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Post by Bornthrilla on Feb 12, 2020 10:02:14 GMT -5
You want a cat you know has poor PR skills to hold a town hall meeting? There's gotta be a better way. Gotta man up. Seconds are on the clock and we're down by two. Even though he is shooting a career 40 percent from the foul line, we need him to knock down these two free throws for us and send the game into OT.
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Post by Maxell on Feb 12, 2020 10:04:13 GMT -5
Whether it’s a town hall format or not he has to be the one to communicate the why. Or better yet Chairman of the BOT?
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 12, 2020 10:06:32 GMT -5
Chairman might be better. You don't want Shaq shooting the free throws even though he's your go-to guy for the majority of the game.
Or hell, perhaps the whole Board or the people that were on the Athletic exploratory thingy or whatever. They made the decision, let them explain it.
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Post by Freeze on Feb 12, 2020 10:23:10 GMT -5
Or hell, perhaps the whole Board or the people that were on the Athletic exploratory thingy or whatever. They made the decision, let them explain it. This.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 12, 2020 11:04:01 GMT -5
wow, this is really funny to me. first we haul azz from the meac, abandon our fellow hbcu's, and join a pwc conference. then "to keep our fans happy", we friggin' exploit our fellow hbcu's who we left hanging to die, just so that we can "keep our fans happy". i mean, how "selfish" can we be? i mean, really? we want our cake and eat it too. we abandon a conference that really needs us, we give them the finger, join a pwc conference, and then beg them to play us so that we can, "keep our fans happy"? wow, just wow. if the shoe was on the other foot, i'd tell ya'll to take a hike. should've stayed in the conference. its not the meac or swac's job to keep your fans happy, can't have your cake and eat it too... wow! i never knew that i created this thread? geeesh, i'm just seeing it for the first time. i remember making the comment, but don't remember creating this thread. geeesh, somebody must have slipped some of trues' e&j in my coffee...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 12, 2020 11:20:10 GMT -5
of course it is. would you really expect them to visit aggie stadium without a return visit? the mere fact that we'll ask them to play us at all is "exploiting" them. it don't matter whether its a home-n-home deal or not. the exploitation is that a&t decided to leave them for dead in the meac. so now we want to "use them" for our benefit despite our actions to leave them for dead in a conference that very well could collapse as a result of our actions. its wanting our cake (joining the bs) and eating it too (playing nccu). it is exploiting nccu solely for our benefit while at the same time giving them the finger because we've damaged their future potential in the meac. you dayum right that's exploiting nccu. we'd be using nccu to help make our decision to leave the meac "easier" to deal with. if that ain't exploitation, i don't know what exploitation is and i clearly know what exploitation is. like i said in a previous post, that's like breaking up with your girlfriend and asking her to give you some even though you now are dating a white girl... I think your just being too emotionally tied to this. It makes sense for them and us if both parties think about it. NCCU or any other MEAC school should not feel or shouldn't have felt disrespected if we moved to another conference. They should be trying to do what's best for them. Blind Loyalty gets you screwed sometimes. well, nccu survived many years without playing us and sometimes, "principles" are more important than financial benefits. if someone spit in your face and then offered you $20, would you want that $20? like i said, sometimes "principles" are more important than financial benefits...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Feb 12, 2020 11:23:43 GMT -5
Oleschool, I could be wrong, but I think this thread was created as a hodgepodge of various posts from other forums.
One of the moderators probably was just trying to combine all the similar conversations together.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 12, 2020 11:34:38 GMT -5
That was me. Every post in this thread was originally in the thread "What is your idea ofFuture Non Conference Football Opponent" (sic). I just took all the ones that appeared to veer off topic. oleschool's seemed to be the first that went into this separate issue, so...
Technically oleschool, you did create this thread lol.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Feb 12, 2020 11:39:03 GMT -5
I think your just being too emotionally tied to this. It makes sense for them and us if both parties think about it. NCCU or any other MEAC school should not feel or shouldn't have felt disrespected if we moved to another conference. They should be trying to do what's best for them. Blind Loyalty gets you screwed sometimes. well, nccu survived many years without playing us and sometimes, "principles" are more important than financial benefits. if someone spit in your face and then offered you $20, would you want that $20? like i said, sometimes "principles" are more important than financial benefits... Your assuming that they feel like we did spit in their face. They may not feel that way at all. And I'm not talking about some complaining a$$ alumni. I'm talking about their Chancellor and AD. We could have easily told NCCU that "look, we are making this move. Thats a done deal. But we would love to still play you guys if you want to as well? Its beneficial to both parties to keep this going." Everything does't have to be hate or "spit in the face" as you would put it. People understand that you have to make moves and everyone doesn't hate you for it.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 12, 2020 12:03:48 GMT -5
You're correct, Tennessee States leadership is on par with the MEACs leadership. when is the last time you looked at a&t's leadership prior to dr. martin's arrival? i mean, there is no guarantee that dr. martin will stay put at a&t for eternity. you don't think our leadership can change? i've been an aggie since the mid 70's and "in my opinion", dr. martin is head and shoulders better than any other chancellor we've had since i became an aggie. so when i think about the notion of any of his predecessors since the mid 70's taking the baton to finish what dr. martin started, i "cringe". what was our leadership like 10 or 15 years ago or beyond? how well was our athletics budget managed 10 or 15 years ago or beyond? what if dr. martin isn't around 3 or 4 years from now? most posters on this message know that i'm a very strong supporter of dr. martin and i wouldn't trade him for any other chancellor/president in the world. but i totally disagree with his decision to move us out of the meac. the only other decisions that dr. martin has made that i didn't like were the decisions to end individual fraternities and sororities from playing their own music and cooking their own food on our respective plots during ghoe and also the decision to consolidate all of our meac men's basketball championship banners in corbett onto one single banner rather than hang an individual banner for each championship. other than those two things and the decision to leave the meac, i've otherwise concurred with all of dr. martin's decisions...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 12, 2020 12:04:44 GMT -5
Oleschool, I could be wrong, but I think this thread was created as a hodgepodge of various posts from other forums. One of the moderators probably was just trying to combine all the similar conversations together. i don't have a problem with it, just wasn't aware it had been done...
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Post by outsidethinker on Feb 12, 2020 12:36:04 GMT -5
You're correct, Tennessee States leadership is on par with the MEACs leadership. when is the last time you looked at a&t's leadership prior to dr. martin's arrival? i mean, there is no guarantee that dr. martin will stay put at a&t for eternity. you don't think our leadership can change? i've been an aggie since the mid 70's and "in my opinion", dr. martin is head and shoulders better than any other chancellor we've had since i became an aggie. so when i think about the notion of any of his predecessors since the mid 70's taking the baton to finish what dr. martin started, i "cringe". what was our leadership like 10 or 15 years ago or beyond? how well was our athletics budget managed 10 or 15 years ago or beyond? what if dr. martin isn't around 3 or 4 years from now? most posters on this message know that i'm a very strong supporter of dr. martin and i wouldn't trade him for any other chancellor/president in the world. but i totally disagree with his decision to move us out of the meac. the only other decisions that dr. martin has made that i didn't like were the decisions to end individual fraternities and sororities from playing their own music and cooking their own food on our respective plots during ghoe and also the decision to consolidate all of our meac men's basketball championship banners in corbett onto one single banner rather than hang an individual banner for each championship. other than those two things and the decision to leave the meac, i've otherwise concurred with all of dr. martin's decisions... I totally understand where you stand on the move and it isn't bad. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I'm just trying to understand what is your selling point on staying in the MEAC from a perspective outside of just "kicking it with the bruhs at a handful of games" and homecoming for the rest our lives? Again the only thing the MEAC has done in the last 30 years is help create the Ultimate MEAC/SWAC bottom league bowl. You see the MEAC struggling and your Business Move response is to just stay the course and weather the storm until we're eventually disbanded anyway. As much as you're advocating for "black unity and no white mans ice" I hope you turned down every non minority company that came your way and only worked for Black Owned businesses while living in the same neighborhood you grew up in with a house the exact same size. If we fall flat on our face in the Big South we can always return back to what's left of the MEAC. I don't see what's the problem with atleast trying something new every 125 years.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 12, 2020 12:41:01 GMT -5
well, nccu survived many years without playing us and sometimes, "principles" are more important than financial benefits. if someone spit in your face and then offered you $20, would you want that $20? like i said, sometimes "principles" are more important than financial benefits... Your assuming that they feel like we did spit in their face. They may not feel that way at all. And I'm not talking about some complaining a$$ alumni. I'm talking about their Chancellor and AD. We could have easily told NCCU that "look, we are making this move. Thats a done deal. But we would love to still play you guys if you want to as well? Its beneficial to both parties to keep this going." Everything does't have to be hate or "spit in the face" as you would put it. People understand that you have to make moves and everyone doesn't hate you for it. "us" exploiting them has nothing to do with how they feel about us. they could luv us as much as they luv themselves, but we'd still be "exploiting" them if we initiated talks to schedule games with them. i don't think you're considering the "principle" of the matter, you're ignoring the harm we've done to nccu's future as if we're never leaving the meac. again, we just slapped nccu and the entire meac in the face, we abandoned them, we severely "hurt" the stability of their athletic future. we have put nccu and the entire meac in a very difficult "bind" as a result of our decision. so i just "severely hurt" your future which could cost you a lot of money in the long haul, but now i want you to do me a favor and let me make money off of you? i hurt you without any regard for your future, but yet i now want you to do me a favor? even though i'll pay you back with a return visit? well, how are you gonna make up for ruining my future? we didn't ruin your future, so we don't owe you anything for that. its called "principles". in principle, nccu didn't hurt our future, but we hurt theirs. so you think an equal deal for a home-n-home game with nccu is fair to nccu even though we've put them in a "very scary" bind? like i said, you're ignoring the principle of the deal as if its business as usual and we've done no harm to nccu's athletic future...
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 12, 2020 12:53:35 GMT -5
The conference will be alright. Or it won't. But nobody's in any kind of bind over it.
Out of curiosity I peeped at some of Virginia State's numbers. I had no idea but VSU is larger than Coppin, Del State, UMES, Norfolk, Cookman, and Steat, and roughly the same size as Morgan. It also has a larger endowment than half the schools in the MEAC. If you want to be proactive and cut travel costs (and a struggling school to boot) you jettison the Florida schools years ago and offer to help VSU to pay for the d-1 move by paying half of it for them or paying it all and letting them pay half back in installments. The conference footprint just shrank tremendously.
If the MEAC had any interest in remaining viable we'd have seen some moves like that. The goddess of victory was waving her drawers in the MEAC's face so what does the conference do? Adds Savannah State. Is it smart to stay in a conference that isn't smart?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 12, 2020 13:02:29 GMT -5
when is the last time you looked at a&t's leadership prior to dr. martin's arrival? i mean, there is no guarantee that dr. martin will stay put at a&t for eternity. you don't think our leadership can change? i've been an aggie since the mid 70's and "in my opinion", dr. martin is head and shoulders better than any other chancellor we've had since i became an aggie. so when i think about the notion of any of his predecessors since the mid 70's taking the baton to finish what dr. martin started, i "cringe". what was our leadership like 10 or 15 years ago or beyond? how well was our athletics budget managed 10 or 15 years ago or beyond? what if dr. martin isn't around 3 or 4 years from now? most posters on this message know that i'm a very strong supporter of dr. martin and i wouldn't trade him for any other chancellor/president in the world. but i totally disagree with his decision to move us out of the meac. the only other decisions that dr. martin has made that i didn't like were the decisions to end individual fraternities and sororities from playing their own music and cooking their own food on our respective plots during ghoe and also the decision to consolidate all of our meac men's basketball championship banners in corbett onto one single banner rather than hang an individual banner for each championship. other than those two things and the decision to leave the meac, i've otherwise concurred with all of dr. martin's decisions... I totally understand where you stand on the move and it isn't bad. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I'm just trying to understand what is your selling point on staying in the MEAC from a perspective outside of just "kicking it with the bruhs at a handful of games" and homecoming for the rest our lives? Again the only thing the MEAC has done in the last 30 years is help create the Ultimate MEAC/SWAC bottom league bowl. You see the MEAC struggling and your Business Move response is to just stay the course and weather the storm until we're eventually disbanded anyway. As much as you're advocating for "black unity and no white mans ice" I hope you turned down every non minority company that came your way and only worked for Black Owned businesses while living in the same neighborhood you grew up in with a house the exact same size. If we fall flat on our face in the Big South we can always return back to what's left of the MEAC. I don't see what's the problem with atleast trying something new every 125 years. the problem is, we're currently the "flagship" institution of the meac. the problem is, the meac (our hbcu brother and sisters) can least afford the departure of its "flagship" institution at a time the league needs us the most. our departure is not akin to ssu leaving. ssu leaving the meac really didn't hurt the meac very much at all because ssu was nowhere near being the "flagship" institution of the meac. our departure is not akin to wssu leaving for the very same reason. wssu was nowhere near being the "flagship" institution of the meac, the league could easily recover from their departures. what i don't understand, is why folks can't see the "harm" we're bringing to institutions that we have a long historic history with in order to "save" the collapse of a pwc conference? what i don't understand, is why folks can't see that the big south will be largely "responsible" for destroying an hbcu conference by "poaching away" two of the meac's strongest athletic programs. what i don't understand, is why folks are okay with partying with a pwc conference that never wanted us in the first place until they themselves were on "life support". far as i'm concerned, we're the biggest "suckas" on the face of the planet for falling for a "disingenuous, insincere, and selfish" offer from a pwc conference to join their league. they don't want us becaue they're interested in the mutual well being of us and their conference. they don't care whether we prosper or not, they only care that we're making their conference more stable for the long term and that we'll take their conference off of "life support" and that's all. i can just sense the "snickering" going on in the big south behind closed doors that a&t took their bait and fell for the "okie dope". meanwhile, we've left our fellow hbcu's to suffer a very uncertain future while we "cheese it up" with the snickering big south executives...
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