exercise this option,and pay fair market value to seize property if needed .Another thing you're overlooking is construction costs rise over time . that's true, construction costs do rise over time. but i don't know a lot about eminent domain, i thought eminent domain only applied to governments. i didn't know it also applied to colleges... |
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Post by oldschool on Apr 24, 2020 21:21:56 GMT -5
Two words "eminent domain" as a state institution we could exercise this option,and pay fair market value to seize property if needed .Another thing you're overlooking is construction costs rise over time . that's true, construction costs do rise over time. but i don't know a lot about eminent domain, i thought eminent domain only applied to governments. i didn't know it also applied to colleges... Eminent domain is how UNCG built their dorms a few years ago . |
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Post by saabman on Apr 25, 2020 1:06:47 GMT -5
The use of eminent domain renders it moot: www.grimesandteich.com/north-carolina-eminent-domain.htmlThat quote is from a law firm's website that specializes in property rights of those affected by eminent domain, among other things. To summarize, if we offer and they decline, we take them to court, they fight it, we win, we condemn the property and pay them fmv. Should be done in a year if you fast-track it. The offer must be fair market value and not a penny less . Even if you win the case A&T would still have to pay the owner the property market value for that area or neighborhood there is no offering less. Your quote/statement is the reason that the fair market value laws were put into place to protect the property owners even if they lose their case that they will still be able to get the Property Market value for said property. |
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Post by saabman on Apr 25, 2020 1:19:38 GMT -5
Two words "eminent domain" as a state institution we could exercise this option,and pay fair market value to seize property if needed .Another thing you're overlooking is construction costs rise over time . that's true, construction costs do rise over time. but i don't know a lot about eminent domain, i thought eminent domain only applied to governments. i didn't know it also applied to colleges... Yes. Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities have the same eminent domain power as the federal and state government. The extent of these powers varies by jurisdiction, and is explained in the state’s constitution and/or legislation. |
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Post by lobengula on Apr 26, 2020 3:47:36 GMT -5
Two words "eminent domain" as a state institution we could exercise this option,and pay fair market value to seize property if needed .Another thing you're overlooking is construction costs rise over time . that's true, construction costs do rise over time. but i don't know a lot about eminent domain, i thought eminent domain only applied to governments. i didn't know it also applied to colleges... . True costs do rise like with Aggie Stadium when just before construction was to start powers that be threw hate environment impact study you know the rest of the saga. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 2, 2020 10:53:25 GMT -5
saw this article on jackson state upgrading their practice facilities and found it pretty interesting that instead of building an "indoor" practice facility, they're building an "outdoor" facility that has a "covered roof". now that's a good way of saving money compared to the cost of an indoor facility. however, an outdoor facility with a covered roof may protect you from "precipitation", but it won't protect you from adverse weather temperatures like an indoor facility would... hbcugameday.com/2020/10/01/jackson-state-primed-for-practice-facility-upgrade/The Walter Payton Recreation and Wellness Center will be transformed into a football practice pavilion with a covered roof. The project will be similar to UAB’s practice facility, with a steel foundation and covered roof. It will also be surrounded by a track. |
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Post by lobengula on Oct 2, 2020 15:30:18 GMT -5
saw this article on jackson state upgrading their practice facilities and found it pretty interesting that instead of building an "indoor" practice facility, they're building an "outdoor" facility that has a "covered roof". now that's a good way of saving money compared to the cost of an indoor facility. however, an outdoor facility with a covered roof may protect you from "precipitation", but it won't protect you from adverse weather temperatures like an indoor facility would... hbcugameday.com/2020/10/01/jackson-state-primed-for-practice-facility-upgrade/The Walter Payton Recreation and Wellness Center will be transformed into a football practice pavilion with a covered roof. The project will be similar to UAB’s practice facility, with a steel foundation and covered roof. It will also be surrounded by a track.Yes I saw that as well. Our problem primarily is that we do not have any political/economic relevance in spite of our circumstance. For instance here in the midst of silly season we are being bombarded to vote. If our vote is that important we need some reciprocity. I do not understand why we can not have an indoor facility-The Thomas B. Bynum Facility. We have been violated by the delaying tactic in regards to the new dorm. Eminent Domain should have been primary. What was the tax value of said property in the deed of records office Guilty County Government?
Finally, until we can confront the historic rot in this community we will continue to suffer from the little out house syndrome. Which is why far too many are okay with the music department being lacking but okay with a factory with health issues. I never accepted segregation yesteryear and do not accept it this year. It is time for us collectively to think anew. But then when the mis-leaders are constructing the narrative well it is what it is.
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Post by Jesse Jackson's Side eye on Oct 4, 2020 17:38:09 GMT -5
Although, I rather we get both the Endzone Complex and an Indoor Practice Facilities, I'd rather have the latter because i can see more use with the indoor facility across more sports than just Football and even a potential revenue stream.
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Post by A&T-roy on Oct 4, 2020 21:05:57 GMT -5
Although, I rather we get both the Endzone Complex and an Indoor Practice Facilities, I'd rather have the latter because i can see more use with the indoor facility across more sports than just Football and even a potential revenue stream. I concur. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 4, 2020 23:32:39 GMT -5
The end zone complex is a revenue stream. TSU has an indoor facility and it hasn’t helped them🤷🏾♂️.
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Post by lobengula on Oct 7, 2020 2:58:42 GMT -5
that's true, construction costs do rise over time. but i don't know a lot about eminent domain, i thought eminent domain only applied to governments. i didn't know it also applied to colleges... Yes. Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities have the same eminent domain power as the federal and state government. The extent of these powers varies by jurisdiction, and is explained in the state’s constitution and/or legislation. If we were serious we could have built that dorm on another location. The parking area from Brown Hall toward Carver Hall would have been a game changer. The creek could have been reconfigured with drainage enhancements piping concrete or metal back filled and built the dorm with additional space available. The Eminent Domain argument would have been for another day. In other words go around the obstacle yet achieve victory. As a matter of fact the dorm could have been the highest dorm on campus that is if we were truly serious. Too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome.
The lack of student involvement for real world practical participation is what stymies our move toward preeminence. Look students of engineering primarily should have some input as well as other relevant majors. Perhaps I am a dreamer, yet I am bold enough to imagine the impossible yet achievable idea of a blessed Ayantee. So as I see matters it is in our hands to enhance Ayantee's advancement. All that is required is the intestinal fortitude the courage to be.
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