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Post by The Professor on Dec 19, 2011 13:54:55 GMT -5
Lol, shhh Bigboy
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 19, 2011 15:42:54 GMT -5
I know no one wants to hear this but Eaves will probably not be going anywhere until his contract is up. .....Not everybody - Professor is doing cartwheels.
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 19, 2011 17:07:58 GMT -5
They told me Obama wud never b elected President, that I wud never graduate from A&T, that we would never hire another football coach until General Lee's contarct expired, that...........I'm just saying without hope and prayers (he-he) ANYTHING CAN happen!
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 19, 2011 17:09:50 GMT -5
BIG CORRECTION......I meant to say,"WITH hope and prayers ANYTHING CAN happen" My badddd!
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Post by bigpeete1 on Dec 19, 2011 19:27:57 GMT -5
NOTHIN SEEMS TO CHANGE EVERYTHING ALWAYS REMAIN THE SAME! AGGIE PRIDE!
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Post by The Professor on Dec 28, 2011 13:33:11 GMT -5
I know no one wants to hear this but Eaves will probably not be going anywhere until his contract is up. .....Not everybody - Professor is doing cartwheels. Not true. Seen Eaves lose a lot of winnable games. But at this point , i rather stick with the devil i know. If the administration showed me a vision , a plan for basketball or hell the entire athletic department as a whole with benchmarks. Something that showed me we as a university are serious about this sport or any other for that matter, I would be like yeah Fire him. But at this point, what's the use? They will fire eaves, bring in a replacement with no criteria or qualifications of what they (administration) want. And in a few years we will be right back here complaining.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 28, 2011 13:42:59 GMT -5
Hey Professor, "Show you a vision?" The vision is simple... get a men's basketball coach that can recruit and successfully coach players that will consistently play for and periodically win the MEAC Championships and maintain their academic standings. That's the vision that I think most Aggies have for the basketball program. From what I can tell, Eaves has managed in 8 years to only recruit players that can maintain their academic standings. He missed all the other parts of the vision.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 28, 2011 13:54:11 GMT -5
Ok, i'll play. Where are the benchmarks so that when Eaves wasn't meeting the vision years ago , it could have been corrected?
But that's not the vision. You know why? Cause it has never been presented to the membership. Never been discussed. Never even thought about. Like i said, you guys don't get it. There needs to be a fundamental change on market street. And it begins with stating the goals and objectives of our athletic department.
Without a goal, how do you know you accomplished anything
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 28, 2011 15:43:27 GMT -5
i have to agree with professor on this one. yes, i'd like to see eaves replaced. but eaves isn't the only problem. our admins are as much at fault as eaves is. i'll give dr. martin some slack because it'll take some time for him to put his signature on everything. but the overall job our admins have done with athletics over the last decade or so is a down right "DISGRACE"! they've done a far worse job than eaves has. man, i'm so very frustrated with our administration for neglecting our athletic department. i wish i personally had the power to "clean house" and bring in some folk who take their job seriously. not just academics, but athletics too. nobody will argue that academics shouldn't come first. but that doesn't mean athletics should be neglected and clearly it has been neglected. so much so that its downright "EMBARRASSING"! marketing is a joke and wbb is the only team that wins consistently. show me an aggie who is proud of the way our athletic department has been run over the last decade and i'll show an aggie who has his/her head completely buried in the sand. to be honest with you, i downright "resent" the job that our admins have done with athletics! the only hesitation i'd have with firing eaves is the horrendous track record of our admins to hire good coaches. we shouldn't have to hire and fire 4 or 5 coaches in order to find just one good one. i think i'll end this post right here because i could write 10 pages on how horrible our admins have been...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 28, 2011 15:57:08 GMT -5
Man yall are veterans of this board, so I expect better than those last two posts. Does the administration have to show you a plan that they have mapped out before getting rid of a sorry coach? That makes no sense. They have to actually show the fan base what they expect in their next coach BEFORE firing the current one? Who does that?
You fire your current coach and THEN announce what you expect in your next hire. Not before.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 28, 2011 16:04:09 GMT -5
The point is they won't do either. We have had a coach just like Eaves before. His name was Curtis Hunter. Funny enough he was the coach before him.
At some point the administration has to show what their thinking? What their thought process is?
If and when they fire Eaves , you will know what we always know. Nothing. There will be no criteria list, no list of candidates, list of finalists. Hell all you will get is a press release. We as supporters deserve so much more than that.
And that's why i say until the administration shows me a plan or vision for athletics and each specific sport..... I see no point in firing no one
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 28, 2011 16:57:47 GMT -5
Man yall are veterans of this board, so I expect better than those last two posts. Does the administration have to show you a plan that they have mapped out before getting rid of a sorry coach? That makes no sense. They have to actually show the fan base what they expect in their next coach BEFORE firing the current one? Who does that? You fire your current coach and THEN announce what you expect in your next hire. Not before. Professor, I agree with you. This whole conversation about "vision" and the problems with our "administration" was starting to depress me. The vision every college has is to hire a coach that wins games and graduates players. We can lay out milestones and benchmarks but bottom line the coach still has to do those two tasks in the end. But it takes money and resources to find, hire and retain a coach that can do that consistently. Most HBCU's... no, most colleges our size or smaller are at a disadvantage because of limited funds. I'm sure there are lots of colleges our size with our athletic budget that wins consistently and graduates players but I can't name them. If the college doesn't have the funds they are not going to be able to hire a winning coach that can graduate players. And if they ever luck up and get a coach that can build a winning program, some other college with deeper pockets will come along and buy that coach away. Remember Capel? I agree A&T has made hiring mistakes over the years. Eaves is one of those mistakes. But give this administration a little more time to fix this problem before you "toss them out." With or without a "vision" for the football team I think they hired the right coach. Let's see what they will do about Eaves.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Dec 28, 2011 17:15:46 GMT -5
So if we do nothing, the admin does nothing and Eaves continues to win nothing what message does that send? I understand writing visions and making plans but how can you expect a strategy from a flock of folk who are never strategic?
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 28, 2011 17:22:56 GMT -5
Once our AD was hired wasn't the hiring of a football about as transparent as it had been for any sport in a long time? Especially he last 2 football hires.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 28, 2011 17:38:02 GMT -5
Man yall are veterans of this board, so I expect better than those last two posts. Does the administration have to show you a plan that they have mapped out before getting rid of a sorry coach? That makes no sense. They have to actually show the fan base what they expect in their next coach BEFORE firing the current one? Who does that? You fire your current coach and THEN announce what you expect in your next hire. Not before. monster, i'm not saying our admins must get their act together "before" firing eaves. i'm just agreeing with professor that our admins have been a major problem not only for eaves but every coach at a&t. i mean, just look at our overall athletics at a&t over the last decade. its been an "EMBARRASSING" train wreck and its extremely well documented on this message board under multiple threads. honestly, it pysses me off so much that i have to restrain myself. if it were up to me, i'd blow thru the dudley building like a friggin hurricane and blow all of those bumbs away and replace them with some real professionals! its friggin "INEXCUSABLE" how they've neglected our athletics so bad over the years. if it wasn't for bill hayes and pat bibbs, we wouldn't have jack to be proud of in aggie athletics department! and they did it "despite" our admins, not because of them. and it pysses me off because i know how much "potential" a&t has athletically and its all going to waste!! folk like me who have been around long enough knows when a&t has championship caliber football and basketball teams, our fans come out of the woodwork like roaches at night when you turn the lights on! one of the reasons our sports promotions are so laxed at a&t is because long ago, we never really had to promote anything. our folk never needed very much "hyping" to get them to come out for football and basketball. so everytime i hear folk talkin' bout all of these promotions that we need so that aggie supporters would come to games simply "astonishes" me! not because they're not needed, i'm astonished because "now" they are needed! whereas in the past they weren't! we "NEVER" had to beg folk to come to games. but our admins have run our athletics so far into the dirt, now we've got to beg folk to come to games! so no, i'm not saying wait until our admins get their act together before replacing eaves. i'm just agreeing with professor that our admins have been "DISGRACEFUL" in terms of running our athletic department. ya see how passionate superstar and aggie2ru are about firing eaves? well i'm twice as passionate about firing our admins. i just choose not to waste my time typing about it multiple times on this message board. but i'm no less passionate than they are...
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