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Post by Gator on Apr 20, 2016 15:56:52 GMT -5
Hmmm...
Regardless of the financial situation or athletics, many African-American parents won't allow their kids to go to an HBCU. When I read the comments, "I won't let my kid go to school there," it reminds me of the hypocrisy amongst us all.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Apr 20, 2016 16:33:49 GMT -5
Some of the comments I see on this site I bet are exactly what PWI coaches and administration are saying about all HBCU's. Here's a tip, don't get too cocky. All HBCU's are just one budget cut or negative news article away from being in SC State's situation. If them Republican fools in Raleigh have their way, all of us could be marching in the streets to keep A&T open.
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Post by saabman on Apr 20, 2016 18:53:16 GMT -5
Regardless of the financial situation or athletics, many African-American parents won't allow their kids to go to an HBCU. When I read the comments, "I won't let my kid go to school there," it reminds me of the hypocrisy amongst us all.[/quote] That maybe the Truest statement made here today Gator Sad but true I have had a number of conversations on this subject with African-American and White parents . And to be honest ( this is funny but sad), A lot of the Whites or more open minded then the Blacks about there young men and women attending HBCU's on some type of Athletic scholarship because of the Educational programs that they offer then a lot of the African-Americans! They or open until that talk with there African-American friend or friends that attended HBCU's themselves that is..lol But I have been lucky to find White parents that would rather see there child on a full college scholarship playing a sport that they love and getting and excellent Education from a school that just happens to be and HBCU 8-)Some of you or going to be upset as more and more White families of athletes or realizing that HBCU's offer a quality of education that is cheaper and equal to the other schools along with offering a Scholarships to boot to there Child I'll give you and example " I had two young ladies one black/African-Americans (what ever) and the other white the SWAC's Mississippi Valley State University contacted the both of them , The Kenzie (White Kid), saw me one day out with the old lady at the Mall.lol She was so excited coming up to me with her family and began to explain to me that the family had visited MSVS and that she had excepted a scholarship there OK, one down , One to go right 8-)I asked her did Tasia (Black Kid) go on the visit with her ? That is when her Father stepped in and asked me to walk with him as the women talked OK ! He explained to me that Tasia's Mom and Dad refused to let her go on the visit at a cook out for the Soccer team 8-)He stated that they had not one good thing to say a bout the school and advised him not to let his daughter go to MVSU or any HBCU He stated to me that they loved Valley and there academic pre-Health Programs because he is a Dentist but his kid is torn between Nursing and dentistry (so it's not like He could not pay the kids way to any school)! But he could not understand why his black ok African American Friends that (attended Meharry and Howard) had only negative comments about African American institutions I had No words for him other then " many African-American parents won't allow their kids to go to an HBCU")and he could not under stand why and I jokingly said " Now you know how I feel" Kenzie is now a trauma nurse specialist in Jackson and her brother attend Valley also on a Baseball scholarship ! As for Tasia no other offers for a full scholarship came but her parents did bad mouth the Brother saying that I did not try to help there child Longwinded (I know) 8-)But the door is being opened as the word gets out that HBCU's or open and you will see in the coming years that there or going to be more Whites attending HBCU's in the more revenue generating sports on shaky ground or not Because Some of us continue to BAD MOUTH HBCU's and there programs (On the DL) and openly
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Post by Gator on Apr 21, 2016 8:19:50 GMT -5
Hmmm...
All I can say to this is that perception will continue to be influenced by opinions. Now, how credible those opinions are is another thing. But, if you are a grad of an HBCU, you should point of those who are interested in attending that those who didn't attend and make negative comments know nothing about HBCUs and what they have to offer.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 21, 2016 9:50:38 GMT -5
I'm all for calling a spade a spade (no pun intended).
If the school is being mismanaged to the point of being threatened with being shut down what positives am I supposed to put out there to cover that level of incompetence?
Folks kept trying to rescue Morris Brown from itself and other folks kept robbing the poor school blind. You ended up with kids that could've attended another hbcu not getting an education or wasting a few years of their lives chasing a degree they would never actually get through no fault of their own.
I'm not going to name any names, but if they can't do any better some hbcus simply need to close or be repurposed. And to be honest there are even more pwis in the same boat.
I do not count SC Steat among the schools that need to be closed. On the contrary, I think Steat is absolutely necessary. But as the only state hbcu in a state with a large black population there's simply no excuse for the mismanagement. They had the wrong people running the show and that's only the honest truth. I would not send my kids there at this juncture (or any juncture, but that's only because I'm an Aggie). If I wasn't an Aggie I'd still steer them clear of that one. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I'D STEER THEM CLEAR OF ALL HBCUS. Steat's problems are Steat's problems.
To me the problem comes when you attempt to lump all hbcus in as one class of colleges. Just like any other set of colleges there are different levels of hbcus. What does ECSU having problems have to do with Winston? Next to nothing. What does A&T having a top engineering program have to do with Benedict College? Nothing. So lumping all hbcus into one big ole "they're hbcus so they're all the same thing" pot isn't correct.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 21, 2016 10:41:36 GMT -5
You touched on a good point the general population tries to lump all HBCU's together and what is even more ashamed is some HBCU grads do the same. As example my sister-in law practically had a cow when her daughter wanted to attend T. My sister in law attend Shaw. I am not knocking Shaw but there is no comparison. So when they went on the college tour at T she said they were amazed how nice it was and how much the campus experience was similar to many of the large schools in NC.
To make a long store short the kid still got steered to UNCC but it was not my niece's first choice. Same thing with her brother graduated from ECU but hated it he will not even wear a ECU T-Shirt. What it boils down to are some people are caught up in thinking its sounds better around the water cooler to say my child is at UNC or ECU than it does NC A&T or NCCU.
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Post by saabman on Apr 22, 2016 1:23:23 GMT -5
You touched on a good point the general population tries to lump all HBCU's together and what is even more ashamed is some HBCU grads do the same. As example my sister-in law practically had a cow when her daughter wanted to attend T. My sister in law attend Shaw. I am not knocking Shaw but there is no comparison. So when they went on the college tour at T she said they were amazed how nice it was and how much the campus experience was similar to many of the large schools in NC. To make a long store short the kid still got steered to UNCC but it was not my niece's first choice. Same thing with her brother graduated from ECU but hated it he will not even wear a ECU T-Shirt. What it boils down to are some people are caught up in thinking its sounds better around the water cooler to say my child is at UNC or ECU than it does NC A&T or NCCU.[/quote Trust me it will come back on her one day 8-)That is why I tell all my kids/ recruits alike (Own your decision)because if you go somewhere and you don't like it I will be the first one to tell you I TOLD YOU SO and laughing at you as I walk away
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 22, 2016 9:44:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I think my question got lost in all this. This was about misinformed parents period. And while I would have let my son attend SCSU 10-15 years ago. I would not currently because of their situation. It doesn't matter if they were a PWI or HBCU. I would not allow him to attend and/or play football at ANY school that had that type of news coming out of it. Even good ol A&T.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Apr 22, 2016 11:07:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I think my question got lost in all this. This was about misinformed parents period. And while I would have let my son attend SCSU 10-15 years ago. I would not currently because of their situation. It doesn't matter if they were a PWI or HBCU. I would not allow him to attend and/or play football at ANY school that had that type of news coming out of it. Even good ol A&T. .....but again, if the struggling HBCU in question has a major your son/daughter wants, and that major is nationally accredited......what's the problem? .....SCSU football ain't gonna ever be like we were under the Fobbs years. I don't see a problem with wanting to become an SCSU Bulldog if the football program and the major a player seeks is on solid ground. I just don't believe we should shun HBCU's when they run into trouble. Now if the recruit in question wants to be an education major at SCSU, but the major ain't accredited, money has been illegally taken out of that program, and education majors aren't passing tests or getting jobs after they get their diplomas......then I wouldn't blame you one bit in staying clear of Orangeburg. When it comes to our HBCUs, I still believe in supporting them through thick and thin. Collectively, SCSU may be down, but they ain't out. If black folks don't send their kids there......THEY WILL BE DOWN AND OUT. Let's not unnecessarily contribute to their potential futility by outright shunning them.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 22, 2016 13:08:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I think my question got lost in all this. This was about misinformed parents period. And while I would have let my son attend SCSU 10-15 years ago. I would not currently because of their situation. It doesn't matter if they were a PWI or HBCU. I would not allow him to attend and/or play football at ANY school that had that type of news coming out of it. Even good ol A&T. .....but again, if the struggling HBCU in question has a major your son/daughter wants, and that major is nationally accredited......what's the problem? .....SCSU football ain't gonna ever be like we were under the Fobbs years. I don't see a problem with wanting to become an SCSU Bulldog if the football program and the major a player seeks is on solid ground. I just don't believe we should shun HBCU's when they run into trouble. Now if the recruit in question wants to be an education major at SCSU, but the major ain't accredited, money has been illegally taken out of that program, and education majors aren't passing tests or getting jobs after they get their diplomas......then I wouldn't blame you one bit in staying clear of Orangeburg. When it comes to our HBCUs, I still believe in supporting them through thick and thin. Collectively, SCSU may be down, but they ain't out. If black folks don't send their kids there......THEY WILL BE DOWN AND OUT. Let's not unnecessarily contribute to their potential futility by outright shunning them. After last years news. You got a rising senior. SCSU comes a knocking. What do you do Naborhood? And this is a hypothetical. Take A&T aout the picture. Maybe SCSU and couple of other MEAC schools and few other FCS PWI programs. You know everything there is to know about their situation. Who you got? Is SCSU in the picture? Your own flesh and blood we talking about here. Wait, first, do you have kids? And who is "shunning" HBCUs? You seem to be taking my question out of context. I'm shunning them cause they cant balance a budget, not because they are SCSU or an HBCU. I would be saying the same thing if it was Coastal Carolina or Elon, etc
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Apr 22, 2016 13:35:39 GMT -5
Maybe I don't know the all the intricacies about SCSU. All I know is they have historically kept a good football program, come hell or high water. Then I see their men's basketball team is on the upswing.
-If my son likes the campus environment -If my son's major is accredited
why should I have a problem with him choosing SCSU or any other HBCU??? I just don't see where a student's life ends if SCSU's doors were to suddenly close, based upon the scenarios/stipulations I posed.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 22, 2016 15:09:50 GMT -5
why should I have a problem with him choosing SCSU or any other HBCU??? I just don't see where a student's life ends if SCSU's doors were to suddenly close, based upon the scenarios/stipulations I posed. I have no problems with HBCUs at all. I do have a problem with sending mine to ANY university whos doors were threatened to be closed just the year before IF we have other options. Doesn't actually make good sense, but to each its own.
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Post by saabman on Apr 22, 2016 16:08:32 GMT -5
Maybe I don't know the all the intricacies about SCSU. All I know is they have historically kept a good football program, come hell or high water. Then I see their men's basketball team is on the upswing. -If my son likes the campus environment -If my son's major is accredited why should I have a problem with him choosing SCSU or any other HBCU??? I just don't see where a student's life ends if SCSU's doors were to suddenly close, based upon the scenarios/stipulations I posed. I agree NHS !
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Apr 24, 2016 7:38:22 GMT -5
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 24, 2016 9:13:51 GMT -5
Personally, I'd send my daughter elsewhere.
Point blank, my family is more important than my alma mater. If my alma mater, as much as I love it, is unable to properly prepare my child for his or her future, then my child isn't going to attend my alma mater.
I've actually steered a couple of co-workers' kids away from Ayantee. One based on his perspective major and his lack of scholastic discipline and the other based on her lack of maturity. If I ended up recommending to their parents that they attend Ayantee and the go to Ayantee and then fail to thrive, then I am in the wrong. In addition I've just bred two people who will HATE Ayantee. Those two people will most definitely share their opinions with other people. We all know a person or three who hate Ayantee even though they went there for a year or two. I'm not interested in adding to their ranks.
Now I always suggest Ayantee to people whose children are looking to major in areas where we are strong and whose children are mature enough to do well regardless of the distractions. Even the ones that don't send their kids to Ayantee speak highly of what they learn about the school after I tell them to look further into it. That's the kind of school we should want our alma mater to be. If the nursing school isn't up to par, you don't suggest the school for your kids or anyone else's until the problem is fixed, period. Same thing if the whole school wasn't up to par. But that's just one man's opinion.
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