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Post by aggiebred09 on Dec 14, 2011 10:20:03 GMT -5
People be real, you have no clue what it takes to get a championship caliber Basketball coach at A&T. Stop the assumptions. Central is doing it with less and we are still sticking up for an overpaid under achieving mediocre coach. Look at what we stand for and look at what we are producing. This is ridiculous.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 14, 2011 12:13:38 GMT -5
Ditto. As far as I'm concerned, A&T doesn't have a mens basketball program this year. I will continue to ignore the team as long as A&T continues to ignore the fact that Eaves can not win at this level.
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Post by Bigboy on Dec 14, 2011 13:18:59 GMT -5
Why abandon or ignore the team because of the coach. We should support the team because of the student athletes on the team. They are all Aggies just as we all are. Oh, and by the way, who has NCCU beat besides us? Is that considered getting it done. When they win a championship then we can say that they are getting it done.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 14, 2011 13:55:20 GMT -5
people, please don't say we have to have a proven coach who will demand more money than eaves makes. that's simply not true. moton had "zero" years of head coaching experience at the college level, dude was coaching high school. he wasn't a proven coach by any stretch. yet, he's bringing in major d1 transfers left and right. he's brought in proven players from kansas state, oklahoma, univ. of georgia, and south florida. all "major d1" schools, not just any d1 school. and i didn't even mention their shooting ace who transferred from unc-g.
hampton's men coach, joyner, wasn't a proven coach when he got hired. he had "never" been a college head coach before. matter of fact, he use to coach women's basketball. yet, all he did was win the meac men's championship last year after only 2 years as a head coach. dr. harvey doesn't pay his coaches big salaries, so i doubt if makes as much as eaves.
anthony evans at nsu had "never" been a head coach before. yet, look at what he's accomplished at nsu compared to what eaves has accomplished at a&t? again, he wasn't a proven coach when nsu hired him.
nobody had ever heard of david six, the lady's coach at hampton. before hampton hired him, he had "never" been a college head coach before. just like moton, he was coaching "high school". yet, with no college head coaching experience, all he did was win "back-to-back" meac championships, knocked off multiple major d1 teams, took kentucky to "overtime" at the big dance last season, and was this year's preseason pick to win the meac championship again for the 3rd year in a row.
i mean, i could go on and on. come on folks, let's be real. i'm around basketball coaches all the time. we "DO NOT" need a proven head basketball coach at a&t. unlike football, basketball coaches are plentiful, easy to find, and most don't demand a ton of money. the only reason a&t should hire a proven head coach is if hilton is incapable of analyzing head coaching material. otherwise, there's plenty of excellent head coaching candidates out their that most of us have never heard of...
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Post by treese on Dec 14, 2011 13:55:39 GMT -5
Why are people throwing nccu name out there like they are doing something!!!!!! they beat us and ?! back to the topic!
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Post by krazykev on Dec 14, 2011 14:23:54 GMT -5
Moton has not proven anything in his 3 yrs coaching at Central. You all are going off them beating us and the transfers that are on the team. He is undefeated at home this season but, they were all cupcakes besides us. The UNCG kid (Clement) played high school ball under him, Sutton is from Durham and came home for personal reasons (NCCU was not his 1st choice). He just lost another kid for selling drugs and six seniors on team that play most of the minutes.
Moton's NCCU coaching record to date 7-22 : 2009-10 15-15 : 2010-11 5-5 : 2011-12 (all five lost on the road)
David Six is at Hampton because, he does not have a degree and was just the Director of Intramurals before getting the job. He also coached High School for girls and boys.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 14, 2011 15:08:16 GMT -5
Why are people throwing nccu name out there like they are doing something!!!!!! they beat us and ?! back to the topic! Dont know about others, but I did because they are on the upswing and we are..............................leveled off. But Kev is right, a few of his players had relationships with him when he was coaching at Sanderson. He keeps close ties to almost ALL the high school coaches and kids though, so I think he one-ups Eaves in that department. God forbid he ever start hooking up with all these "Church Teams" in the Triangle like Word of God, Castral Heights ,or Upper Room Acadamy. 7-22, 15-15 are not great years, but 15-15 is an improvement from the previous year and their big men SUCKED last year. I'm going to save a real analysis for MEAC play. If they start handing the top half of the MEAC L's NCCU and Moton are for real. If not I guess their basketball program and football programs are very similar. All hype and no substance.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 14, 2011 15:31:03 GMT -5
i threw moton's name out there because after only 2 years as a head coach, his team is better positioned to win an meac championship than eaves' team after 8 years of head coaching. nccu went 10-5 (67%) against meac competition last season, eaves went 9-7 (56%) in the same season. and moton is 2-1 against us. looks like moton is outperforming eaves, if you ask me.
much like eaves, moton took over a near "winless" program that had only won 4 games. it took moton only 2 years to build a team with an meac winning record, whereas it took eaves 4 or 5 years.
the point being, we don't need a proven high priced head coach to come in and do a better job than eaves is doing. moton and several others that i listed are proof of that. and let me be clear, by no stretch of anybody's imagination am i a fan of "anything" nccu does. yet, i call it the way that i see it and i give credit where credit is due.
moton by far has accomplished more in his first 2 years than eaves has in nearly 8. moton has won only 2 fewer meac tournament games than eaves even though he's never played in the meac tournament at all. just 2 fewer after never competing in the meac tournament, versus eaves after 8 years as our head coach. that speaks volumes...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 14, 2011 16:03:07 GMT -5
I remember how A&T was food stamps, section A housing poor this time last year......the next thing you know, Broadway is our head coach. For all of you negroes claiming we are Evans family broke, where is your proof? Did Martin or Hilton give a press conference in front of the cafeteria recently and say the school was about to close for lack of funds? The only things poor I see are the progress of our basketball program and the thinking of some fellow Aggies who believe that current Aggie bball is the best we can expect. I really am disappointed with the way some of us think....
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 14, 2011 17:43:26 GMT -5
kev.......u forget the shape of NCCU MBB BEFORE Moten took over. Look how far they have come in 2 1/3 yrs w/Moten.
Part of coaching is establishing and maintaining good relationships with people and being able to network. Moten has done this, Eaves has not.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 14, 2011 18:01:11 GMT -5
Hey Professor don't worry about where the money will come from. Mr. Hilton said it was his job to find it. I believe he will. I believe he will find a new coach also - after this season is over. Coaches are hired to be fired and that is a fact. Eaves time is now and not later. It won't be any hard feelings. It's just part of the coaching system. He knows that and he knows his time is near. Real near. I will believe Hilton is concerned about finding money when those empty panels on the scoreboard are filled with real sponsors .... or he fires the person (Big Daddy Phil) who is responsible for filling it up. I could care less who is coaching basketball, as long as the kids graduate and he brings in enough to fund our athletic dept.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 14, 2011 18:10:37 GMT -5
I remember how A&T was food stamps, section A housing poor this time last year......the next thing you know, Broadway is our head coach. For all of you negroes claiming we are Evans family broke, where is your proof? Did Martin or Hilton give a press conference in front of the cafeteria recently and say the school was about to close for lack of funds? The only things poor I see are the progress of our basketball program and the thinking of some fellow Aggies who believe that current Aggie bball is the best we can expect. I really am disappointed with the way some of us think.... Proof is in the department. That a baseball coach who has begged for money for years quits cause football gets more money. Proof is in Eaves recruiting budget is taken to fund Olympic sports. We ain't rich , money is just being moved. Hell we didn't fund Volleyball this year. Something else is going to suffer.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 14, 2011 18:12:04 GMT -5
People be real, you have no clue what it takes to get a championship caliber Basketball coach at A&T. Stop the assumptions. Central is doing it with less and we are still sticking up for an overpaid under achieving mediocre coach. Look at what we stand for and look at what we are producing. This is ridiculous. Central has 5 wins this year. 4 against Division II schools and a win over us. And how is Eaves overpaid and he makes less than the woman's coach
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 14, 2011 18:24:18 GMT -5
Hey as I see it, Eaves should not make as much as Bibbs. Heck, she wins! When he wins some games, he will get paid more but for now I think he's overpaid for his results. Stop worring about what the coach at NCCU is or isn't doing. I only care about what's happening with A&T. And from where I sit, we suck in mens basketball. As I read the comments above it sounds like some of you believes Eaves record would be better if he was paid more or had a bigger recruiting budget. That may be true but in the college sports world it doesn't work that way. A college coach has to prove that he or she can be competitive and win games before they get a bigger pay check or recruiting budget. Over the past 8 years Eaves has proved he cannot win at this level. So stop trying to make the case that his salary or limited recruiting budget is the reason the A&T men's team is so lousy.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 14, 2011 18:28:56 GMT -5
Hey as I see it, Eaves should not make as much as Bibbs. Heck, she wins! When he wins some games, he will get paid more but for now I think he's overpaid for his results. Stop worring about what the coach at NCCU is or isn't doing. I only care about what's happening with A&T. And from where I sit, we suck in mens basketball. As I read the comments above it sounds like some of you believes Eaves record would be better if he was paid more or had a bigger recruiting budget. That may be true but in the college sports world it doesn't work that way. A college coach has to prove that he or she can be competitive and win games before they get a bigger pay check or recruiting budget. Over the past 8 years Eaves has proved he cannot win at this level. So stop trying to make the case that his salary or limited recruiting budget is the reason the A&T men's team is so lousy. We suck in every sport except Woman's Basketball. But i guess no one can put one and one together. And we are ending sports due to lack of funds.... Man ya'll are pure comedy
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