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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 7, 2019 11:57:24 GMT -5
Cultute has nothing to do with it. The SWAC folks aren't showing up because their azz is broke by the time the CB rolls around 10 days before Xmas. Magic City Classic, Bayou Classic and SWAC Championship game is too much. I challenge this because again Alcorn State had more fans than we did the first time. Yes they had the swac championship games at that was in their home stadium they didn't spend $1 fact they probably made money. It has everything to do with culture. The difference in 2015 vs. 2018 was the ticket pricing. In 2015, the max pricing at the Georgia Dome was $60. Alcorn showed up in larger numbers after playing the SWAC Championship in Houston. In 2018, the max pricing at the Mercedes Dome was $155. Alcorn showep in smaller numbers after playing the SWAC Championship at home. It's not just the ticket pricing that went up. Everything (hotels, travel, etc) has gone up. And Alcorn didn't show up. Schools that have a STEM element like Southern & Jackson St. have alums with higher aggregate incomes. Same with A&T and FAMU. Just follow the money.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 7, 2019 12:24:19 GMT -5
What HBCU doesn't have a STEM element in 2019?
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 7, 2019 12:25:41 GMT -5
I agree but i would add PV as they have engineering school that has a link and the support from Tex A&M so there kids come out at a pretty good salary. I also can tell you in the Dallas Houston area their is a large # of PV alumni in executive level positions in commercial business and particularly in State & Local Government
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Post by aggieswag on Jan 7, 2019 12:26:24 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that if you are going to get folks from Atlanta to attend and other HBCUs to attend when A&t is not in it. The ONLY way to do that is to beef up the atmosphere thru culture. They have no problem selling out the Battle of the bands in the same stadium 2 months later.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 7, 2019 12:29:59 GMT -5
What HBCU doesn't have a STEM element in 2019? Grambling & Alcorn.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 7, 2019 13:26:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 13:37:24 GMT -5
If this game was in New Orleans or Houston, the MEAC fan base would be scarce in those stadiums.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 7, 2019 13:45:30 GMT -5
I'm talking about a substantial number of STEM graduates that can make $$$ with their degrees, dawg.... not just arguing for the sake of arguing. A&T, FAMU, SU, JSU and PVA&M all have Engineering schools/colleges. We can throw Alabama A&M in there as well. Those are the ones we're talking about for this point.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 7, 2019 13:49:31 GMT -5
If this game was in New Orleans or Houston, the MEAC fan base would be scarce in those stadiums. I could see flying to NO for the weekend. Maybe Houston. But Houston wouldn't make sense, just like Washington, D.C. wouldn't make sense (if they had an indoor stadium). And I'd have to plan for it in advance. That's where the SWAC Championship game (even on campus) compromises some of their fan base. Not a lot of people live in their college towns. So they're still traveling.
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Post by saabman on Jan 7, 2019 14:06:44 GMT -5
Stem element has nothing to do with the numbers from the SWAC schools . I will bet one of my retirement checks that if the CB would have been played in Houston are Dallas the MEAC would be just a sprinkle in the crowded Stadium . This is about Regional demographics for the SWAC Dallas, , Houston , New Orleans , Oklahoma City and Little Rock are the landing spot of most SWAC fan base . That is not "low key disrespectful " That is disrespectful because it's a generalization and not a proven fact about other HBCU'S . Do not think that I'm picking sides because I would say the same thing if that statement was coming from the SWAC .
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 7, 2019 14:15:08 GMT -5
Stem element has nothing to do with the numbers from the SWAC schools . I will bet one of my retirement checks that if the CB would have been played in Houston are Dallas the MEAC would be just a sprinkle in the crowded Stadium . This is about Regional demographics for the SWAC Dallas, , Houston , New Orleans , Oklahoma City and Little Rock are the landing spot of most SWAC fan base . That is not "low key disrespectful " That is disrespectful because it's a generalization and not a proven fact about other HBCU'S . Do not think that I'm picking sides because I would say the same thing if that statement was coming from the SWAC . I laid out a set of information that we all saw... In 2015, the max pricing at the Georgia Dome was $60. Alcorn showed up in larger numbers after playing the SWAC Championship in Houston. In 2018, the max pricing at the Mercedes Dome was $155. Alcorn showep in smaller numbers after playing the SWAC Championship at home. It's not just the ticket pricing that went up. Everything (hotels, travel, etc) has gone up. And Alcorn didn't show up as well. Outside of money... give me a better why Alcorn's attendance noticeably dropped in 2018 compared to 2015? The only major variable that I see changing is cost.
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Post by saabman on Jan 7, 2019 15:30:39 GMT -5
Stem element has nothing to do with the numbers from the SWAC schools . I will bet one of my retirement checks that if the CB would have been played in Houston are Dallas the MEAC would be just a sprinkle in the crowded Stadium . This is about Regional demographics for the SWAC Dallas, , Houston , New Orleans , Oklahoma City and Little Rock are the landing spot of most SWAC fan base . That is not "low key disrespectful " That is disrespectful because it's a generalization and not a proven fact about other HBCU'S . Do not think that I'm picking sides because I would say the same thing if that statement was coming from the SWAC . I laid out a set of information that we all saw... In 2015, the max pricing at the Georgia Dome was $60. Alcorn showed up in larger numbers after playing the SWAC Championship in Houston. In 2018, the max pricing at the Mercedes Dome was $155. Alcorn showep in smaller numbers after playing the SWAC Championship at home. It's not just the ticket pricing that went up. Everything (hotels, travel, etc) has gone up. And Alcorn didn't show up as well. Outside of money... give me a better why Alcorn's attendance noticeably dropped in 2018 compared to 2015? The only major variable that I see changing is cost. I agree cost is a factor when you jump from $ 60 to a $ 155 per. Hale it would make most rational people rethink the trip with the up tick in lodging also . I will agree to disagree old friend but it would be interesting to see what it would look like if the game was moved to Houston , Dallas or New Orleans .
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 7, 2019 17:46:34 GMT -5
In this case Houston wins 5 major metropolitan areas all within 5 hours of Houston ......Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio, Austin, New Orleans. In comparison major metros 5 hours from Atlanta.....Orlando maybe Birmingham is a metro..
No comparison the amount of people in a 5 hour radius of Houston is probably triple the amount of target people in a 5 hour radius of Atlanta.
Bottom line if the Celebration Bowl was in Houston or New Orleans the attendance would be significantly better. Sure you would lose some MEAC folks but it's more SWAC people to market to plus there are more casual fans to draw from as well.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 7, 2019 18:20:36 GMT -5
In this case Houston wins 5 major metropolitan areas all within 5 hours of Houston ......Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio, Austin, New Orleans. In comparison major metros 5 hours from Atlanta.....Orlando maybe Birmingham is a metro.. No comparison the amount of people in a 5 hour radius of Houston is probably triple the amount of target people in a 5 hour radius of Atlanta. Bottom line if the Celebration Bowl was in Houston or New Orleans the attendance would be significantly better. Sure you would lose some MEAC folks but it's more SWAC people to market to plus there are more casual fans to draw from as well. Riddle me this tho: Why did the SWAC Championship Game in Houston drop from 40K in 2015 to 24K in 2016 & 2017? Alcorn & Grambling played in all 3. What changed?
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Post by aggierattler on Jan 7, 2019 19:17:22 GMT -5
In this case Houston wins 5 major metropolitan areas all within 5 hours of Houston ......Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio, Austin, New Orleans. In comparison major metros 5 hours from Atlanta.....Orlando maybe Birmingham is a metro.. No comparison the amount of people in a 5 hour radius of Houston is probably triple the amount of target people in a 5 hour radius of Atlanta. Bottom line if the Celebration Bowl was in Houston or New Orleans the attendance would be significantly better. Sure you would lose some MEAC folks but it's more SWAC people to market to plus there are more casual fans to draw from as well. Orlando is at least 6.25 hours from Atlanta. Birmingham (2.5 hours), Charlotte (3.75 hours) and Jacksonville (5 hours) are the closest large metro areas to The ATL.
But if we are going to work this in Atlanta, we've got to make some better inroads and develop better relationships with our fanbases there and get them to BUY-IN to what we are doing.
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