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Post by Brandmasta on Mar 20, 2015 8:23:15 GMT -5
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Post by aggieclt on Mar 20, 2015 10:04:13 GMT -5
What do our current football players think about this Celebration Bowl? Would they rather win the conference and then make the playoffs while not being on TV (with the chance of winning the national championship)? Or would they rather win the conference, participate in this bowl and be on TV with the chance to 'win' something? What do we tell recruits? Will this Celebration Bowl dissuade recruits from attending A&T? I'd like to know the thoughts of our current & future players.
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 20, 2015 10:17:32 GMT -5
Depends on the kid I believe.
Honestly, we have a chance to go to a bowl game and win it. A strong chance. We have never had a chance to win the national championship. We have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a playoff game.
Which one sells better to you?
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Post by aggieclt on Mar 20, 2015 10:18:32 GMT -5
1) Though not a fan of the bowl, do you all really think the Southern and Big South Conferences would turn down a bowl game on ESPN if such a proposition was given to them? I'm not a fan of the segregation bowl......but I have yet to hear any other FCS conferences be given an opportunity to showcase their best in a bowl game. I AGREE. DEFINITELY A FAN OF THE SOUL BOWL. BUT DO YOU THINK IF THE CIAA BASKETBALL TOURNEY WOULD TURN THIS DOWN FROM ESPN? 2) I said this months back......no one really cares about FCS playoff football. It doesn't move the television meter. If it did, every single game, from beginning to end, would be on TV......like what the case is with every single FBS bowl game and the new FBS playoffs. I CONCUR. HOW CAN OUR BRAND BE MARKETED WELL IF THE FCS GAMES ARE ONLY INTERNET-STREAMED ON ESPN3? 3) The monetary losses FCS programs have accrued from the playoffs are well-known. How much are conferences like the Ohio Valley, Big South, Colonial, Southland really benefitting from the FCS playoffs??? PRIDE - CHEST BEATING. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS BUT THESE PLAYOFFS SEEMINGLY BENEFIT ONLY THE NCAA. There are sooooo many negatives with the FCS playoffs. Sooner or later, I truly wonder if more and more FCS teams are gonna get fed up with having to pay to host playoff games, week after week after week. With more athletic programs losing money, sooner or later the powers-that-be at FCS institutions are going to have to weigh if the financial disadvantages are worth continuing to particpate in the antequated (my opinion) FCS playoff model. I want to always test myself against the best teams around. But really, FCS football ISN'T TOP-NOTCHED FOOTBALL. If we can schedule William and Mary, James Madison, Coastal Carolina, and Liberty in our regular season, play the MEAC regular season, have an MEAC championship game and finish the year with the Segregation Bowl.....this realistically may give us the best of all worlds, with respect to competion, financial benefits, and publicity. Believe me, I freakin' hate losing in the playoffs. I hate looking as if we don't belong. But damn, the FCS playoffs just ain't attention-grabbing. Many folks don't know North Dakota St is a 4-time champion. Many folks don't know it was Illinois State they played against in the championship game. Many folks don't know who North Dakota St beat during their 4 years of playoff runs. SIMILARLY, IF A&T WON THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, WHO WOULD KNOW OTHER THAN US AGGIES AND FOLKS IN THE TRIAD??? -OOC regular season games vs legit FCS/FBS competition -Divisions in the MEAC -MEAC title game -Segregation Bowl This realistically may be the best roadmap for Aggie football prosperity......as well as prosperity for other MEAC schools. I LIKE THE ROAD MAP ABOVE. WOULD COMMISSIONER THOMAS SEE IT THAT WAY? I agree with a post Aggie One made a month or so ago. I'd be surprised if A&T were still in the MEAC 4 - 5 years from now.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Mar 20, 2015 10:33:37 GMT -5
What do our current football players think about this Celebration Bowl? Would they rather win the conference and then make the playoffs while not being on TV (with the chance of winning the national championship)? Or would they rather win the conference, participate in this bowl and be on TV with the chance to 'win' something? What do we tell recruits? Will this Celebration Bowl dissuade recruits from attending A&T? I'd like to know the thoughts of our current & future players. What did we tell recruits the past 40 years? You are going to play a bunch of HBCU schools and maybe at the end of the season you'll get beat to hell by a better funded PWI program. Now let me hear you say Aggie Pride! These kids want two things...to play and to win. If given the choice of playing South Dakota State in Nowhereville, Dakota or Southern in Atlanta on ESPN, I bet they pick the CelebratioNeed Bowl.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 20, 2015 10:41:54 GMT -5
Well it finally happened... I've been on this site so long I'm starting to actually agree with naborhoodsuperstar! Oh don't get me wrong, in a normal day I disagree with him on about everything he posts but lately, I'm finding lots of wisdom in his posts. I agree 99% with his recent post about the FCS and the opportunities we may have in this bowl. Several months ago he was on a rant about A&T not really taking the FCS Playoff serious and investing money and focus on trying to make a serious run in the playoff. He argued that if we were serious about the FCS Playoff we had to step forward and host a game...and then win it. (*Not his direct quotes but paraphrased) But I think he finally realized that we, like all the other MEAC schools really are not seriously committed to winning the FCS Championship. I believe Broadway would like it but I don't think the University is fully committed to investing that much money and resources to win it. So if you're only going to make a cameo appearance once in a while, the FCS Playoff is a money loser. Oh and the only thing I disagree with him on is calling it the "segregation bowl." If Villanova (a catholic college) scheduled a game with Georgetown (another catholic college), I bet their fans wouldn't be upset because they were playing each other. I'm with NSS, the FCS wasn't working for us (the way we were approaching it) and it was time to try something else. And naborhoodsuperstar, keep those brilliant posts coming. The brilliant posts have always been there.....you're just finally catching up to speed......
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Post by DECKS on Mar 20, 2015 10:48:49 GMT -5
We won't get 30k in the Ga Dome unless the SWAC school brings the numbers. Heck, we barely got 20k in the Ga Dome to see our game vs SCSU and most of the folks were their fans. I'm actually hoping we finish in second place with a good enough record for an at-large berth.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 20, 2015 10:53:06 GMT -5
We won't get 30k in the Ga Dome unless the SWAC school brings the numbers. Heck, we barely got 20k in the Ga Dome to see our game vs SCSU and most of the folks were their fans. I'm actually hoping we finish in second place with a good enough record for an at-large berth. Why though? You would rather go see us lose to a playoff team(dont fool yourself, if we finish 2nd in the MEAC it will be a L in the 1st round) than go play for a bowl championship with a good chance of winning?
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 20, 2015 10:57:01 GMT -5
I'm curious. Who on here that's complaining about this bowl really thinks we'd get past the first round of the playoffs if we played any non-hbcu? I mean ever.
I'm not for the bowl myself, but I ain't against it either. Makes logical and financial sense, but so do a few other solutions.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Mar 20, 2015 11:01:13 GMT -5
I think the biggest issue with this is the removal of the right of choice when it comes competing either in the Legacy Bowl or the playoffs.
Just because the SWAC sold their right of choice down the river for their teams didn't mean that it was right for the MEAC to do the same. Whatever happens next with the MEAC (good or bad) falls squarely on the shoulders of Dennis Thomas and the MEAC office for taking away that right.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Mar 20, 2015 11:09:22 GMT -5
I'm curious. Who on here that's complaining about this bowl really thinks we'd get past the first round of the playoffs if we played any non-hbcu? I mean ever. I'm not for the bowl myself, but I ain't against it either. Makes logical and financial sense, but so do a few other solutions. I do. I think the staff is there. With a full compliment of 63 scholarships finally being used, the depth of talent is there. With an increase in the out-of-state enrollment cap, continued increases in AAF and the re-organization of the entire Development division with Ken Sigmon and his group... the money will be there. I'm not saying that the Bowl itself is bad. I'm saying that taking the AQ choice away from us is bad when we're on the cusp of being where we want to be in year 5 of the re-build. And that's the sore spot with this for me.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 20, 2015 11:26:17 GMT -5
What do our current football players think about this Celebration Bowl? Would they rather win the conference and then make the playoffs while not being on TV (with the chance of winning the national championship)? Or would they rather win the conference, participate in this bowl and be on TV with the chance to 'win' something? What do we tell recruits? Will this Celebration Bowl dissuade recruits from attending A&T? I'd like to know the thoughts of our current & future players. What did we tell recruits the past 40 years? You are going to play a bunch of HBCU schools and maybe at the end of the season you'll get beat to hell by a better funded PWI program. Now let me hear you say Aggie Pride! These kids want two things...to play and to win. If given the choice of playing South Dakota State in Nowhereville, Dakota or Southern in Atlanta on ESPN, I bet they pick the CelebratioNeed Bowl. i hear what you're saying, but i disagree. i’m around high school players almost every day and i can tell you for a “fact” that the college they choose to play at is often times judged by their peers as “status symbols”, just like the guy down the street who drives a benz only as a “status symbol”. i’ve had basketball players who i have coached in high school who got numerous offers from d2 schools, but they turned down all of those offers and held out for a d1 school just because they wanted the “status symbol” that says you’re good enough to play at the d1 level. it may sound simple minded to those who do not interact with high school athletes very often, but i’m tellin’ ya, kids look at things like that. now, does that mean a&t will lose out on recruits because we are no longer a part of the fcs playoffs? no, not necessarily. but there is “concrete evidence” that the swac “declined” in football almost immediately after they pulled out of the fcs playoffs. most of you old heads know that the swac use to completely “dominate” the meac in football prior to the swac pulling out of the playoffs and the word “dominate” is probably an understatement. the meac couldn’t touch the swac in football back in the day! but look at the swac now? ever since they pulled out of the playoffs in the late 90’s, the meac has pretty much had its way against swac teams in “head to head” competition. right now, the meac leads the meac/swac challenge 8 wins to the swac’s 2 wins. and most of the meac’s wins were “blowouts”, including our aggies win over alabama a&m 47-13 on national tv last season . even regular season matchups between the meac and the swac favors the meac. i mean, this would’ve been “unheard of” back in the day before the swac pulled out of the playoffs. did swac football decline? or did meac football improve? or could it be both? my “personal theory” is that both happened. i think the reason it happened is twofold. 1 – the meac had a higher bar, so our coaches strived to excel at the national level while the swac only strived to be the best hbcu in the swac. the “quitter bowl” will lower the bar to the swac’s level for the meac. i’m predicting that the meac’s dominance over the swac will now come to an end. 2 – i think meac coaches “more aggressively” went after better talent than the swac because we had a higher bar to get over. meac coaches were bending over backwards trying to win a playoff game, swac coaches were just trying to be the best team in the swac. by default, i think indeed a selling point for our coaches was to tell recruits they had an opportunity to play against the best in the playoffs. so i beg to differ on the ideal that most of our athletes rather play a swac team in a bowl game just to be on tv over playing in the playoffs. why? because many of these guys have their eyes on playing at the next level and to prepare for the next level, guys have to compete against “the best”...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 20, 2015 11:45:08 GMT -5
I still haven't heard anyone say that we cannot participate in both the FCS playoffs and the bowl game........the bowl game's on Dec 19th. Mutiple rounds of playoff games will have occurred before the game hits the schedule. Furthermore, there are multiple weeks between the semifinals and finals of the FCS playoffs.
Looking at the North Dakota St schedule last year, the semifinals were played on Dec 19th, while the finals were played on Jan 10th. I do believe there should be a way where this bowl game could be scheduled in the 3-week period between the FCS semi and final games.
Theoretically, we could have our cake and eat it, too......
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Post by saabman on Mar 20, 2015 11:59:09 GMT -5
What did we tell recruits the past 40 years? You are going to play a bunch of HBCU schools and maybe at the end of the season you'll get beat to hell by a better funded PWI program. Now let me hear you say Aggie Pride! These kids want two things...to play and to win. If given the choice of playing South Dakota State in Nowhereville, Dakota or Southern in Atlanta on ESPN, I bet they pick the CelebratioNeed Bowl. i hear what you're saying, but i disagree. i’m around high school players almost every day and i can tell you for a “fact” that the college they choose to play at is often times judged by their peers as “status symbols”, just like the guy down the street who drives a benz only as a “status symbol”. i’ve had basketball players who i have coached in high school who got numerous offers from d2 schools, but they turned down all of those offers and held out for a d1 school just because they wanted the “status symbol” that says you’re good enough to play at the d1 level. it may sound simple minded to those who do not interact with high school athletes very often, but i’m tellin’ ya, kids look at things like that. now, does that mean a&t will lose out on recruits because we are no longer a part of the fcs playoffs? no, not necessarily. but there is “concrete evidence” that the swac “declined” in football almost immediately after they pulled out of the fcs playoffs. most of you old heads know that the swac use to completely “dominate” the meac in football prior to the swac pulling out of the playoffs and the word “dominate” is probably an understatement. the meac couldn’t touch the swac in football back in the day! but look at the swac now? ever since they pulled out of the playoffs in the late 90’s, the meac has pretty much had its way against swac teams in “head to head” competition. right now, the meac leads the meac/swac challenge 8 wins to the swac’s 2 wins. and most of the meac’s wins were “blowouts”, including our aggies win over alabama a&m 47-13 on national tv last season . even regular season matchups between the meac and the swac favors the meac. i mean, this would’ve been “unheard of” back in the day before the swac pulled out of the playoffs. did swac football decline? or did meac football improve? or could it be both? my “personal theory” is that both happened. i think the reason it happened is twofold. 1 – the meac had a higher bar, so our coaches strived to excel at the national level while the swac only strived to be the best hbcu in the swac. the “quitter bowl” will lower the bar to the swac’s level for the meac. i’m predicting that the meac’s dominance over the swac will now come to an end. 2 – i think meac coaches “more aggressively” went after better talent than the swac because we had a higher bar to get over. meac coaches were bending over backwards trying to win a playoff game, swac coaches were just trying to be the best team in the swac. by default, i think indeed a selling point for our coaches was to tell recruits they had an opportunity to play against the best in the playoffs. so i beg to differ on the ideal that most of our athletes rather play a swac team in a bowl game just to be on tv over playing in the playoffs. why? because many of these guys have their eyes on playing at the next level and to prepare for the next level, guys have to compete against “the best”... OSA I have to disagree . I think the SWAC pulled out of the playoffs because the saw that the landscape had changed in favor of the bigger well funded white schools in their region. If you look at it you will see that. You have a number of schools in La that either didn't have football or we're just starting football with well funded programs. That dip into there recruiting pool. they just have to forsyth to see what was coming.
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Post by aggies704 on Mar 20, 2015 12:00:27 GMT -5
I'm curious. Who on here that's complaining about this bowl really thinks we'd get past the first round of the playoffs if we played any non-hbcu? I mean ever. I'm not for the bowl myself, but I ain't against it either. Makes logical and financial sense, but so do a few other lsolutions. I truly believe we can because if we don't why play the game and as a matter of fact come this September when I walk into Chapel Hill I am going to have the faith that we can win so why not any other team Aggie Pride
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