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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Aug 10, 2020 20:50:20 GMT -5
I wanted to see us play or at least some football but my opinion has changed it time to shut this down. It’s to many other folks that can be affected and you can not create a NBA bubble for college football. It’s just not about the players.
I get the grocery store analogy but thats a job not sure you can compare a cashier job to a college football scholarship. Plus Most grocery store cashiers here in Texas ring you up with a mask on behind a plexiglass partisan
Hopefully we will be in better place for basketball and it’s easier to keep 13-15 players under control than 65 - 100
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Aug 10, 2020 21:46:22 GMT -5
Good thing universities were not taking advice from the quackery on this site.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 11, 2020 10:22:13 GMT -5
how many college football players have "died" from covid? how many college football players have been "hospitalized" due to covid? Okay, OSA, let me say it like this...how many college football players have to be hospitalized or die before you say, "Pull the plug on the season?" That's spin you are talking...just like 45 saying the reason we have so many cases is because we do so many test/testing. If we stop testing we wouldn't have any cases. Sometimes it's not worth the risk...simple as that. i haven't made "any" comments nor expressed my opinion on whether to play college football this fall or not. ya'll keep skewing off on another tangent. again, let's stay "focused". all i've said is that there's "no statistical data" or "scientific evidence" that concludes that active college football players "will die" from covid-19, period. nobody has shown me "evidence" to the contrary. but ya'll keep going off on an entirely different tangent regarding subjects that i've never even discussed on this message board. again, let's be clear. ive never said "anything" regarding whether there should be a fall football season or not. i've only made statements regarding whether college football players "will die" from covid-19 or not...
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 11, 2020 11:07:57 GMT -5
Okay, OSA, let me say it like this...how many college football players have to be hospitalized or die before you say, "Pull the plug on the season?" That's spin you are talking...just like 45 saying the reason we have so many cases is because we do so many test/testing. If we stop testing we wouldn't have any cases. Sometimes it's not worth the risk...simple as that. i haven't made "any" comments nor expressed my opinion on whether to play college football this fall or not. ya'll keep skewing off on another tangent. again, let's stay "focused". all i've said is that there's "no statistical data" or "scientific evidence" that concludes that active college football players "will die" from covid-19, period. nobody has shown me "evidence" to the contrary. but ya'll keep going off on an entirely different tangent regarding subjects that i've never even discussed on this message board. again, let's be clear. ive never said "anything" regarding whether there should be a fall football season or not. i've only made statements regarding whether college football players "will die" from covid-19 or not... Well, I hope that this streak continues.
I hope that we continue to have no COVID deaths related to football as we continue to NOT PLAY football in 2020-2021 while this virus is running rampant.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 11, 2020 11:40:43 GMT -5
Top ACC Medical Advisor Says Football Can Be Played Safely
By Michael Smith August 11, 2020The ACC still is planning to play football in '20, and a Duke doctor who is advising the conference believes it can be done safely. Dr. Cameron Wolfe, a Duke infectious disease specialist who chairs the ACC’s medical advisory team, confidently said he expects the conference to continue its steady march toward a football season. While the unpredictable coronavirus poses a risk, Wolfe said doctors have learned enough over the last six months to understand how to manage that risk. “We believe we can mitigate it down to a level that makes everyone safe,” Wolfe told THE DAILY exclusively. “Can we safely have two teams meet on the field? I would say yes. Will it be tough? Yes. Will it be expensive and hard and lots of work? For sure. But I do believe you can sufficiently mitigate the risk of bringing COVID onto the football field or into the training room at a level that’s no different than living as a student on campus.” CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM: Wolfe’s optimism helps explain why the league has remained steadfast in its desire to play this season, while others have waffled. The Big Ten and Pac-12 reportedly are poised to postpone their seasons, while the Mountain West and MAC already have postponed fall sports, including football. As of today, the ACC is set to begin its season Sept. 12 with an 11-game schedule, although other factors could come into play, including what the other FBS conferences do. Wolfe, as chair of the ACC’s medical advisory team, has a pipeline to the conference’s leadership of Commissioner John Swofford, university presidents and ADs. What they have heard him say is that “the virus isn’t going away.” Wolfe: “We have to co-exist with COVID. I like that saying because it summarizes a reality that this virus isn’t going anywhere. Whilst it ebbs and flows, we’re not going to see it ebb to zero anytime soon.” Wolfe said he has tried “not to be cataclysmic” about COVID. “This is not Ebola,” he said. “It doesn’t have the lethality or the infectivity. So, certain mitigation efforts can be incredibly helpful. We’ve seen that in other countries -- sadly not in the United States -- where good infection control and good regimented management have allowed groups to co-exist with this virus really well.” Read more: www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2020/08/11/Colleges/ACC.aspx
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 11, 2020 15:17:12 GMT -5
Trump found some quack doctors a couple of weeks ago to say that COVID wasn't that bad and is easily curable.
The ACC can easily gather a group of doctors to say whatever they want them to say.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 11, 2020 15:27:39 GMT -5
I thought we were listening to the medical experts when it came to COVID.
Are your medical credentials suddenly better than Dr. Cameron Wolfe's?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 11, 2020 15:30:29 GMT -5
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 11, 2020 15:41:41 GMT -5
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 11, 2020 15:47:26 GMT -5
I've never said that Dr. Wolfe was a quack...and I've never met him, either.
What I said was that the ACC can always find a doctor (or doctors) to say whatever they want to get across to people...just like Trump did several days ago. I never said that every or any doctor would do that.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 11, 2020 16:00:00 GMT -5
But I posted an article about Dr. Wolfe. I could care less what Trump does.
That has nothing to do with the current topic.
Do you believe Dr. Wolfe is legitimate or do you not?
Because based on his credentials, I think he is far more knowledgeable about COVID than you or I. And he says football can still be played.
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 11, 2020 16:29:40 GMT -5
But I posted an article about Dr. Wolfe. I could care less what Trump does. That has nothing to do with the current topic. Do you believe Dr. Wolfe is legitimate or do you not? Because based on his credentials, I think he is far more knowledgeable about COVID than you or I. And he says football can still be played. I believe that he might be legitimate...but that does not make him correct in his assessment of this situation, either.
I believe that Dr. Jonathan Drezner is equally legitimate. He is far more knowledgeable about COVID than you or I. And he says football should not be played...yet.
Here are his credentials: familymedicine.uw.edu/sports-medicine/fellowship/faculty/
I could not care less about what Trump does.
Dr. Drezner feels that football/fall sports should not be played until COVID is subdued, and that we are not there yet.
But if you think that he is a quack or not legit, how about UVA's Dr. John MacKnight? He says, "We are collectively, as a sports nation, not quite ready to feel entirely comfortable with what that may look like for our young people down the line, and we are not going to put them in that situation," he said. MacKnight, who directs care for Virginia's athletes, and other school physicians are members of advisory groups that counsel universities and conferences on medical decisions..."
Here is one of the articles that discusses both of their viewpoints on COVID and athletes.
LINK: www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29633697/heart-condition-linked-covid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 11, 2020 16:57:54 GMT -5
None of those dudes you listed are as credible as my man Dr. Wolfe.
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 11, 2020 17:09:38 GMT -5
None of those dudes you listed are as credible as my man Dr. Wolfe. LOL!!
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Post by oldschool on Aug 11, 2020 17:21:38 GMT -5
Thrilla ,no matter his credentials ,no one can say with absolute certainty "football can be played safely" ,simply because no one has ever done it before under these conditions .What he is doing is simply offering his "opinion" ,not facts . Remember it took years of research to document the effects of CTE ,the awful side effects from concussions . I'm not here to disparage his credentials one way or the other ,I'm simply saying the research has not been done to make such a bold proclamation .
And yes ,if you pay somebody enough money ,they will say whatever you want them to say,lawyers use this tactic all the time with their so called "expert witnesses".Not saying that's the case here ,but it's possible .
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