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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 28, 2011 19:36:03 GMT -5
I'm confused though? When you say "admins" when it relates to sports the first person I think of is the AD. What admins are you referring to? The AD is the person that would give that plan, correct?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 28, 2011 22:44:47 GMT -5
I'm confused though? When you say "admins" when it relates to sports the first person I think of is the AD. What admins are you referring to? The AD is the person that would give that plan, correct? when i refer to admins, i'm referring to the chancellor's office and everyone beneath him who made all of the decisions for athletics before dr. martin took office. i'm not blaming the ad. if the ad is a failure, i blame the person(s) who were responsible for hiring him. i'm blaming the folk who are in charge of assuring that the ad and everybody associated with athletics does their jobs. if the overall athletic department is a failure, i don't blame the athletic department employess. i blame the folk who the ad reports to and all of his/her superiors...
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Post by mthollyaggie98 on Dec 29, 2011 8:43:36 GMT -5
Chancellor Martin has released a plan and it is on the website: www.ncat.edu/~newsinfo/chancellor/strategic_plan/I am not sue whether theis has cascaded down to the indivodual departments, i.e. the AD in which he gives a road map on how he is going to reach Martins goal. I think everyone neds to calm down, give to the university, and let the AD do his job. I am very impressed with Martins vision....read the pdf!!! Sent from my ADR6400L using ProBoards
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Post by mthollyaggie98 on Dec 29, 2011 8:49:41 GMT -5
By 2020 Martin documents that the goal is to have 5 MEAC championships in different sports and to have a 65% athlete graduation rate. This is on the second to last page of the link above. If that is his goal, he will ensure things are in place to make it happen...but we have to do our part and donate!!!!
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 29, 2011 8:50:55 GMT -5
Gm family.......On my way out the door. I wholeheartly agree that it all starts at the top. People need to be held accountable for what they do. Our past includes unconscionable bad decision-making by admins that has basically enslaved us to second class citizenry in the MEAC and beyond. That part is duly noted and acknowledged by me and others who wish to look at the "root" of our problems. Now, what is the solution? What can we do about holding people accountable? For me, I have begun to talk to Board of Trustee members AND I have been in contact with Martin/Hilton. I am a graduate and a contributor. I let my voice be heard DIRECTLY to those involved. We need more interested parties to do the same. A few can not accomplish what many can. Be an advocate like the great Frank McCain has said, "be the change". Call, write, e-mail the people that pull the strings!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by The Professor on Dec 29, 2011 22:32:12 GMT -5
By 2020 Martin documents that the goal is to have 5 MEAC championships in different sports and to have a 65% athlete graduation rate. This is on the second to last page of the link above. If that is his goal, he will ensure things are in place to make it happen...but we have to do our part and donate!!!! Sent from my ADR6400L using ProBoards That whole plan has 2 lines dedicated to athletics. It has no bullets explaining a strategies or main objectives. There are no kind of benchmarks to how we are going to get 5 championships nor a 65 percent grad rate. So i guess this is Martin talking athletics seriously, Lol wake me up when someone actually puts forth some effort
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 29, 2011 23:08:42 GMT -5
It is NOT Martin's job to worry about athletics. That's why he hires an AD, so he can put 2 lines about athletics in his plan for the University. Any further detailed explanation should come from the AD.
Considering the bball hire nor extension was made by him I would expect a plan for basketball AFTER he fires Eaves and before he hires the new coach. We all know he cant release anything saying we expect our b-ball team to do "this or that" while Eaves is still the coach. If he does that he will look like an a$$. People's response would automatically be "How you expect to do that with your current coach? You crazy!"
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Post by The Professor on Dec 30, 2011 0:05:27 GMT -5
Lol, who does the AD report too?
And when is the AD going to release this information concerning a plan for athletics so he can achieve his boss objectives?
So what a second? You are expecting a list of the goals and objectives of football when we never received one when Lee was fired from football? Nor did we receive one before we got new coaches in Volleyball, Track , and Baseball? Where are the plans................'
Let me help you, they don't exist
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 30, 2011 7:49:26 GMT -5
Monster.......u crazy man.....LMAO. ("How do you expect to do that with your current coach?")
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 30, 2011 7:53:20 GMT -5
It's never too late. Call, write, e-mail (Obama, Jesse Jackson, your Congressman) Martin/Hilton. Have an impact in what's going on at OUR school.
Is anybody willing to take the next step?
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 30, 2011 7:56:08 GMT -5
Lol, who does the AD report too? And when is the AD going to release this information concerning a plan for athletics so he can achieve his boss objectives? So what a second? You are expecting a list of the goals and objectives of football when we never received one when Lee was fired from football? Nor did we receive one before we got new coaches in Volleyball, Track , and Baseball? Where are the plans................' Let me help you, they don't exist I see your point, sort of. There was no "official" release of the plan other than Hilton(who was interim at the time) saying "We’re going to identify the best candidate as quickly as we can”. But who(meaning what univeristy) actually releases an "official" plan? I would love to see one from ANY school. The reason FBS schools have to let their plan be known is because it would leak anyway due to the large media coverage they have. A coach couldn't step foot on campus without getting his picture taken. An email couldn't get sent without it leaking to the media. In this case I just think you guys are expecting to much. What type of report do you want? I'm thinking you want something you can hold people feet to a fire and place blame when it doesn't come through or falls apart. Also, are you saying dont fire a TERRIBLE coach cause they dont let everyone know what the plan is after they do it? Keep a coach who hasn't done anything over 9 years just because it can get worse? Not much worse. Maybe I'm way off. Maybe you donate waaay more than me and think you should be privy to more insider info or something? I have no idea. I'll just assume that. Even though I contribute, I'm not a huge donor. I do my part, but I got kids, LOL. Maybe if I throw a few more hundred in the pot I can demand this type of stuff also .
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Post by captaggie on Dec 30, 2011 11:00:40 GMT -5
You're on target Aggie Monster!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 30, 2011 11:49:26 GMT -5
i dunno, i'm still kinda with professor on this one. status quo simply won't work, its been proven by a&t. anytime you have a multi-million dollar operating budget for an athletic department, you need a roadmap to define where you're trying to go and how you're gonna get there. you can't just throw money in the air and "make it rain" without any sense of direction. otherwise you wind up with exactly what we've had for the last decade, an inept athletic department.
plain ole business sense (which i actually learned as an undergrad at a&t) says a business without a "plan" is a failed business. first you set the goals and objectives. then you devise a short term and long term "plan" which defines how you're gonna get there. you can't just say we'd like to win "x" number of championships and then "make it rain" without any sense of direction whatsoever. that's very unprofessional. that's like running a mom and pop's store.
when you don't have a plan, you "waste money" because you haven't thoroughly thought out how to operate in the most efficient manner possible. every sport and all operations in our athletic department should have a short term and long term "plan" that's compatible with the overall athletic department's short term and long term "plan". that's how a "real" athletic department operates. operating without a plan is why football teams go on 27 game losing streaks and both men's and women's basketball teams along with the volleyball team have near "winless" seasons.
we've got to get out of the "pre-d1" ways of doing things, that's what has hurt us the most. at the d1 level, you simply can't operate that way or else you get the results that we've gotten...
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 30, 2011 13:23:18 GMT -5
I definitely agree that the blame starts at the top. Going forward....I am in the solution so the problem can be fixed!
Let's make a concerted effort to call, e-mail, write Martin/Hilton to give our concerns so action can be considered.
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Post by captaggie on Dec 30, 2011 13:30:59 GMT -5
Martin/Hilton do not need any more emails. I'm sure they already know how we feel.
Here's an action plan: Someone step up and buy out the contract. Other than that, be patience.
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