oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 21, 2012 10:56:44 GMT -5
i agree with those who say criticism comes with the territory of college athletics, especially at the d1 level. if a guy plays poorly, i'll criticize him but not in a "profane" or "derogatory" way. i see nothing wrong with that as long as the criticism is fair.
and i also agree with monster that "constant" everyday bashing of a coach is inappropriate and if nothing else, it certainly makes it more difficult for eaves to recruit. its one thing for a prospective recruit to see or hear an opposing coach or alum criticizing eaves or any other opposing coach, that happens all the time. but for a recruit to see or hear "constant" bashing of a coach by the coach's own supporters is detrimental to a prospective recruit's decision making process. if the opposition says the coach can't coach, and on top of that, so does the coach's own supporters? guess what? that prospective recruit probably won't choose a&t unless he doesn't have any other offers.
now, i'm not saying folk should "never" criticize their own coach because that happens everywhere, including the roy williams and coach k's of the world. but what we don't need to do is tear our coach down so much that the man can't recruit anybody...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Feb 21, 2012 11:07:31 GMT -5
i agree with those who say criticism comes with the territory of college athletics, especially at the d1 level. if a guy plays poorly, i'll criticize him but not in a "profane" or "derogatory" way. i see nothing wrong with that as long as the criticism is fair. and i also agree with monster that "constant" everyday bashing of a coach is inappropriate and if nothing else, it certainly makes it more difficult for eaves to recruit. its one thing for a prospective recruit to see or hear an opposing coach or alum criticizing eaves or any other opposing coach, that happens all the time. but for a recruit to see or hear "constant" bashing of a coach by the coach's own supporters is detrimental to a prospective recruit's decision making process. if the opposition says the coach can't coach, and on top of that, so does the coach's own supporters? guess what? that prospective recruit probably won't choose a&t unless he doesn't have any other offers. now, i'm not saying folk should "never" criticize their own coach because that happens everywhere, including the roy williams and coach k's of the world. but what we don't need to do is tear our coach down so much that the man can't recruit anybody... Nail on head. If I or my son was a recruit and I sat down and read this joint we would be going elsewhere. That may be some people's point though. To bash and bash and bash until the admins have no choice. The coach is put in a no-win situation. Well, in this case he put himself in that situation. He's been bashed so much that I dont see why I'm even bringing this up. The damage is not fixable. Maybe so it wont happen again?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 21, 2012 11:38:31 GMT -5
i think the damage is fixable, but it can only be fixed by doing one thing and one thing only. and that is by winning the meac tournament championship.
just as i advise athletes how to deal with criticism, i'd give coaches the very same advice. the best way to shut up your critics and repair any damage their criticism may have done, is to "prove" your critics wrong. so far, eaves hasn't been able to do that.
i can't speak for nobody else, but if eaves wins the meac tournament "championship" this year, he'll be my boy again! of course, he's never shown any signs that he's capable of doing that. but if he does win it all this season, then i can stomach giving the man another 3 year extension. not more than 3 years though, maybe even 2...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Feb 21, 2012 11:42:21 GMT -5
Eaves has been at this job for 9 years - he's had enough time to prove his worth. His body of work speaks for itself. Let's keep it real for a minute - you all would feel comfortable having your son play for Eaves? Look at what he's done thus far. Look at where he's finished. I love A&T as much (dare I say more) than anyone else and am pushing for my son to come here to college. However, if he turns out to be a star basketball player and wants to go somewhere where he can 1) Get a good education 2) Have a coach who can groom him to be a better player 3) Be part of a winning program A&T offers only part one of the equation..... Take A&T out the equation for a minute. If Eaves (or a coach with a similar record) was at High Point, Elon, Campbell, NCCU, Gardner-Webb and you evaluated his 9-year record there and who he recruited/groomed, you're telling me you'd feel comfortable with your son playing for him (or a coach like him) for 4 years? ?? Like the fellas on the street say - let's keep it 100. This criticism everyone is posting is not about Eaves, the man. This is about Eaves, the coach. High school recruits ain't dumb. They know who's winning and who isn't. They know who can develop players and who can't. There are numerous DI schools in this area, and they're getting constantly compared to one another. With Eaves, we are not being looked at favorably. I cannot be convinced otherwise. Recruits are not looking at these boards to determine where they go - they're looking at results.......from an A&T perspective, under Eaves, where are they?
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Post by aggie2ru on Feb 21, 2012 12:07:10 GMT -5
The truth is the truth. If its not good it needs to change. There is no easy, softer way around doing grown folks business. Everybody is accountable that is the way the real world works. I'm not making this up, that's the way it is. That is the way I was raised and that is the way I have raised my kids. Ima keep calling a spade a spade.
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Post by Bigboy on Feb 21, 2012 12:37:34 GMT -5
Who is everybody trying to convince that Eaves need to go? I think everyone on this site is already convinced he need to go. I feel a lot of people are growing tired of all this Eaves bashing, so let go of his "sack" already!! If Martin and Hilton are not convinced yet, then they probably won't be or they may be already making plans to let him go. Which ever it is lets just wait and see what happens.
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Post by aggiedog on Feb 21, 2012 15:43:53 GMT -5
Bigboy, well stated
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Post by aggie2ru on Feb 21, 2012 18:24:58 GMT -5
I just wish that everybody on here that feels like I do.......that it's time to make a change.....wud take it another step by contacting administration and express their displeasure.
There is power in numbers!!!! If we just sit back and take the attitude that, "they won't make a move until they are ready"..... are we doing our school and basketball program a favor?
Sometimes we have to influence the hand of those in charge by making our voices known.That is a lesson that was taught to me many years ago because I have been an activist and go-getter all my life.
I don't mind speaking up for change at my school. The same school that taught me to "be the change". Some people are not like that but I am and I'm proud of it.
Eaves gots to go!
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Post by saabman on Feb 21, 2012 19:15:03 GMT -5
i think the damage is fixable, but it can only be fixed by doing one thing and one thing only. and that is by winning the meac tournament championship. just as i advise athletes how to deal with criticism, i'd give coaches the very same advice. the best way to shut up your critics and repair any damage their criticism may have done, is to "prove" your critics wrong. so far, eaves hasn't been able to do that. i can't speak for nobody else, but if eaves wins the meac tournament "championship" this year, he'll be my boy again! of course, he's never shown any signs that he's capable of doing that. but if he does win it all this season, then i can stomach giving the man another 3 year extension. not more than 3 years though, maybe even 2... OSA: I don't think that this is fixable and if I was Eaves ,if I won the MEAC, I would take my Ring and run far away from A&T are ask to be moved to another Department with the same pay!!
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Post by DECKS on Feb 21, 2012 20:21:26 GMT -5
i think the damage is fixable, but it can only be fixed by doing one thing and one thing only. and that is by winning the meac tournament championship. just as i advise athletes how to deal with criticism, i'd give coaches the very same advice. the best way to shut up your critics and repair any damage their criticism may have done, is to "prove" your critics wrong. so far, eaves hasn't been able to do that. i can't speak for nobody else, but if eaves wins the meac tournament "championship" this year, he'll be my boy again! of course, he's never shown any signs that he's capable of doing that. but if he does win it all this season, then i can stomach giving the man another 3 year extension. not more than 3 years though, maybe even 2... OSA: I don't think that this is fixable and if I was Eaves ,if I won the MEAC, I would take my Ring and run far away from A&T are ask to be moved to another Department with the same pay!! Lol, there's that "if" word again. ;D
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Post by saabman on Feb 21, 2012 20:29:16 GMT -5
OSA: I don't think that this is fixable and if I was Eaves ,if I won the MEAC, I would take my Ring and run far away from A&T are ask to be moved to another Department with the same pay!! Lol, there's that "if" word again. ;D COME ON DECKS MAN (I LIKE IF GIVES ME AWAY OUT ...LOL I FEEL YA ;D OK I WOULD TAKE MY RING AND GET OUT !! TO MUCH BAD WATER..LOL HOWS THAT
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Post by The Professor on Feb 21, 2012 23:54:17 GMT -5
I agree to disagree : . If a little Criticism hurts your game,then you shouldn't be playing College BB any way. This is nothing compared to the ridicule they will face if they were in the Big 12, ACC,Pac 12,Big East are any college level BB program. Come on man we support the student athletes but being a Student Athlete dosen't give you a pass!! When My $ are paying your way. I can careless about the coach in this case (Eaves) Because I already know that he is on his why out!!! But when the Athletes get out their and play with Heart THEY WILL ALWAYS GET MY SUPPORT. BUT WHEN THEY PLAY LIKE THE DON'T GIVE A (S) !! THEY SHOULD BE CRITICIZED!!. Some of you that think the a student athlete is just a Kid forget that too. They are simipro Athletes!! They are being paid to play Ball and be good students in the class room, and that Ball Playing and class work pays for their Education!!! Now if any young man on the BB are any team that can't handle Criticism are being criticize by somebody, YOU MAY NEED TO RETHINK HOW YOUR GOING TO PAY FOR YOU EDUCATION ARE LIVE YOUR LIFE, BECAUSE IT'S COMES WITH THE TIMES. I doubt booster money is being used to fund schlorships. If anything , it comes from guarentee games or student fees
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Post by aggie1 on Feb 24, 2012 22:38:05 GMT -5
Heard through the Grapevine ... A&T is trying to get NBA Trainer Jerry Powell to coach A&T next year.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Feb 25, 2012 0:28:09 GMT -5
Heard through the Grapevine ... A&T is trying to get NBA Trainer Jerry Powell to coach A&T next year. Which Jerry Powell??? The one that played for A&T 50 years ago and coached JR. College in New York??? The one that is 70 years old??? Or maybe his son who attended Howard? Or a totally different Jerry Powell that has had no association with A&T???
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Post by mthollyaggie98 on Feb 25, 2012 7:46:21 GMT -5
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