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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 2, 2020 14:25:39 GMT -5
Think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not saying we need to just give the job to a new guy. I've stated before that my personal preference is that Fowler and Ifedi both get snaps next season in an oldschool platoon system.'I like what they both bring to the table.
However, I want them to earn it ... not just have the starting job handed to them because they have been in the program. I would like the staff to bring in another serious competitor and may the best man (or men) win.
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Post by trues on Jan 2, 2020 14:30:49 GMT -5
Think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not saying we need to just give the job to a new guy. I've stated before that my personal preference is that Fowler and Ifedi both get snaps next season in an oldschool platoon system.'I like what they both bring to the table. However, I want them to earn it ... not just have the starting job handed to them because they have been in the program. I would like the staff to bring in another serious competitor and may the best man (or men) win. I remember in the spring game Washington said carter is going to have the earn the QB job and he finally gave him the nod before the season started.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 2, 2020 15:06:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but Washington also said it was his job to lose and that he was the clearcut favorite.
This year I want an open competition, and hopefully whoever emerges will be an All-MEAC caliber quarterback.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 2, 2020 15:23:20 GMT -5
dude, what are you talking about? did the coaches lose the team when martin, ifedi, or banks transferred in? we've got a 4 star rb from pitt transferring in, do you think the coaches are concerned about losing the team? i'm sure the coaches explain to their players all the time that no starting job is "promised" to anybody, starting jobs are "earned". coach washington said exactly that relative to carter starting this season. so its ludicrous to suggest that our coaches should not look to upgrade our roster only because it might hurt some of our player's feelings. when broadway was here, he "publicly" stated that it was his job to bring in recruits that can push his returning players and that no starting job is "promised" to anybody. how do you think cartwright felt when the coaches signed martin? ain't no coach in their right mind gonna pass up on an outstanding recruit only because it might hurt a player's feelings, that's ludicrous. and nobody on this message board that i'm aware of has proclaimed themselves to be an "expert". folk have their own opinions and are free to express them just like you are. i dunno, perhaps you think you are an "expert" but i don't recall anybody else saying they are... You are right we all have opinions and I am voicing mine...Martin did not come in and take cartwrights starting role. I will say that Martin is the more talented of the two however Cartwright stayed the starter, coach showed loyalty to the players that have bled for the team and university. You guys are calling for the coaches to bring in a new QB to be the starter. Jalen has been in the programmed like Carter waiting to start. However that means nothing to you guys. Fowler has waited in the wings for his chance. It’s like being on a job and your boss says when he retires the position is yours, you wait 3 years ur boss retires and they bring in someone from outside the company to fill his role. What message would that send to everyone else in the company? i don't think thrilla said that, but "i" did and i stand 100% behind my "preference". it is my "opinion" that neither fowler nor ifedi are ready to be full time starters against a team like ndsu or to win another meac championship. if i'm wrong, then so be it. i've been wrong before, so it won't be the first time. but that's my "opinion". fielding the best football team that a coach can possibly field is not dictated by "loyalty". its dictated by bringing in the best talent possible for your team and then let the chips fall where they may. there should "always" be open competition for a starting job every year, period. "nobody", and i do mean "nobody", is principally more loyal than i am. might be as loyal, but not more loyal. but when it comes to athletics, loyalty is only a "tiebreaker" in my book. if one athlete is better than the other, then the better athlete should start. if they're about the same, then give "loyalty" the nod. but basically what you're saying is that the coaches should not recruit any athletes who are better athletes than what we already have. and what i'm saying is that's a good way to get your "azz kicked". in martin's first year here, he was a better athlete than cartwright as far as running the football. but that didn't make him a better "rb". martin did not secure the football as well as cartwright in his first season with us and martin could not pickup the "tough yardage" as well as cartwright in his first season with us. cartwright "earned" the starting job when martin arrived, it was not "given" to him. a coach should "NEVER" not sign a recruit who wants to come to a&t just because he's "better" than the athletes we already have. that's the most insane notion i've ever heard in my life. that's what "off seasons" are all about, that's what motivates returning players to get "better". nobody is "given" a starting job and i'm sure that every player on our team knows that. any coach who can sign better players than he already has should "NEVER" turn those recruits down. however, i would have a problem with the coaches taking a scholarship away from a returning player and giving it to a recruit but that's an entirely different story. bringing in talented recruits lets your returning players know they'd better work their azzes off during the offseason. whereas, if your returning players know that the coaches won't sign a better player, then they're less inclined to improve themselves figuring they've already got their starting job locked up...
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Post by trues on Jan 2, 2020 15:29:51 GMT -5
Yeah, but Washington also said it was his job to lose and that he was the clearcut favorite. This year I want an open competition, and hopefully whoever emerges will be an All-MEAC caliber quarterback. I agree I would love to see that. I dont think that is going to happen. Washington is saying the same thing. He talks two ways out of his mouth. He wants Fowler to earn the job but he has hinted its Fowlers job to lose. I cant remember what article I read this but he has loyalty with Fowler to what degree I think that is where most of us are disagreeing on or is debatable.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 2, 2020 15:34:26 GMT -5
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Post by trues on Jan 2, 2020 15:39:14 GMT -5
So hypothetically if Newton or Noah or Chauncey gets a scholarship from A&T do you think these guys would have a chance to be the starting QB. In other words do you think Washington would allow a open competition? If it was Broadway I would says yes but not Washington. He may go through the motion and tell us and players it is open competition but at the end of the day it is Fowler job to lose plan and simple. He knows the playbook better than anybody.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 2, 2020 15:47:49 GMT -5
So hypothetically if Newton or Noah or Chauncey gets a scholarship from A&T do you think these guys would have a chance to be the starting QB. In other words do you think Washington would allow a open competition? If it was Broadway I would says yes but not Washington. He may go through the motion and tell us and players it is open competition but at the end of the day it is Fowler job to lose plan and simple. He knows the playbook better than anybody. Chauncey and Noah could not beat out Fowler for the job, in my opinion. They could not match his arm talent. It would be an interesting battle between Fowler and Newton.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 15:51:21 GMT -5
So hypothetically if Newton or Noah or Chauncey gets a scholarship from A&T do you think these guys would have a chance to be the starting QB. In other words do you think Washington would allow a open competition? If it was Broadway I would says yes but not Washington. He may go through the motion and tell us and players it is open competition but at the end of the day it is Fowler job to lose plan and simple. He knows the playbook better than anybody. Chauncey and Noah could not beat out Fowler for the job, in my opinion. They could not match his arm talent. It would be an interesting battle between Fowler and Newton. Newton did throw a bunch of INTs at Howard.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 2, 2020 15:51:30 GMT -5
a coach should "NEVER" not sign a recruit who wants to come to a&t just because he's "better" than the athletes we already have. that's the most insane notion i've ever heard in my life. Keep in mind, 2039 is the same guy who said after the FAMU game that we should always retaliate on the field because it shows our toughness ... so you need to take anything he says with a grain of salt. lol
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Post by trues on Jan 2, 2020 15:53:54 GMT -5
Chauncey and Noah could not beat out Fowler for the job, in my opinion. They could not match his arm talent. It would be an interesting battle between Fowler and Newton. Newton did throw a bunch of INTs at Howard. Aggie Monster and I was at the NCCU/Howard game trust me his passing was overrated.
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 2, 2020 16:03:02 GMT -5
I like Fowler's arm talent but, if a defense takes his first read away then look out...sack, fumble or blindside hit. Like Thrilla says, he processes a little too slow. When you step up to play the likes of NDSU and Liberty you are looking to get killed. We already know they will make adjustments to what we do well so...I would be a bit apprehensive. Unless Fowler makes vast improvements over the next 7-8 months, I think we need to bring in another QB. By the way, I thought Hooker played a good game in the Belk bowl, hint hint.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 2, 2020 16:11:03 GMT -5
So hypothetically if Newton or Noah or Chauncey gets a scholarship from A&T do you think these guys would have a chance to be the starting QB. In other words do you think Washington would allow a open competition? If it was Broadway I would says yes but not Washington. He may go through the motion and tell us and players it is open competition but at the end of the day it is Fowler job to lose plan and simple. He knows the playbook better than anybody. Chauncey and Noah could not beat out Fowler for the job, in my opinion. They could not match his arm talent. It would be an interesting battle between Fowler and Newton. hail, i've never been impressed by chauncey. i would've picked that freshman buzzard over chauncey just like oliver did. i think noah is a better runner and as good a passer as fowler, but i wouldn't wanna bring in a qb for only one year. i'd take newton over fowler though, mainly because newton has a lot more experience than fowler. depends how well newton could pickup our offense. i think newton would perform far better with our returning players than he ever did at howard. and for those newton critics out there, ya'll gotta remember he was named the meac offensive player of the year over raynard 2 years ago. to say you'd start fowler over a former meac offensive poy makes me scratch my head...
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Post by trues on Jan 2, 2020 16:27:28 GMT -5
Chauncey and Noah could not beat out Fowler for the job, in my opinion. They could not match his arm talent. It would be an interesting battle between Fowler and Newton. hail, i've never been impressed by chauncey. i would've picked that freshman buzzard over chauncey just like oliver did. i think noah is a better runner and as good a passer as fowler, but i wouldn't wanna bring in a qb for only one year. i'd take newton over fowler though, mainly because newton has a lot more experience than fowler. depends how well newton could pickup our offense. i think newton would perform far better with our returning players than he ever did at howard. and for those newton critics out there, ya'll gotta remember he was named the meac offensive player of the year over raynard 2 years ago. to say you'd start fowler over a former meac offensive poy makes me scratch my head... >>hail, i've never been impressed by chauncey. i would've picked that freshman buzzard over chauncey just like oliver did. Thats not what happen. In the beggining of the season Oliver started Micah Zanders(jr) over Chauncey in the Austin Peay game. Zander played horrible. Later Chancey came in and drove the team to there only Touch Down. Yet Zanders continue to be the starter. After Chauncey left Zanders got hurt in the next game like he always do and they insert the freshmen Davius Richard and the rest is history
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 2, 2020 16:48:29 GMT -5
Was it not stated Newton would need to sit an additional year transferring within the conference ? If thats the case he would be nuts to go to any MEAC school including us. He played as a true freshman and played less than 4 games this year at Howard so he can use this year as a redshirt and be eligible to play this fall except maybe at another MEAC school
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