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Post by Maxell on Oct 20, 2007 18:02:59 GMT -5
Stopped reading right there. Uhhhhhh, yes you do. We like to call them special teams and quaterback coaches...who report to the HEAD COACH. Let me help you out a bit. These people we call "coaches" teach things that we also like to call "fundamentals." If the kids dont get it then they practice them and practice them again until they do. They start practice with special teams play and they end practice with special teams play. They are SUPPOSED to continue "coaching" until they feel the team is ready to perform on Saturday. If they play the game and fail in these areas, then guess what...they practice these things again and run the team until they drop. Sooner or later, they will have the fundamentals down pat and be prepared to execute them during the game. Now what you are saying is that after two years and no wins, the coach doesnt share in any of the blame of kids not executing during ball games Thats laughable at best. You miss my point. There is only so much a coach can do. The rest is up to the players. By the way, I do believe that Fobbs has some responsibility for this loss. He is responsible just like any other member of the team. However, his performance in this game is not enough to get him fired in my opinion. He performed. The team did not. My second point is that anyone you hire will get the same results with the same players if they play the same way and have the same limitations. Aggiechamp, It's obvious that you have never coached to any significant degree. Kids can't do what you don't practice. Even simple things like how to deal with an onside kick. It must be practiced and that's the responsibility of coaches.
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Post by aggiechamp on Oct 20, 2007 18:42:41 GMT -5
Again, you miss my point. I assume they told these guys to go get the ball and they practiced going to get the ball. After all, this was the hands team. The only reason they are in the game is to get the ball. They didn't do it. That is not the coaches fault. Second, these are football players. Presumably, they played in high school. They should know to go get the ball without being told. If you practice this situation aand you are told to go get the ball and you don't, whose fault is that. Third, if none of the above is true, we are truly in a sad state.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 20, 2007 21:02:46 GMT -5
Again, you miss my point. I assume they told these guys to go get the ball and they practiced going to get the ball. After all, this was the hands team. The only reason they are in the game is to get the ball. They didn't do it. That is not the coaches fault. Second, these are football players. Presumably, they played in high school. They should know to go get the ball without being told. If you practice this situation aand you are told to go get the ball and you don't, whose fault is that. Third, if none of the above is true, we are truly in a sad state. You have obviously never coached. It was more than just the last few minutes that killed us. We had a chance to put a dagger in their heart and once again the field goal was blocked. Bad special teams is a direct reflection of a "LOSER" coaching staff. Its nothing but repitition. I can put 11 high schoolers out there and they would NEVER get the field goal blocked. Step inside and HOLD, that's all you have to do. Its not just this game that has sealed his fate. It's going 0-22 that will do that. he could win the last 2 and he still needs to go. Who keeps their job after a 0-22 start? No one, and if this guy keeps his job I will not attend a SINGLE SOLITARY GAME next year. That along with my little hotdog and soda money should cost A&T a few hundred since I normally bring a few folk with me. If this man remains coach damn a BlueDeath fundraiser as well. Sorry Thrilla, Dooms, Kev,Treese, AggieOne(all the old timers) but thats how I feel about now. This man CAN NOT keep his job after 0-22. Has that ever been done?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 20, 2007 21:11:11 GMT -5
Why am I an oldtimer? I am only 32 years old dammit.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 20, 2007 21:21:55 GMT -5
Why am I an oldtimer? I am only 32 years old dammit. I meant oldtimer to the board. I'm 32 myself.
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Post by aggiechamp on Oct 20, 2007 21:47:06 GMT -5
Again, you miss my point. I assume they told these guys to go get the ball and they practiced going to get the ball. After all, this was the hands team. The only reason they are in the game is to get the ball. They didn't do it. That is not the coaches fault. Second, these are football players. Presumably, they played in high school. They should know to go get the ball without being told. If you practice this situation and you are told to go get the ball and you don't, whose fault is that. Third, if none of the above is true, we are truly in a sad state. You have obviously never coached. It was more than just the last few minutes that killed us. We had a chance to put a dagger in their heart and once again the field goal was blocked. Bad special teams is a direct reflection of a "LOSER" coaching staff. Its nothing but repitition. I can put 11 high schoolers out there and they would NEVER get the field goal blocked. Step inside and HOLD, that's all you have to do. Its not just this game that has sealed his fate. It's going 0-22 that will do that. he could win the last 2 and he still needs to go. Who keeps their job after a 0-22 start? No one, and if this guy keeps his job I will not attend a SINGLE SOLITARY GAME next year. That along with my little hotdog and soda money should cost A&T a few hundred since I normally bring a few folk with me. If this man remains coach damn a BlueDeath fundraiser as well. Sorry Thrilla, Dooms, Kev,Treese, AggieOne(all the old timers) but thats how I feel about now. This man CAN NOT keep his job after 0-22. Has that ever been done? First, you're right. I have never coached. Second, if you read my earlier post, I said this game was lost in the first half when the defense stayed on the field for 20 minutes. Second, you are right about the extra point, but don't you imagine that they explained these things to the special teams since special teams is an area where we have obvious weakness. Third, no matter what you teach, if you don't get any trajectory on the field goal, it will be blocked at the line of scrimmage. Fourth, I did not watch the game, I only listened on the radio, so I assume when the announcer said that he had talked to the Coach about the trajectory of the place kicker that had something to do with the field goal being blocked. Fifth, contrary to what some have said on this board, I see tremendous improvement in the defense from last year. At least this year, we are in position to win some games. Last, but not least, the man signed a four or five year contract and we cannot afford to buy him out or the next coach will be in exactly the same position we are in this year. Finally, I know, I'm older than all you guys so I know best!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 20, 2007 21:58:29 GMT -5
I'm just mad, I keep repeating myself about the same stuff. I guess cause I keep seeing the same stuff. That's why I blame it on coaching. Your team is suppose to improve as the year goes on. Yeah, we improved from last year to this year, but answer this question for me. Do you think that improvement is because of coaching or just because we have better athletes this year. It just looks like our guys are a little bigger, faster, and stronger than last year and THAT is what is keeping us in the games that have been close. It damn sure aint the coaching.
And NO we haven't improved as the year has gone on. We keep making the same mistakes. Straight Coaching.
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Post by aggiechamp on Oct 20, 2007 22:58:00 GMT -5
I'm just mad, I keep repeating myself about the same stuff. I guess cause I keep seeing the same stuff. That's why I blame it on coaching. Your team is suppose to improve as the year goes on. Yeah, we improved from last year to this year, but answer this question for me. Do you think that improvement is because of coaching or just because we have better athletes this year. It just looks like our guys are a little bigger, faster, and stronger than last year and THAT is what is keeping us in the games that have been close. It damn sure aint the coaching. And NO we haven't improved as the year has gone on. We keep making the same mistakes. Straight Coaching. Just my thoughts. We do make the same mistakes but as my mother told me "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I refuse to believe that these coaches aren't going over these mistakes game after game. Yet, we continue to make them. The defense has improved and the coaching of the defense has improved. Better athletes should mean better results. The truth is, we have good athletes but our athletes are not as physically mature as the other teams and we don't have the same number of athletes. The defense is worn out in the third/fourth quarter because we don't have enough depth and they are not physically mature enough. You can be the best coach in the world but normally superior athletes with poor to mediocre coaching will defeat poor athletes with good to superior coaching. The NFL has the best coaches and the best athletes in the world; yet some athletes continue to make the same mistakes week after week. i.e. Rex Grossman. I think our coaches have improved. I saw great improvement in the management of this game and the management of the NCCU game. In my opinion, poor coaching decisions down the stretch resulted in the loss of that game. Our coaches did not lose this game.
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Post by econgrad71 on Oct 21, 2007 0:13:30 GMT -5
As some on this board know, I've been a long-time supporter of Fobbs...since his arrival. But Freeze, treese, vatoncaggie, et. al., you all make compelling points...points that are hard to argue against. I too, find myself losing patience with Fobbs. I've driven down to Greensboro several times this year to watch games and I'm still seeing now much of what I saw in the first game: elementary mistakes, poor tackling or no tackling, etc. As much as I want to, I just don't see appreciable improvement in the very basic areas of football performance. I'm sorry, but THAT'S COACHING...or lack of.
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Post by dj98 on Oct 21, 2007 2:22:52 GMT -5
(call DEE TODD) Are you serious? ??
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Post by dj98 on Oct 21, 2007 2:27:50 GMT -5
(You guys are wrong.)
Stopped reading right there!!!!!!!
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Post by dj98 on Oct 21, 2007 2:35:01 GMT -5
(My second point is that anyone you hire will get the same results with the same players if they play the same way and have the same limitations.)
I did not read the rest but that statement is not true...........
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Post by aggiedaddyofbige74 on Oct 21, 2007 3:03:14 GMT -5
hang in there aggiechamp- there are alot of members that have tunnel vision will refuse to cut the blame cake up & give some to everyone. despite everything that the team did or did not do to win this game, there were two plays that crippled the aggies. on the first play the staff had all the right players in the right places at the right time, on the second play, adjustments were made & players were placed in the best possible position to have a happy ride home. i understand everyones anger about losing, but for those two plays what would ANY coach in america have done different. we recover the frist onside kick & the game is over.
p.s. besides the freshman & juco class this year, how many of these players did fobbs & staff bring in on their own. do not include players that were already committed or coming anyway-just players that they got on their very own
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Post by DECKS on Oct 21, 2007 7:01:40 GMT -5
You can put the right players in but if they haven't practiced something then it does little good. Like most things involving special teams play it looked like they hadn't practiced recovering on-side kicks.
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Post by aggielove on Oct 21, 2007 7:05:08 GMT -5
Aggiechamp, it is very possible for a different staff to get results with the same players . . . Take a look at the Florida Gators teams from a few years back. Ron Zook caoched them and they were a pretty decent team (I think they lost 4 0r 5 games his final season there). Next year, they bring in Meyer and he goes like 9-2 with essentially the same team. Different staff, same players, better results. It happens in college football all the time.
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