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Post by Aggie One on Dec 22, 2014 8:41:36 GMT -5
It is and has been for the last couple of years. We won't stay in the MEAC if this "championship" game prohibits us from participating in the FCS playoffs. Even if it does not, it would surprise me if we are still members of the MEAC by 2018.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 22, 2014 11:01:13 GMT -5
i'm not up to speed on this, been too busy working games and haven't been online very much. all i know is if we're pulling out of the playoffs, i'm totally 100% against it! i don't care if we haven't won a playoff game since '99. i don't wanna be "segregated" from all other fcs schools and most of all, i'm not a "QUITTER".
i've said this in the past and i'll say it again, i rather lose an fcs playoff game than win a postseason bowl game against the swac. i've never wanted to pull out of the meac and still don't. but if we're heading down the road that's being rumored, then i'm all for leaving the meac for another conference...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 22, 2014 11:24:17 GMT -5
I think there needs to be some clear delineations made:
1) Do folks want us to be able to compete in the FCS playoffs?
2) Do folks want us to be able to win an FCS playoff game?
3) Do folks want the Heritage Bowl?
If you choose option #1, then you are happy with how things are currently..... If you choose option #2, then you at least have to make sure we're putting in a bid for a first round game..... If you choose option #3, then you really don't care about the playoffs at all. You also may be intrigued by the financial package the game may be able to provide.
Personally, I want to not just compete, but win, in the FCS playoffs. I just have a hard time believing our chances are good of winning 1st round games if we're travelling to another team's place to win. It's not impossible, but unlikely. Frankly, I'll travel anywhere to see our team play in the playoffs.......BUT IF WE TRULY WANT TO ENHANCE OUR CHANCES OF PLAYOFF SUCCESS.......WE HAVE TO PAY THE NCAA FEES!!!
If Hilton and other decision makers aren't comfortable with this, we really need to re-evaluate what our football goals really are....and that's why the first 3 questions/options I put up really need to be seriously discussed. Hilton and administrators need to be upfront with what they truly envision for our football program beyond the MEAC regular season.....
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Post by aggieclt on Dec 22, 2014 11:57:59 GMT -5
So, if this game was contested this year, it would have been Alcorn St. vs. Morgan State??? It MUST be about television ratings because it surely won't be about gate proceeds........
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 22, 2014 12:24:06 GMT -5
I said this earlier, I really don't know what impact this change will have on A&T, the MEAC or HBCU football but ... in my 45 years of following A&T football, I have attended 4 playoff games. That's probably 4 more than the average MEAC fan has attended. Three games A&T played in and the SC State vs. Furman game two years ago. We lost all four games by wide margins if I remember correctly. I went to all the games out of loyalty for A&T and the MEAC, not because I was excited to be in the playoff. NSS is right to ask the question, do we really care about the FCS playoff? Oh sure the football heads on this site think the world as we know it will end if we don't win an FCS playoff game but to the "average" MEAC football fan, do they care? They obvious don't care enough to travel to playoff games to see the team play and they don't talk about the FCS playoff in the offseason. Ask the average MEAC football fan what MEAC team went to the FCS playoff or even how the FCS playoff works and they will give you a blank stare. Just because the bulk of MEAC fans don't care about the FCS playoff is no reason to dump it but it is some indication that to them it is not important. And if it's not important to our fans, how important should it be to the MEAC universities?
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Post by saabman on Dec 22, 2014 12:40:32 GMT -5
I think there needs to be some clear delineations made: 1) Do folks want us to be able to compete in the FCS playoffs? 2) Do folks want us to be able to win an FCS playoff game? 3) Do folks want the Heritage Bowl? If you choose option #1, then you are happy with how things are currently..... If you choose option #2, then you at least have to make sure we're putting in a bid for a first round game..... If you choose option #3, then you really don't care about the playoffs at all. You also may be intrigued by the financial package the game may be able to provide. Personally, I want to not just compete, but win, in the FCS playoffs. I just have a hard time believing our chances are good of winning 1st round games if we're travelling to another team's place to win. It's not impossible, but unlikely. Frankly, I'll travel anywhere to see our team play in the playoffs.......BUT IF WE TRULY WANT TO ENHANCE OUR CHANCES OF PLAYOFF SUCCESS.......WE HAVE TO PAY THE NCAA FEES!!! If Hilton and other decision makers aren't comfortable with this, we really need to re-evaluate what our football goals really are....and that's why the first 3 questions/options I put up really need to be seriously discussed. Hilton and administrators need to be upfront with what they truly envision for our football program beyond the MEAC regular season..... Keep it coming NHSS. Your right and we need more information from the powers that be. Look this hold thing is one big cluster F-;;;---k. Hilton and the administration are not as fourth coming with the information about the how's and why's of this deal. Again I say there is more to this then just a bowl game. I also feel that leaving the MEAC is not going to make things any better if we are not going to go all in with funding in A&T's athletic as NHSS has stated already.
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Post by aggierattler on Dec 22, 2014 12:44:07 GMT -5
i'm not up to speed on this, been too busy working games and haven't been online very much. all i know is if we're pulling out of the playoffs, i'm totally 100% against it! i don't care if we haven't won a playoff game since '99. i don't wanna be "segregated" from all other fcs schools and most of all, i'm not a "QUITTER". i've said this in the past and i'll say it again, i rather lose an fcs playoff game than win a postseason bowl game against the swac. i've never wanted to pull out of the meac and still don't. but if we're heading down the road that's being rumored, then i'm all for leaving the meac for another conference... You and I are certainly in the minority on this issue, OSA. It seems like most posters here really have just a passing interest in this and don't care if we are blindly being led back into the JIM CROW ERA. We've fought too hard to get "inclusion," even though we are still working at a disadvantage. Since 1980, progress has been made...and now we want to give it up for a few pieces of silver. I'm at a loss for words from the posts that I've seen here. But that's not going to keep me from voicing my intense opposition to this game.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Dec 22, 2014 12:46:58 GMT -5
Less typing...more giving. That's the only thing that is keeping us away from being a true D1 contender. Everyone is doing their part except for the Alumni.
We are holding us back. We are s major part of the current dilemma.
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Post by aggierattler on Dec 22, 2014 12:52:31 GMT -5
I think there needs to be some clear delineations made: 1) Do folks want us to be able to compete in the FCS playoffs? 2) Do folks want us to be able to win an FCS playoff game? 3) Do folks want the Heritage Bowl? If you choose option #1, then you are happy with how things are currently..... If you choose option #2, then you at least have to make sure we're putting in a bid for a first round game..... If you choose option #3, then you really don't care about the playoffs at all. You also may be intrigued by the financial package the game may be able to provide. Personally, I want to not just compete, but win, in the FCS playoffs. I just have a hard time believing our chances are good of winning 1st round games if we're travelling to another team's place to win. It's not impossible, but unlikely. Frankly, I'll travel anywhere to see our team play in the playoffs.......BUT IF WE TRULY WANT TO ENHANCE OUR CHANCES OF PLAYOFF SUCCESS.......WE HAVE TO PAY THE NCAA FEES!!!
If Hilton and other decision makers aren't comfortable with this, we really need to re-evaluate what our football goals really are....and that's why the first 3 questions/options I put up really need to be seriously discussed. Hilton and administrators need to be upfront with what they truly envision for our football program beyond the MEAC regular season..... NSS-- You say all of this, but your bottom line is WE SHOULD JUST QUIT?? That still makes absolutely no sense to me...especially coming from you, of all people. I'm glad that MLK, Medgar Evers or the Greensboro Four didn't feel the way that you do. There are probably hundreds of things that we should do...but QUITTING ain't one of them!
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Post by saabman on Dec 22, 2014 12:53:10 GMT -5
I said this earlier, I really don't know what impact this change will have on A&T, the MEAC or HBCU football but ... in my 45 years of following A&T football, I have attended 4 playoff games. That's probably 4 more than the average MEAC fan has attended. Three games A&T played in and the SC State vs. Furman game two years ago. We lost all four games by wide margins if I remember correctly. I went to all the games out of loyalty for A&T and the MEAC, not because I was excited to be in the playoff. NSS is right to ask the question, do we really care about the FCS playoff? Oh sure the football heads on this site think the world as we know it will end if we don't win an FCS playoff game but to the "average" MEAC football fan, do they care? They obvious don't care enough to travel to playoff games to see the team play and they don't talk about the FCS playoff in the offseason. Ask the average MEAC football fan what MEAC team went to the FCS playoff or even how the FCS playoff works and they will give you a blank stare. Just because the bulk of MEAC fans don't care about the FCS playoff is no reason to dump it but it is some indication that to them it is not important. And if it's not important to our fans, how important should it be to the MEAC universities? Hear. Hear. Your statement is truthful. And I will say it most MEAC fans do not give one D cent about the FCS playoff. HELL most don't give a D about there own teams. We played on ESPN and we could not feel Aggie stadium and you think the fans would give a Flip about a FCS playoff game please !
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Post by aggierattler on Dec 22, 2014 12:57:12 GMT -5
Less typing...more giving. That's the only thing that is keeping us away from being a true D1 contender. Everyone is doing their part except for the Alumni. We are holding us back. We are s major part of the current dilemma. E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!!
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 22, 2014 13:05:32 GMT -5
100 percent with oldschool as i said before let the meac team that does not make fcs playoffs play go to this bowl game .....then its a win all around. i dont think the swac would give a hoot if their swac champ had played us this year cause morgan went to the playoffs....while understand were we are as a confernce we are in a better position than the swac..
Lastly a move to the southern conference would be great we still could play central every year a fbs team and rotate years with sc state, famu, howard etc. Look at this way there is no disadvantage from a monetary standpoint if we have a home game against Wofford or Sav State, DSU, Morgan etc all of them will bring just a few fans...Seems to me tenn state has done well and been able to keep those important hbcu games with famu southern jackson st
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Post by saabman on Dec 22, 2014 13:11:43 GMT -5
I think there needs to be some clear delineations made: 1) Do folks want us to be able to compete in the FCS playoffs? 2) Do folks want us to be able to win an FCS playoff game? 3) Do folks want the Heritage Bowl? If you choose option #1, then you are happy with how things are currently..... If you choose option #2, then you at least have to make sure we're putting in a bid for a first round game..... If you choose option #3, then you really don't care about the playoffs at all. You also may be intrigued by the financial package the game may be able to provide. Personally, I want to not just compete, but win, in the FCS playoffs. I just have a hard time believing our chances are good of winning 1st round games if we're travelling to another team's place to win. It's not impossible, but unlikely. Frankly, I'll travel anywhere to see our team play in the playoffs.......BUT IF WE TRULY WANT TO ENHANCE OUR CHANCES OF PLAYOFF SUCCESS.......WE HAVE TO PAY THE NCAA FEES!!!
If Hilton and other decision makers aren't comfortable with this, we really need to re-evaluate what our football goals really are....and that's why the first 3 questions/options I put up really need to be seriously discussed. Hilton and administrators need to be upfront with what they truly envision for our football program beyond the MEAC regular season..... NSS-- You say all of this, but your bottom line is WE SHOULD JUST QUIT?? That still makes absolutely no sense to me...especially coming from you, of all people. I'm glad that MLK, Medgar Evers or the Greensboro Four didn't feel the way that you do. There are probably hundreds of things that we should do...but QUITTING ain't one of them! That's Low man don't even go there with that BS ok. .AR you have Hilton's hear . Why don't you send that exact statement to him.NHSS just stated what was on his mind that just happen to be the truth and I agree with him 100%. Because a man shows Reason doesn't make the man a Quitter. This is about a flipping football game . Dam
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Post by aggierattler on Dec 22, 2014 13:12:16 GMT -5
I said this earlier, I really don't know what impact this change will have on A&T, the MEAC or HBCU football but ... in my 45 years of following A&T football, I have attended 4 playoff games. That's probably 4 more than the average MEAC fan has attended. Three games A&T played in and the SC State vs. Furman game two years ago. We lost all four games by wide margins if I remember correctly. I went to all the games out of loyalty for A&T and the MEAC, not because I was excited to be in the playoff. NSS is right to ask the question, do we really care about the FCS playoff? Oh sure the football heads on this site think the world as we know it will end if we don't win an FCS playoff game but to the "average" MEAC football fan, do they care? They obvious don't care enough to travel to playoff games to see the team play and they don't talk about the FCS playoff in the offseason. Ask the average MEAC football fan what MEAC team went to the FCS playoff or even how the FCS playoff works and they will give you a blank stare. Just because the bulk of MEAC fans don't care about the FCS playoff is no reason to dump it but it is some indication that to them it is not important. And if it's not important to our fans, how important should it be to the MEAC universities? Hear. Hear. Your statement is truthful. And I will say it most MEAC fans do not give one D cent about the FCS playoff. HELL most don't give a D about there own teams. We played on ESPN and we could not feel Aggie stadium and you think the fans would give a Flip about a FCS playoff game please ! ...but people would pack it in for a Jim Crow Bowl? Most people here said that they don't give a flying flip about the FCS Playoffs when we (A&T) aren't in it. What makes you think that people will give a flying flip about DelState and Mississippi Valley playing in the Chitlin' Bowl a couple of days before Christmas?? The problem is really not with the FCS Playoffs...the problem is with US!!We don't give back enough to do what Hilton and Martin need to bid on a first round playoff game. Yes, we have the POTENTIAL to do exactly what North Dakota State is doing, but we don't follow through with monetary support and physical commitment to get there. We are putting a good product on-the-field, but now y'all think that we should QUIT and play the SWAC instead of continuing to build on what has been created out of the ashes of an 0-27 run and APR disaster just a few seasons ago. THAT MAKES NO SENSE, MY AGGIE BROTHERS!!
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Post by aggierattler on Dec 22, 2014 13:20:20 GMT -5
NSS-- You say all of this, but your bottom line is WE SHOULD JUST QUIT?? That still makes absolutely no sense to me...especially coming from you, of all people. I'm glad that MLK, Medgar Evers or the Greensboro Four didn't feel the way that you do. There are probably hundreds of things that we should do...but QUITTING ain't one of them! That's Low man don't even go there with that BS ok. .AR you have Hilton's hear . Why don't you send that exact statement to him.NHSS just stated what was on his mind that just happen to be the truth and I agree with him 100%. Because a man shows Reason doesn't make the man a Quitter. This is about a flipping football game . Dam SAABMAN-- This was not a personal attack on NSS (or anybody else), and you know that! In fact, over the years, he and I have agreed on many issues. I counter-attacked his words and opinions... not him. And I have the right to disagree with anyone concerning any issue, including you. And you have the same rights, too. So, let's get that straight, ok?
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