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Post by bseballaggie on Jul 14, 2022 12:05:00 GMT -5
I Never said we should not play the game of course I think we should play the game I’m excited about it however that is different from having a guarantee game. I am comparing us to Deleware because one they were ranked about where we were during negotiations and two the $ .. I am more than certain oiur attendance is the same out better and I am certain that our tickets cost more than theirs. So it’s a wash. I t’s the mentality .. the same mentality that said accept a deal w the bank for naming rights of our stadium. Oh we are the poor little black school can you help us.. sure thing Aggies we will take your average 15k attendance all of your games that are streamed and on national tv at home, we’ll take all of your track meets where people come from all over and we will pay you 15x less than the same stadium across town that just does baseball w average attendance 1200 and not a single visitor comes from anywhere - and we say thank you sir instead of demanding our worth. Because the white guy from HP baseball definitely did it. But ours didn’t.
This is the same thing. And the difference between pwis and hbcus.. we do too much asking- instead of demanding our worth. What would have been more valuable to the program is if we had the same respect as our peers and had a home and home or a neutral site game .. that’s what builds the reputation of your program. Not hand outs. And it is most certainly about dignity .. [/b] Strong points, with which I agree.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 14, 2022 12:15:29 GMT -5
Where are the details regarding the naming rights for UNCG stadium? Where did the 15x come from, we need factual info versus emotional PFM numbers… Additionally, the HP stadium doesn’t belong to the university… High Point Baseball Inc is the non-profit organization operating the baseball team that plays in the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball in a brand new, approximately $36M, downtown ballpark named Truist Point, previously known as BB&T Point. highpointrockers.com/truist-point/This is HP baseball stadium highpointpanthers.com/sports/2009/8/4/fac_0804091341.aspxoy O. Williard Stadium was dedicated in 2007, making High Point University’s baseball facility one of the best in the Big South. Erath Field’s natural-grass surface has long been the home of HPU baseball, and it has undergone major renovations since 2001, including a new infield, irrigation system and video scoreboard. In 2016 the brick wall down the foul lines was extended and the first base bullpen was renovated in the summer of 2017 by installing turf. We are not doing a home and home with ndsu because in the grand scheme of things they could care less whether or not we play them. We are the ones with something to prove not them. When you are too dog you have the position of leverage, it’s really simple concept.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 14, 2022 13:00:08 GMT -5
NDSU has the money to pay for home games against peers with no return games. We don't. NDSU has been scheduling money games against fellow FCS schools for years. It's not just us.
Besides I wouldn't be interested in them anally gouging us at their place AND ours.
I've been there. We're nowhere close to their level. Anything can happen on any given Saturday but I have to acknowledge a whole lot of things would have to happen on one specific Saturday to keep the score respectable.
While I agree we do far too much asking instead of demanding (or not even bothering to ask) in this case we're not asking for anything. They offered us money for butt, we're giving the butt. Hopefully it doesn't go the way they expect.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jul 14, 2022 14:24:06 GMT -5
I Never said we should not play the game of course I think we should play the game I’m excited about it however that is different from having a guarantee game. I am comparing us to Deleware because one they were ranked about where we were during negotiations and two the $ .. I am more than certain oiur attendance is the same out better and I am certain that our tickets cost more than theirs. So it’s a wash. It’s the mentality .. the same mentality that said accept a deal w the bank for naming rights of our stadium. Oh we are the poor little black school can you help us.. sure thing Aggies we will take your average 15k attendance all of your games that are streamed and on national tv at home, we’ll take all of your track meets where people come from all over and we will pay you 15x less than the same stadium across town that just does baseball w average attendance 1200 and not a single visitor comes from anywhere - and we say thank you sir instead of demanding our worth. Because the white guy from HP baseball definitely did it. But ours didn’t. This is the same thing. And the difference between pwis and hbcus.. we do too much asking- instead of demanding our worth. What would have been more valuable to the program is if we had the same respect as our peers and had a home and home or a neutral site game .. that’s what builds the reputation of your program. Not hand outs. And it is most certainly about dignity .. aggieswag - Me thinks you should delete this post and all others that include it. Lots of things not true, embellished, etc. #JustLookingOutForYou
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Post by aggieswag on Jul 14, 2022 19:15:33 GMT -5
I Never said we should not play the game of course I think we should play the game I’m excited about it however that is different from having a guarantee game. I am comparing us to Deleware because one they were ranked about where we were during negotiations and two the $ .. I am more than certain oiur attendance is the same out better and I am certain that our tickets cost more than theirs. So it’s a wash. It’s the mentality .. the same mentality that said accept a deal w the bank for naming rights of our stadium. Oh we are the poor little black school can you help us.. sure thing Aggies we will take your average 15k attendance all of your games that are streamed and on national tv at home, we’ll take all of your track meets where people come from all over and we will pay you 15x less than the same stadium across town that just does baseball w average attendance 1200 and not a single visitor comes from anywhere - and we say thank you sir instead of demanding our worth. Because the white guy from HP baseball definitely did it. But ours didn’t. This is the same thing. And the difference between pwis and hbcus.. we do too much asking- instead of demanding our worth. What would have been more valuable to the program is if we had the same respect as our peers and had a home and home or a neutral site game .. that’s what builds the reputation of your program. Not hand outs. And it is most certainly about dignity .. aggieswag - Me thinks you should delete this post and all others that include it. Lots of things not true, embellished, etc. #JustLookingOutForYou The truth hurts .. the only thing I was the 15x which everyone should know I was being sarcastic.. but we all know there was a gigantic difference on what BB&T paid our school and rhe HP Sally League team. The premise does not change at all. It’s a mentality and we need to change it if we are serious about being viewed and respected as equals. There is not a top 25 pwi program that would have made that deal, and I’m saying we have to demand our worth. So what if we are not on their level.. no one is. That includes Deleware who they have trounced every time home or away. And if anyone has a problem w my post invite them to read the NDSU fan forum where their fans came to the same conclusion and drew the same exact parallels w Deleware. They also stated that they would have love to come to Greensboro and improve their recruiting foot print everything in about wins and losses. Their board understands our worth more than we do .. and that’s because of mentality which you hear me say often.. .
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Post by The Professor on Jul 14, 2022 19:53:01 GMT -5
If NDSU was interested in a home and home , they would have proposed one.
NDSU rarely plays in the South or the East Coast.
I think in last 10 years they played at Townson and in that classic in Alabama
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Post by saabman on Jul 14, 2022 20:39:49 GMT -5
If NDSU was interested in a home and home , they would have proposed one. NDSU rarely plays in the South or the East Coast. I think in last 10 years they played at Townson and in that classic in Alabama Also Delaware if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by Aggie One on Jul 14, 2022 20:53:28 GMT -5
If NDSU was interested in a home and home , they would have proposed one. NDSU rarely plays in the South or the East Coast. I think in last 10 years they played at Townson and in that classic in Alabama Also Delaware if I'm not mistaken. And thoroughly dominated them in every way in their own house.
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Post by Aggie One on Jul 16, 2022 15:05:38 GMT -5
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Post by captaggie on Jul 16, 2022 20:17:27 GMT -5
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jul 16, 2022 20:28:58 GMT -5
That’s what terrifying about this game there offensive line and our smallest d-Line. I wonder if they will look at us like we are some lowly SWAC team…..I think we can surprise them on offense but the key to this game is getting the defensive off the field. 10-15 play scoring drives will wear out any defense. On the flip side I could see us scoring quickly if we stay disciplined and hold on to the ball
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Post by The Professor on Jul 16, 2022 21:30:03 GMT -5
Wow that's impressive
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Post by saabman on Jul 16, 2022 22:12:03 GMT -5
That’s what terrifying about this game there offensive line and our smallest d-Line. I wonder if they will look at us like we are some lowly SWAC team…..I think we can surprise them on offense but the key to this game is getting the defensive off the field. 10-15 play scoring drives will wear out any defense. On the flip side I could see us scoring quickly if we stay disciplined and hold on to the ball Good points, but remember scoring quickly does not give our defense time to rest and reset ( all most like a 3 and out with a score ) against a team like NDSU that likes to control the clock . They will as my grandfather world say " Slow walk you down " 😆 because they don't care if they win by 1pt or 50pt as long as they win . Don't get it twisted quick scoring has its own place if it can be maintained for all 4 quarters , but for me I'll take the team that controls the game with the clock and scores and wears team Down .
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Post by A&T-roy on Jul 16, 2022 22:12:26 GMT -5
aggieswag - Me thinks you should delete this post and all others that include it. Lots of things not true, embellished, etc. #JustLookingOutForYou The truth hurts .. the only thing I was the 15x which everyone should know I was being sarcastic.. but we all know there was a gigantic difference on what BB&T paid our school and rhe HP Sally League team. The premise does not change at all. It’s a mentality and we need to change it if we are serious about being viewed and respected as equals. There is not a top 25 pwi program that would have made that deal, and I’m saying we have to demand our worth. So what if we are not on their level.. no one is. That includes Deleware who they have trounced every time home or away. And if anyone has a problem w my post invite them to read the NDSU fan forum where their fans came to the same conclusion and drew the same exact parallels w Deleware. They also stated that they would have love to come to Greensboro and improve their recruiting foot print everything in about wins and losses. Their board understands our worth more than we do .. and that’s because of mentality which you hear me say often.. . Um, your belief that what you said is truth don't make it so. Especially when embellishing to try to make a point that's not really there. And I wasn't the only one that thought you weren't being sarcastic...see aggie2039 as another. You pointed out about how many events we have at our stadium. Any idea how many events are held at the HP stadium? Also, did you poll ALL of the top 25 pwi programs to KNOW if any of them would have done it? All that said, I have no issue with wanting to get our worth. A big point that comes up is you can "demand" all you want. That don't mean you're gonna get it. If not, what should you do...hold out or take what you can get. This I know...we're getting $100,000 a year for 15 years and that's a whole lot better than $0 a year. One more thing (for now) - Do you know the details about how it all went down (what we asked, what was offered, how the number was determined, etc.)? Concerning the NDSU fans, cool, but I don't that it means they understand our worth more than we do.
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Post by saabman on Jul 16, 2022 22:32:26 GMT -5
The truth hurts .. the only thing I was the 15x which everyone should know I was being sarcastic.. but we all know there was a gigantic difference on what BB&T paid our school and rhe HP Sally League team. The premise does not change at all. It’s a mentality and we need to change it if we are serious about being viewed and respected as equals. There is not a top 25 pwi program that would have made that deal, and I’m saying we have to demand our worth. So what if we are not on their level.. no one is. That includes Deleware who they have trounced every time home or away. And if anyone has a problem w my post invite them to read the NDSU fan forum where their fans came to the same conclusion and drew the same exact parallels w Deleware. They also stated that they would have love to come to Greensboro and improve their recruiting foot print everything in about wins and losses. Their board understands our worth more than we do .. and that’s because of mentality which you hear me say often.. . Um, your belief that what you said is truth don't make it so. Especially when embellishing to try to make a point that's not really there. And I wasn't the only one that thought you weren't being sarcastic...see aggie2039 as another. You pointed out about how many events we have at our stadium. Any idea how many events are held at the HP stadium? Also, did you poll ALL of the top 25 pwi programs to KNOW if any of them would have done it? All that said, I have no issue with wanting to get our worth. A big point that comes up is you can "demand" all you want. That don't mean you're gonna get it. If not, what should you do...hold out or take what you can get. This I know...we're getting $100,000 a year for 15 years and that's a whole lot better than $0 a year. One more thing (for now) - Do you know the details about how it all went down (what we asked, what was offered, how the number was determined, etc.)? Concerning the NDSU fans, cool, but I don't that it means they understand our worth more than we do. Trust me Roy NDSU understands our worth more so then some think 🤔 😆 I don't know if anyone has looked at it this way but , here is my take on the game . From the day this game was released I said to myself " NDSU wants to Dominate All Of FCS Football including the FCS HBCU's " they want it to be Known That there Is No Question about Who The Top Dog in FCS Football is in my opinion . Remember this game was contracted when A&T was the Top FCS HBCU Dog 🐕.
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