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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Mar 3, 2020 14:09:39 GMT -5
Upon further review... there are some interesting thing to note about FT shooting. Yes... we're 350th in the nation at 60.1%. But we are also 2ND in the nation in FT shooting AGAINST us (63.0%) www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/north-carolina-at/2020.html#all_team_statsCase in point... SCSU is 50th in the nation in FTs at 75.0%. But against us... 15 of 23 (65.2%). Our pace and our ability to switch thru multiple defenses (man, 1-2-2, 1-3-1) wears teams down. And while we're not shooting FTs well... neither are they as a result. And if we continue to play our style better that they play theirs, we're going to come out on top on Thursday and next week. that's a very interesting stat because one of the things i previously attributed poor free throw shooting to was tired legs resulting from an uptempo style of play. albeit, that stat doesn't necessarily prove my point but it does however support my argument... There's definitely some correlation to your earlier points about tempo, fatigue & FT shooting, IMO. |
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Post by da heretic on Mar 3, 2020 14:32:08 GMT -5
What about last season? Didn't A&T shoot poorly last season as well?
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Post by numberonebrave on Mar 3, 2020 14:45:41 GMT -5
Are the teams that beat us shooting below their FT average?
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Mar 3, 2020 14:50:35 GMT -5
We have been a poor free throw shooting team the last couple of years the ladies as well
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Mar 3, 2020 14:54:41 GMT -5
Kam currently has terrible free throw shooting form that will prevent him from ever being a consistent shooter. He allows to ball to sit in the palm of his shooting hand and he has too much horizontal movement when he raises the ball from his chest. Basically he needs to create more spin on the ball with his fingertips (not palm) and shorten his lift motion. There is too much variance in his mechanics right now to replicate it consistently. He can make 5 in a row ... and turn right around and miss 3 in a row. It's clearly in his head he will shoot a couple with perfect form then do something like you mentioned above where he is not shooting a free throw he is just aiming. Like throwing a ping pong ball in the water cup at the fair.... At the end of his freshman year Kam was shooting the 3 very well. |
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Mar 3, 2020 14:57:20 GMT -5
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 3, 2020 15:10:37 GMT -5
Kam currently has terrible free throw shooting form that will prevent him from ever being a consistent shooter. He allows to ball to sit in the palm of his shooting hand and he has too much horizontal movement when he raises the ball from his chest. Basically he needs to create more spin on the ball with his fingertips (not palm) and shorten his lift motion. There is too much variance in his mechanics right now to replicate it consistently. He can make 5 in a row ... and turn right around and miss 3 in a row. It's clearly in his head he will shoot a couple with perfect form then do something like you mentioned above where he is not shooting a free throw he is just aiming. Like throwing a ping pong ball in the water cup at the fair.... At the end of his freshman year Kam was shooting the 3 very well. The problem is he doesn't know what he is doing wrong or what he is doing right, therefore is is unable to self correct in real time. Just because the ball went through the basket does not necessarily mean you used correct shooting mechanics. |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 3, 2020 15:15:07 GMT -5
What about last season? Didn't A&T shoot poorly last season as well? I was just about to say this. I would have agreed with that "up tempo" theory except for the fact that we been terrible from the line before we starting scoring a lot of points. When your primary ball handler cant shoot free throws your team's FT percentage will always be at the bottom of the country. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 3, 2020 15:16:41 GMT -5
We will be a bad free throw shooting team for the next 20 years unless we bring in a specialist who can teach proper mechanics.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 3, 2020 15:26:02 GMT -5
It needs to be corrected.....I will bring it up at the AAF meeting tonight. I don't care if we're running and gunning or playing the 4-corners.....barely shooting 50-60% as a team from the line is inexcusable. I don't want to hear excuses, hypotheses, theorems, postulations, etc. on why that is. CORRECT IT!! If not, we will be summarily dismissed in the MEAC tournament.
If there are 3 minutes left in a game and you are playing us, there's simply no way you don't go to a "Hack-a-Kam" approach. The ball is in his hands for well over 50% of each possession. I'm not picking on the young brotha - I said my peace already.....HE NEEDS TO BE MEAC PLAYER OF THE YEAR. With that being said, he has a flaw in his game that can prove fatal come postseason time....and that's his FREE THROW SHOOTING! If opposing teams ain't fouling him in a tight game in Norfolk, their coaching staff needs to be called to the carpet.
Just calling them as I see them....
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Post by codeblu78 on Mar 3, 2020 15:26:17 GMT -5
Just can’t buy the argument that we are a bad shooting ft team because we play up tempo. We have to be in condition to play up tempo. There are lots of up tempo teams that can shoot free throws.
The problem is proper technique! As stated above, that won’t be fixed over night.
Hopefully we can over power teams through out the tournament .
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 3, 2020 16:13:08 GMT -5
We will be a bad free throw shooting team for the next 20 years unless we bring in a specialist who can teach proper mechanics. trust me, though mechanics are indeed important, great mechanics "alone" won't fix poor free throw shooting. sometimes we over simplify stuff, we want a one fix solution to everything. but everybody on the team doesn't have poor mechanics, yet the team as a whole shoots free throws poorly. there are guys who have the most beautiful mechanics on the face of the planet, but you can't pay them a million bucks to shoot high percentage free throws. there was a time when russell westbrook only made 60% of his free throws and there's nothing wrong with his mechanics. then on the other hand, you've got guys like a jamaal wilkes who had the "ugliest" mechanics in the universe who made darn near 80% of his free throws and never shot below 70% ever in his nba career. kevin durant's mechanics aren't picture perfect either, but he's an outstanding shooter nonetheless who converts almost 90% of his free throws. look at the picture, his elbow ain't straight and he's almost blocking his vision with his shooting hand.  so i don't think you can isolate only one aspect of free throw shooting to fix overall poor free throw shooting. in a full court game, mechanics are important for sure but so is conditioning and as frisco correctly stated, a lot of free throw shooting is "mental". that's why some guys are more reliable converting free throws while "under pressure" when the game is on the line than others, its all "mental". i don't know for sure what ails our team's free throw shooting, but i'd be willing to bet that its a combination of things rather than mechanics alone. me personally, i'm inclined to believe that our style of play is a major contributor. not only because of our "uptempo" style, but also because coach jones "demands" that our guys "defend" which they do quite well. but the only problem with defending is that it also taxes your "legs" because you play defense primarily with your "legs". couple that with 40 minutes of uptempo transition basketball? hence, that is my concern... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 3, 2020 16:18:46 GMT -5
Just can’t buy the argument that we are a bad shooting ft team because we play up tempo. We have to be in condition to play up tempo. There are lots of up tempo teams that can shoot free throws. The problem is proper technique! As stated above, that won’t be fixed over night. Hopefully we can over power teams through out the tournament . so you think the entire team has improper technique? these guys are now in college and you still think they've never been taught how to properly shoot a free throw all their lives? i mean, shooting free throws ain't "rocket science". i'd be willing to bet most of the guys on our team can knock down at least 70% of their free throws in practice if their legs are "fresh" (not tired) and they have not been sprinting up and down the court for 40 minutes... |
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Post by da heretic on Mar 3, 2020 16:28:09 GMT -5
Those are all good points, Mr. "Oldschool." But poor free throw shooting has been a problem for longer than this season. I know there are archivists on this site, and I dare say that the men's problems go as far back as Roy Thomas, and y'all know better than me how long ago he was coach. I aint never played b-ball, but I'm a fan, and it irks the hell outta me how kids been playing nearly as long as they've been alive not be able to hit free throws; just wanna explain why I'm makin such a fuss over such a trivial thang, which says how much of a life I have (lol).
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Mar 3, 2020 16:43:18 GMT -5
I think the wildcard that's been missed in all of this is Dre Jackson. Dre was able to light the switch with 18 pts on 5-7 FG shooting (4-6 3-pt). Dre has been due for a hot streak.
If Dre stays hot down the stretch... we are a much more difficult animal to stop.
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