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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 19, 2016 13:22:39 GMT -5
I wasn't sure which forum to post this in. This will be long, but bare with me..
We've talked about what influences parents and recruits to go to certain schools. We talked about the "smarts" of football parents and how much they actually know about the school recruiting their son, etc, etc. Well here's a story straight from the horse's mouth. Well, from the horses mouth to me and then to you clowns. Let me start by saying this is a single incident, but it supports my theory that MOST parents dont know jack. AND it supports my theory that parents dont know or care what is going on in the HBCU universe until after the school come knocking, so it easy to turn around things in the MEAC.
So one of my old teammates/friend/sports rival's son visited SCSU recently. Running back. I was like "congrates man, how was it?". I'm going to skip exactly what his reply was. " Blah blah blah blah blah". So I gave him a little time to brag on his son, talk about what he saw, etc, etc. So my next question was "Do you know about the financial issues they have had just recently? Be safe". His reply "Yeah, I didn't know anything, but they touched on that while we were there." He basically said they said all the right things, assured him everything was good, etc etc. So I touched on it again, "Did you go back and read what happened? Do you know how serious it was and the current status?". So at this point I could tell he had NOT by his replies.
He did not seem deterred at all by the history of what went on there. I just shook my head and let it go because this is typical sports parent behavior to me. Especially parents of kids going FCS or Mid-major for basketball. What do you guys think? Would you even consider SCSU after the recent issues?
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 19, 2016 13:45:28 GMT -5
I am not sure how you could not consider them. In football they had an acceptable year considering they had no summer program to keep the kids in summer school and in shape. We beat them on a last minute play. They are going to have a football player drafted in the second or third round. There basketball team played in the MEAC championship then played in a post season tourney. Go look at verbal commits for bball they have signed some pretty decent post (big men) talent for next year. ..At least from a major sport standpoint I dont think they have missed a step.
Now what I dont know is what has fallen by the waste side academically. If sports are an indication maybe they have held it together in the class room as well. ............
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 19, 2016 13:51:01 GMT -5
I am not sure how you could not consider them. In football they had an acceptable year considering they had no summer program to keep the kids in summer school and in shape. We beat them on a last minute play. They are going to have a football player drafted in the second or third round. There basketball team played in the MEAC championship then played in a post season tourney. Go look at verbal commits for bball they have signed some pretty decent post (big men) talent for next year. ..At least from a major sport standpoint I dont think they have missed a step. Now what I dont know is what has fallen by the waste side academically. If sports are an indication maybe they have held it together in the class room as well. ............ Thats kind of my point. Their troubles didn't seem to change almost anything. They still seem to be churning athletes in and out with no issues. I could add on "for now", but it will continue.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Apr 20, 2016 0:54:00 GMT -5
Hopefully, they will keep their meddling alumni at bay and work hard to overcome their many problems. Last year they were on the verge of being shut down by the state. How they continue to support their athletic programs is a mystery. The state is apparently propping them up.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 20, 2016 7:07:59 GMT -5
No way in hell my kid would go there. I have relatives in Orangeburg so I have a bias towards steat, but I still can't overlook the problems. I also couldn't overlook how dead Orangeburg is.
For me the most important thing would be the education. How many kids graduate, both athletes and non-athletes. If you're graduating under 50% of the general student population, don't even recruit my kids. If you have an accounting department but can't balance your dam budget, don't call us.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 20, 2016 7:36:24 GMT -5
I agree Dooms. No way mine would go there after what went down academically/financially. Your chances of going pro are minimal, so education should be the #1 priority for FCS football players. Some parents are clueless.
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Post by saabman on Apr 20, 2016 8:40:31 GMT -5
I agree Dooms. No way mine would go there after what went down academically/financially. Your chances of going pro are minimal, so education should be the #1 priority for FCS football players. Some parents are clueless. It's not that some parents or clueless Some parents let there kids come to a resolution in there mind as a result of consideration of what the Sports programs and Educational programs can offer them ! Because as I said before Media and social Media has moved the recruiting game to another level now days . The parents maybe clueless but most of the recruits have done there research to the T on the schools that or recruiting them . Trust me I use to do this for a living . And I have found that it's not the recruiter asking questions and trying to sell the program, but the recruits that or asking the questions and deciding if they should invest in your program ! Hale to me talking to a parent is a cake walk because most or clueless But the Recruits today make you bring your A game on camps visits or on in home visits with the family Now days if you really want to know what a kid thinks about a program , Bypass the parents and ask the Kid 8-)Because they may surprise you by already knowing about the Academic and Financial short falls of the schools that or on there recruitment list
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 20, 2016 9:19:56 GMT -5
That's my thing. If my kids stick with athletics to the point of being recruited I'm going to give them serious leeway into picking a school; but I'm also going to guide them and be very knowledgeable about what each school has to offer and what drawbacks there may be. I'm all for treating my kid like an adult but I also know that kids can make decisions for some very stupid reasons. I'm their daddy, which means I'm their protector. If they pick some school for all the wrong reasons and end up flunking out or transferring or with a degree that isn't worth the paper it's written on it ultimately rests on my shoulders.
I would send my kid to Winston before I'd send him/her to Steat. Division be damned, Winston has a better academic offering and a better financial standing. Now we'd probably never get along again and I would disown them but I'd do that if they went to Steat too. Lol.
Unfortunately for my kids, my loyalty to Ayantee won't allow me to accept them attending any number of rival schools.
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Post by saabman on Apr 20, 2016 10:34:14 GMT -5
That's my thing. If my kids stick with athletics to the point of being recruited I'm going to give them serious leeway into picking a school; but I'm also going to guide them and be very knowledgeable about what each school has to offer and what drawbacks there may be. I'm all for treating my kid like an adult but I also know that kids can make decisions for some very stupid reasons. I would send my kid to Winston before I'd send him/her to Steat. Division be damned, Winston has a better academic offering and a better financial standing. Now we'd probably never get along again and I would disown them but I'd do that if they went to Steat too. Lol. Unfortunately for my kids, my loyalty to Ayantee won't allow me to accept them attending any number of rival schools. That is the point Dooms You hit the nail on the head "but I'm also going to guide them and be very knowledgeable about what each school has to offer and what drawbacks there may be" You or there as a Guide and a Knowledgeable advisor so that they or informed (but not as a enforcer ) "I'm all for treating my kid like an adult but I also know that kids can make decisions for some very stupid reasons" But by you being there and Guiding him/her each step of the way their chances of making a Stupid Decision or Decisions or minimal at best 8-)A lot of parents or not as clueless as others my think Because they have provided the pertinent information about the schools and there backgrounds in Academics, Athletics and Physical Financial standings 8-)But when talking to others around there child they keep things closed vested but to others on the outside looking in you could be called Clueless Because you or allowing your Son/Daughter to make one of the most important Decisions in their young life's Because as I have said before to recruits and to parents specking at work shops " IN THE END YOUR CHILD WILL HAVE TO OWN THERE DECISION WHEN THEY DISIDE WHERE THEY OR GOING TO ATTEND SCHOOL OR WHERE THEY OR GOING TO PLAY SPORTS"
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Apr 20, 2016 11:16:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately, many HBCUs are struggling. I just don't think this is the time to jump ship on them. As far as SCSU is concerned, they were/are in dire straits. However, their football program isn't. If things completely crumble at SCSU, this recruit (if he is good enough), should be able to get on at another school.
From an academic standpoint, if the department of the major he chooses is in good standing (ie. it's accredited), then even if the entire school crumbles, I would think his hours in that particular major would transfer over to another university.
I'll be the first to admit, I don't know how classes, hours, transcripts go from one school to another......but for an accredited program at SCSU, I think a student could land on his feet elsewhere if SCSU implodes.
I know some good people who've graduated from SCSU, including family. Are there some idiots and crooks who have brought SCSU down - yes. Nevertheless, the mission of their school is the same as ours and they have graduated many young black men and women. I just don't believe in turning your back away from a fellow HBCU during their times of need.....and frankly, from a football perspective only, SCSU is still a legitimate measuring stick and reputable program.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 20, 2016 11:18:26 GMT -5
17 year olds dont know whats good for them. Parents needs to force issues. If they are not they are not doing their kids any favors. Damn owning a decision. Thats a mistake too many black folks make all the time. Save your kid from themselves. Dont let them put themselves and bad situation because you think it is their decision to make. It is not, they dont know jack yet. Protect your kids.
They cant tell when they are being fed crap from a snake oil salesman. They aint did the homework. They really dont know the benefits of the school vs just looking at the football team(or any other sport). Yes, the example was about SCSU, but the general lesson here is that parents are not really involved, dont care as long as its free, and actually know very little about these places thats trying to get their kids. My point is that a school that almost CLOSED should be struggling to get a 1 start athlete, let alone a 3 star.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 20, 2016 11:36:14 GMT -5
17 year olds dont know whats good for them. Parents needs to force issues. If they are not they are not doing their kids any favors. Damn owning a decision. Thats a mistake too many black folks make all the time. Save your kid from themselves. Dont let them put themselves and bad situation because you think it is their decision to make. It is not, they dont know jack yet. Protect your kids. They cant tell when they are being fed crap from a snake oil salesman. They aint did the homework. They really dont know the benefits of the school vs just looking at the football team(or any other sport). Yes, the example was about SCSU, but the general lesson here is that parents are not really involved, dont care as long as its free, and actually know very little about these places thats trying to get their kids. My point is that a school that almost CLOSED should be struggling to get a 1 start athlete, let alone a 3 star. you hit the nail on the head. i’d be willing to bet that the parents you’re referring to do not know the entire story regarding scsu’s struggles. we hbcu diehards know a lot more about things like that because we follow fellow hbcu’s almost every day. but for folks who don’t? most of them don’t even have a clue and ya know darn well buddy ain’t gone tell them. for you to give them a few tips on scsu’s situation is one thing. but if they had read the numerous articles that we’ve read on scsu’s situation, i bet they’d have second thoughts. especially if the kid has several more options to choose from...
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Post by saabman on Apr 20, 2016 11:38:36 GMT -5
17 year olds dont know whats good for them. Parents needs to force issues. If they are not they are not doing their kids any favors. Damn owning a decision. Thats a mistake too many black folks make all the time. Save your kid from themselves. Dont let them put themselves and bad situation because you think it is their decision to make. It is not, they dont know jack yet. Protect your kids. They cant tell when they are being fed crap from a snake oil salesman. They aint did the homework. They really dont know the benefits of the school vs just looking at the football team(or any other sport). Yes, the example was about SCSU, but the general lesson here is that parents are not really involved, dont care as long as its free, and actually know very little about these places thats trying to get their kids. My point is that a school that almost CLOSED should be struggling to get a 1 start athlete, let alone a 3 star. That is not what Dooms and I were talking about Reread and get back to me
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Post by saabman on Apr 20, 2016 11:44:19 GMT -5
17 year olds dont know whats good for them. Parents needs to force issues. If they are not they are not doing their kids any favors. Damn owning a decision. Thats a mistake too many black folks make all the time. Save your kid from themselves. Dont let them put themselves and bad situation because you think it is their decision to make. It is not, they dont know jack yet. Protect your kids. They cant tell when they are being fed crap from a snake oil salesman. They aint did the homework. They really dont know the benefits of the school vs just looking at the football team(or any other sport). Yes, the example was about SCSU, but the general lesson here is that parents are not really involved, dont care as long as its free, and actually know very little about these places thats trying to get their kids. My point is that a school that almost CLOSED should be struggling to get a 1 start athlete, let alone a 3 star. you hit the nail on the head. i’d be willing to bet that the parents you’re referring to do not know the entire story regarding scsu’s struggles. we hbcu diehards know a lot more about things like that because we follow fellow hbcu’s almost every day. but for folks who don’t? most of them don’t even have a clue and ya know darn well buddy ain’t gone tell them. for you to give them a few tips on scsu’s situation is one thing. but if they had read the numerous articles that we’ve read on scsu’s situation, i bet they’d have second thoughts. especially if the kid has several more options to choose from... Not a few tips on any schools situation Guide them and Advise them each step of the way That is the point Dooms You hit the nail on the head "but I'm also going to guide them and be very knowledgeable about what each school has to offer and what drawbacks there may be" You or there as a Guide and a Knowledgeable advisor so that they or informed (but not as a enforcer ) "I'm all for treating my kid like an adult but I also know that kids can make decisions for some very stupid reasons" But by you being there and Guiding him/her each step of the way their chances of making a Stupid Decision or Decisions or minimal at best 8-)A lot of parents or not as clueless as others my think Because they have provided the pertinent information about the schools and there backgrounds in Academics, Athletics and Physical Financial standings 8-)But when talking to others around there child they keep things closed vested but to others on the outside looking in you could be called Clueless Because you or allowing your Son/Daughter to make one of the most important Decisions in their young life's Because as I have said before to recruits and to parents specking at work shops " IN THE END YOUR CHILD WILL HAVE TO OWN THERE DECISION WHEN THEY DISIDE WHERE THEY OR GOING TO ATTEND SCHOOL OR WHERE THEY OR GOING TO PLAY SPORTS"
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 20, 2016 13:15:29 GMT -5
17 year olds dont know whats good for them. Parents needs to force issues. If they are not they are not doing their kids any favors. Damn owning a decision. Thats a mistake too many black folks make all the time. Save your kid from themselves. Dont let them put themselves and bad situation because you think it is their decision to make. It is not, they dont know jack yet. Protect your kids. They cant tell when they are being fed crap from a snake oil salesman. They aint did the homework. They really dont know the benefits of the school vs just looking at the football team(or any other sport). Yes, the example was about SCSU, but the general lesson here is that parents are not really involved, dont care as long as its free, and actually know very little about these places thats trying to get their kids. My point is that a school that almost CLOSED should be struggling to get a 1 start athlete, let alone a 3 star. That is not what Dooms and I were talking about Reread and get back to me I get what your saying Saabman, but you also have to remember that we are coming at this issue from 2 different sides. Your coming at it from the college side mostly. I've always been involved from the high school side. Any parent you talk to is probably already doing exactly what you talked about. The parents I talk to, only half are doing what you talked about. Just two different experiences. We agree on how they should be making the decision.
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