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Post by JeffAggieFan on Sept 28, 2007 11:01:20 GMT -5
Aggypyrd
NFL players drop ball on punts and kickoff. I am just upset of Coach Fobbs not trying to throw the ball in the 4th quarters . It seems he just trying to run out the clock to make the score decent
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 28, 2007 11:04:58 GMT -5
I agree 100% Topdogg.; Dooms kids got to start making play. I believe if we had Campbell at QB we would have beaten NCCU and Praire View. I'm going to tell you some real isht right here. I hope anybody that wants to use that "not his players" crap reads it and takes it to heart. If you have a coach that has to have everything just the way he needs it you have a problem. A coach's job is to get the most out of every player. There will be injuries, grade problems, player defections, suspensions, deaths, all sorts of problems that will happen throughout the course of a season. If you cannot overcome the problems you have no business in the profession. Losing players is a very basic problem in coaching. If you are a coach and you can only win in perfect situations we cannot use you at NC A&T State University. I think we have proven time and again we cannot provide a coach with anything close to a perfect situation. All this talk about "until we give we can't expect more"... Please. We're not going to give, but we will give you isht unless you produce a winner. You still want to be here? We will expect more no matter what budget you have to work with. We don't want to hear any excuses. You have got to win with what you have to win with. No coach is immune from that and they shouldn't be. If you can't do it there are 100 guys that would be willing to give it a try and I guarantee all 100 could get us to 0 and whatever we are now just as well. I don't know if I'm more disgusted by the fact that we have the longest losing streak in the nation or that some people will make excuses for it.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 28, 2007 11:17:09 GMT -5
Dooms , I love you man. "Dont get mad A&T, Get better"
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Post by treese on Sept 28, 2007 12:09:17 GMT -5
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 28, 2007 12:38:57 GMT -5
Firing Fobbs after this season would be the death penalty for this program. We would never recover.
Right now, I'm using my beautiful mind and trying to figure out a way out of this mess. Stay tuned.
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Post by aggiejazz on Sept 28, 2007 12:46:34 GMT -5
Firing Fobbs after this season would be the death penalty for this program. We would never recover. What do you call a 0-22 football program with a bee-line to 0-33 .......'Death Row' BTW here are the following number of players on the team by classification: 8 Seniors 31 Jrs 27 So 19 Fr So much for being young. This program will be virtually starting over after next year anyway with 31 graduating (you wish) players leaving after the 2008 season.
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 28, 2007 13:14:10 GMT -5
Firing Fobbs after this season would be the death penalty for this program. We would never recover. As long as we are giving out scholarships, we can recover and recover quickly. An established coach with ties to THIS AREA (not Miss, LA and Texas) could come in here with JUCO's and transfers and be competiitve. Howard hired their coach so late in the season that they didn't have spring practice or a recruiting class. FAMU hired their coach two weeks before the season, in the middle of NCAA sanctions and they've been competitive Stop making excuses for this cat.
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Post by enlightenedaggie on Sept 28, 2007 13:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 28, 2007 13:25:12 GMT -5
I don't know....
Jumping a team for stomping your logo...
Not scoring a point after halftime and giving up three td's in a little over a quarter...
The worst part is I don't think anybody is panicking. I think these are rational realizations about the current status of the program and the fact that it wasn't this bad two years ago.
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Post by aggielove on Sept 28, 2007 14:03:05 GMT -5
If you have a coach that has to have everything just the way he needs it you have a problem. A coach's job is to get the most out of every player. There will be injuries, grade problems, player defections, suspensions, deaths, all sorts of problems that will happen throughout the course of a season. If you cannot overcome the problems you have no business in the profession. Losing players is a very basic problem in coaching. The problem with coach fobbs is that he really didn't have to deal with the multiple issues Dooms laid out prior to his current position. If the brother had even been a coordinator at some point, he would have had a little more perspective on that. I think he was focused on his area of responsiblity and didn't notice the bigger picture.
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Post by Aggie77 on Sept 28, 2007 14:31:58 GMT -5
"The kids play their hearts out and do what they're told if they want to play. ...." That is the point.. The players haven't given up on the coach. When the players give up, or the coaching staff loses control of the players. Then its time for the coach et al to go. I am not drinking the cool Aid on the coach, and I will be the first to put a "FOR SALE" sign in his yard. But right now is not time to panic. At least we didn't sign him to a contract through 2012 (ie. Charlie Weis). When his contract is up it will be time to evaluate the entire program. Look at the total program: -Look at what he was left with. --Do you remember what happened before Little's 2nd season? -What he is trying to do? (Don't know all the details) If I am totally wrong please correct me. Panic!! It’s worst than I thought. This must be some type “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” occurrence. Who are you Aggies!! I knew we had lowered our standards, but we have now sunken to accepting less than mediocrity. And it doesn’t look like mediocrity is even a goal. Not being on the inside, I don’t know if it’s the staff, the leadership, the players, facility, the resources or what, but something is wrong and WE need to fix it. Folks we just lost to NSU, a school that had not won in Greensboro in twenty years. We have not come close to winning a MEAC game in two years. A conference with a pathetic out-of-conference record. Panic!! I can’t tell what to do, or how to do it, but if this unacceptable to you, you should voice your concern. I don’t care to whom, I don’t care if you don’t give back, and I don’t care if you live on Mars. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, IT HAS TO STOP. Somebody somewhere should know that Aggies are not pleased with these results. Though this is but one of the many issues facing A&T this needs to be fixed because this is a big revenue generator for the rest of the athletic department, and it marquee value is priceless to the University. It’s to late to Panic.
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Post by aggieman007 on Sept 28, 2007 19:46:12 GMT -5
DOOMS YOU NEED TO BE THE AD. That was the best post of the problem w this coaching staff. Fobbs is in over his head. But he has D1 experience that does not mean nothing.
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Post by mcram on Sept 28, 2007 20:13:27 GMT -5
in response to thrilla (new to posting, don't know how to do that in response thing yet) ... An established coach with ties to THIS AREA (not Miss, LA and Texas) could come in here with JUCO's and transfers and be competiitve.
its hard to recruit in-state with so many programs .... acc, socon, ciaa, and other programs
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 28, 2007 20:32:44 GMT -5
I wish it was that easy. First of all, you guys act like we are not broke and Fobbs doesn't have a guaranteed contract making about 170K per. Also, any program that has had 4 coaches in 7 years will never recover. You saw the defections we had when Hayes and Fobbs left. Imagine what will happen to all those JRs, SOs, and FRs on the team now. Say goodbye to Speedy, Big Rob, and all those OL recruits.
This is 2007 and this program has only won more than 4 games one time since 2001. If you try to destroy and rebuild again, it will take decades before we get back to a championship level.
By that time, I fear the entire A&T fan base will just become apathetic.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 28, 2007 20:52:39 GMT -5
}disclaimer--I'm not advocating the termination of the coaching staff, I'm just making conversation{
It depends on who you hire. I doubt you'd have many juniors defecting and I would imagine a lot of the kids would be at least willing to listen to what a new coach has to say.
There have been a lot of programs in similar situations. Many took decades to get out of their rut and many saw immediate turnarounds. If we buck a recent trend and hire somebody with experience working with almost no budget that has rebuilt a program as a head coach and has shown the ability to make game-time adjustments (i.e., any number of d-3 coaches) then there are no worries.
If we go out and overburden the next hire like we've done the current one then we are better off just trying to get more support for Fobbs and company.
I think they're overworked. The staff is piecemeal. Not to mention they can't be used to this. One of many negatives that we overlooked when we went after a coach with d-1 experience is that d-1 coaches don't have to do all this mess. They can just go and coach. They don't have to "collapse positions" just to make a living wage. If they want a kid they go and get him.
Folks, Lee Fobbs can get it. My worry is that it ain't coming nearly fast enough for my taste (his either, I'm sure) and he's already around 56 years old. I feel that by the time he gets it he'll be eligible for full retirement benefits.
I talked to a friend of mine earlier tonight. Her nephew is a pretty good tailback in Richmond. Hawaii and ODU are on him hard. She said she mentioned A&T to him and he laughed and said "y'all suck."
That's hard.
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