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Post by aggie252 on Feb 11, 2020 9:39:34 GMT -5
Some on here think the BSC move is a stepping-stone to FBS. Martin has previously mentioned it. If we did make that move one day, what would you consider success once there? What App St did this year in football? Consistent bowl wins? Conference championships? Making a Cinderella run in the NCAA tourney every once in a while like we’ve seen smaller schools do before? College World Series appearance, etc?
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 11, 2020 9:44:27 GMT -5
FBS is separate from the college world series and the NCAA tourney. We're already eligible to compete in the college world series and NCAA tourney.
What App St has done since they hit FBS would be great. Conference Championships would be great. Consistent bowl wins would be great. I'd consider any of those success.
Off the field getting our name in even more households and legitimizing hbcus to a wider audience would be success in my book.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Feb 11, 2020 9:50:40 GMT -5
UNC Charlotte and the University of Buffalo both had 7 win seasons and met in the Bahamas Bowl this year.
If we were to do something like that on an annual basis, I would feel pretty good about a move to FBS.
That still is not as good as the situation we currently have with the Celebration Bowl, but it is a lot better than freezing your tale off in B.F.E Idaho in the middle of December.
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Post by Maxell on Feb 11, 2020 9:52:21 GMT -5
Off the field getting our name in even more households and legitimizing hbcus to a wider audience would be success in my book. Kids Making A&T the school of choice before ECU, App and Charlotte
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Post by aggie252 on Feb 11, 2020 9:54:44 GMT -5
FBS is separate from the college world series and the NCAA tourney. We're already eligible to compete in the college world series and NCAA tourney. What App St has done since they hit FBS would be great. Conference Championships would be great. Consistent bowl wins would be great. I'd consider any of those success. Off the field getting our name in even more households and legitimizing hbcus to a wider audience would be success in my book. FBS would mean more revenue for various reasons, which i would assume means more resources to give us a more realistic competitive chance in the tourney and World Series, that’s why i mentioned them.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Feb 11, 2020 9:56:20 GMT -5
FBS will definitely mean more expenses. How do you figure it would necessarily mean more revenue?
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 11, 2020 10:01:08 GMT -5
I've never figured that one out myself, but a lot of schools are making the move just for that reason.
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Post by ohsixrain on Feb 11, 2020 10:11:54 GMT -5
If we could duplicate an App. State then the revenue stream would open up as well. From an FCS perspective the Celebration Bowl is very good. Bowl payouts are pretty good at the FBS level because, you wouldn't necessarily have to win your conference to make a bowl game. FCS is a all or nothing type of deal. In 2016 we finished 9-3, 7-1 in the conference and NCCU finished 9-3, 8-0 in the conference, they saw the CB with a huge payout and we got the playoffs which, turned out to be a happy meal. That's a huge difference.
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Post by aggie252 on Feb 11, 2020 10:19:57 GMT -5
FBS will definitely mean more expenses. How do you figure it would necessarily mean more revenue? I would have to assume that the FBS conference would have a better tv/steaming deal that the big south currently has, better sponsorship deals and opportunities, if we end up in a conference with fanbases that travel, more ticket revenue. We also could ask for more when it come to pay games.Some FBS schools are getting $500k-1 mil. Georgia southern got $925k last year. You are right about the rise of the expenses though, i would have to assume that we would still profit more than we are going to in the big south. I could be wrong.
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Post by natedizzle on Feb 11, 2020 10:26:25 GMT -5
success would be regular bowl appearances similar to App. Also showing up in the top 25 every once in a while. This would I believe lead to name recognition for the school which would translate into potential benefits for the school. It would also be nice to see the aggies have a football game on national tv on saturday afternoon and not wednesday nights like some other teams. Also imagine a scenario where an ACC team would come into the corbett gardens for a basketball game!!!!
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Post by lobengula on Feb 14, 2020 6:57:07 GMT -5
If we could duplicate an App. State then the revenue stream would open up as well. From an FCS perspective the Celebration Bowl is very good. Bowl payouts are pretty good at the FBS level because, you wouldn't necessarily have to win your conference to make a bowl game. FCS is a all or nothing type of deal. In 2016 we finished 9-3, 7-1 in the conference and NCCU finished 9-3, 8-0 in the conference, they saw the CB with a huge payout and we got the playoffs which, turned out to be a happy meal. That's a huge difference. See this is the problem as I see it which I would refer all readers to Franz Fanon' The Wretched of the Earth the last chapter epilogue which speaks to our present reality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 8:00:32 GMT -5
If we could duplicate an App. State then the revenue stream would open up as well. From an FCS perspective the Celebration Bowl is very good. Bowl payouts are pretty good at the FBS level because, you wouldn't necessarily have to win your conference to make a bowl game. FCS is a all or nothing type of deal. In 2016 we finished 9-3, 7-1 in the conference and NCCU finished 9-3, 8-0 in the conference, they saw the CB with a huge payout and we got the playoffs which, turned out to be a happy meal. That's a huge difference. See this is the problem as I see it which I would refer all readers to Franz Fanon' The Wretched of the Earth the last chapter epilogue which speaks to our present reality. How would you have suggested we handled our ballooning travel costs? You realize we are cutting about $500k out of our travel budget and we can’t bank the Celebration Bowl earnings right? You realize our baseball and softball teams had to sit on a bus for over 12 hours to play in Florida right? You realize that that NCCU Athletics has a $600k deficit from not hosting the Aggie Eagle AND increasing travel? I don’t know about y’all but I want us to not go into a financial hole doing it for the culture.
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Post by saabman on Feb 14, 2020 10:35:44 GMT -5
success would be regular bowl appearances similar to App. Also showing up in the top 25 every once in a while. This would I believe lead to name recognition for the school which would translate into potential benefits for the school. It would also be nice to see the aggies have a football game on national tv on saturday afternoon and not wednesday nights like some other teams. Also imagine a scenario where an ACC team would come into the corbett gardens for a basketball game!!!! Success at the FBS level is about alignments and conference affiliation and stability at that level . Align or joining the right conference is Paramount , join the WRONG conference you just as well had stayed in the FCS . Success for A&T when they decide to make the move is to find the proper fit . A&T can not afford the luxury of being a independent like Liberty . Success is finding a stable conference that is willing to except an HBCU .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 12:43:17 GMT -5
success would be regular bowl appearances similar to App. Also showing up in the top 25 every once in a while. This would I believe lead to name recognition for the school which would translate into potential benefits for the school. It would also be nice to see the aggies have a football game on national tv on saturday afternoon and not wednesday nights like some other teams. Also imagine a scenario where an ACC team would come into the corbett gardens for a basketball game!!!! Success at the FBS level is about alignments and conference affiliation and stability at that level . Align or joining the right conference is Paramount , join the WRONG conference you just as well had stayed in the FCS . Success for A&T when they decide to make the move is to find the proper fit . A&T can not afford the luxury of being a independent like Liberty . Success is finding a stable conference that is willing to except an HBCU . Agreed 100%. Regarding fit, the best fit would be a conference that is regionally compact or has a tv deal that offsets the increased costs for travel or scholarships.
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Post by DECKS on Feb 14, 2020 12:56:47 GMT -5
FBS is separate from the college world series and the NCAA tourney. We're already eligible to compete in the college world series and NCAA tourney. What App St has done since they hit FBS would be great. Conference Championships would be great. Consistent bowl wins would be great. I'd consider any of those success. Off the field getting our name in even more households and legitimizing hbcus to a wider audience would be success in my book. In 2011 Martin said he wanted to follow the App State model to building a program. The irony is they were still FCS at that time.
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