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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2011 15:00:22 GMT -5
The first thing that came to mind when I saw the attendance was the decline in the economy. I would think that anyone that lives a consderable distance away (that plans several months ahead) would think twice about spending big bucks for a team, that most would have expected to be 1-4 at best 2-3. I say Game Zone was a non factor! yeah, but the economy didn't go bad just this year. its been bad for the last 3 years. yet, according to the above stats, homecoming attendance didn't drop last year nor the year before that either. the only change over the last 3 years of homecomings has been the fan zone which was implemented this year only. i don't think its just a coincidence that the fan zone was implemented this year and homecoming attendance also "declined" this year compared to the previous 2 years. i would argue that the fan zone was a factor this year and its part of the reason homecoming attendance went down. we certainly can't blame the weather for it declining, the weather couldn't have been any better...
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Post by Bigboy on Oct 18, 2011 15:00:56 GMT -5
The game zone should not be a factor. The tailgating should be for fans to eat before attending the game and eating after the game. If you are coming just to eat you can stay home and do that. There are a lot of aggies that don't contribute a penny to A&T. For those Aggies that don't donate money, the price of a game ticket should not even be an issue. We need your support in anyway we can get it.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2011 15:06:29 GMT -5
whether or not it was a sellout is irrelevant. whether attendance has gone up or down is what's relevant. now, i would agree there's several factors other than the fan zone such as ticket prices, weather, or the team's performance comes into play. but i don't think it matters whether it "technically" was a sellout or not...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 18, 2011 15:06:55 GMT -5
The game zone should not be a factor. The tailgating should be for fans to eat before attending the game and eating after the game. If you are coming just to eat you can stay home and do that. There are a lot of aggies that don't contribute a penny to A&T. For those Aggies that don't donate money, the price of a game ticket should not even be an issue. We need your support in anyway we can get it. I try to explain this all the time to some of my partners that dont donate and then complain about ticket prices. Their excuse over the last 8 years has been that they aint paying for that crap A&T is putting on the field. Now they have no excuse, but you just cant change people that are cheap. Well, one dude I know will pay for a game ticket if we are winning. But he wont step foot inside if we suck.
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 18, 2011 15:18:42 GMT -5
whether or not it was a sellout is irrelevant. whether attendance has gone up or down is what's relevant. now, i would agree there's several factors other than the fan zone such as ticket prices, weather, or the team's performance comes into play. but i don't think it matters whether it "technically" was a sellout or not... I think you missed the point of my post. It was simply to provide archival information of the 2005 non sell-out and subsequent fall-out. jeeez! ;D
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 18, 2011 15:21:01 GMT -5
I think folks are failing to understand a few things:
1. Aggies aren't really the type to be "guilted" into giving more. That's obvious. 2. There are diehard fans that have no problem with the game zone and think it was a good idea. 3. These fans are outnumbered by the casual Aggie fan that has no idea that Bill Hayes isn't the coach anymore, who Rod Broadway is, and that we have had four coaches in the past four years. 4. These fans are outnumbered by people who only go to games to chill at the tailgate and see the band. 4. These fans are far outnumbered by people who just show up at the tailgate to get some food and see some people.
The game zone will not increase attendance, period. More people will not pay the inflated price of our game tickets just to get a shot at the tailgate area. I'm shocked folks don't understand that. If you are a freeloader, you're not suddenly going to come up off of 25 bucks for the same experience. You won't even go to the gate, and neither will your one homey that did want to see the game, because he doesn't want to go alone and risk his ride leaving him. Therefore, attendance goes down and we lose money on the thing.
Who out there thought that attendance would go up as a result of this thing? I honestly can't believe I didn't realize until now, but I don't see how we can make any additional money by instituting this policy. We're not going to sell more tickets. Why would casual fans pay that type of money to get into the tailgate area and see the band? It doesn't make sense.
Everybody, the Aggie supporter is not the problem. How to make money off the freeloader and casual fan is the problem, and we just blew it. THEY JUST WON'T COME IN AT ALL.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 18, 2011 15:34:09 GMT -5
whether or not it was a sellout is irrelevant. whether attendance has gone up or down is what's relevant. now, i would agree there's several factors other than the fan zone such as ticket prices, weather, or the team's performance comes into play. but i don't think it matters whether it "technically" was a sellout or not... I think you missed the point of my post. It was simply to provide archival information of the 2005 non sell-out and subsequent fall-out. jeeez! ;D sorry, my bad...
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 18, 2011 15:37:02 GMT -5
Everybody, the Aggie supporter is not the problem. How to make money off the freeloader and casual fan is the problem, and we just blew it. THEY JUST WON'T COME IN AT ALL. Well, my wife and daughter did (they split after halftime) and apparently Decks' wife and friends did. Another friend of mine only tailgated in years past (I buy the tailgate pass for him) this year that was at least four ticket sales. Ticket sales will increase because the regulars will be regulars, and some of those in the other categories will buy tickets. Everybody in the other categories will not be 100% no.
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Post by Freeze on Oct 18, 2011 16:35:20 GMT -5
1. Aggies aren't really the type to be "guilted" into giving more. That's obvious. 2. There are diehard fans that have no problem with the game zone and think it was a good idea. 3. These fans are outnumbered by the casual Aggie fan that has no idea that Bill Hayes isn't the coach anymore, who Rod Broadway is, and that we have had four coaches in the past four years. 4. These fans are outnumbered by people who only go to games to chill at the tailgate and see the band. 4. These fans are far outnumbered by people who just show up at the tailgate to get some food and see some people. Sometimes I wonder if folks on this board understand this. This is the culture of black college football and it's been this way for DECADES. Folks on here acting as if the majority of so called black college fans ACTUALLY care about football. You can gripe and complain and get your panties in a bunch when I say that but its the cold hard truth...and there is no impassioned plea (written on a message board that most Aggie "fans" have no clue exist) or game zone that is going to change that. So as much as some of yall are thumping yall chest and saying damn the folks who want to come socialize and tailgate without buying a game ticket...those folks outnumber the passionate follower and true supporters of Aggie football BY A LOT. The game zone is an attempt to break down the culture that has surrounded black college football for decades...good luck with that.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 18, 2011 19:22:35 GMT -5
It's about the entertainment doillar. These same people will spend the money on some other form of entertainment so why not A&T.
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Post by Freeze on Oct 18, 2011 21:25:51 GMT -5
It's about the entertainment doillar. These same people will spend the money on some other form of entertainment so why not A&T. Because black college fans aren't "entertained" by the same things as fans of PWI football. The overwhelming majority of the folks who pay money to go in the stadium are there for the bands and to be seen. Black college football fans don't cheer. In fact we have to be told when to cheer. On third down...on big defensive stops, etc. Black college football fans aren't concerned about wearing school colors. Black college football fans generally leave after the third quarter. Black college football fans are not very knowledgeable about the inner workings and recent developments behind the program. I would dare say that this pertains to at least 80% of the people who enter the stadium...probably more. And this is applicable to ALL black college programs and has been for decades. So the 20% who care, who support the program with dollars and checks, who come to this website to exchange in discussion and debate, who wear their colors proudly to the game, who actually would sit through an Aggie football game IN THE RAIN...want to say to hell with the other 80% who come for everything else and make them pay to be within a hundred yards of the stadium. This is not going to end well.
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Post by codeblu78 on Oct 18, 2011 21:53:29 GMT -5
The first thing that came to mind when I saw the attendance was the decline in the economy. I would think that anyone that lives a consderable distance away (that plans several months ahead) would think twice about spending big bucks for a team, that most would have expected to be 1-4 at best 2-3. I say Game Zone was a non factor! yeah, but the economy didn't go bad just this year. its been bad for the last 3 years. yet, according to the above stats, homecoming attendance didn't drop last year nor the year before that either. the only change over the last 3 years of homecomings has been the fan zone which was implemented this year only. i don't think its just a coincidence that the fan zone was implemented this year and homecoming attendance also "declined" this year compared to the previous 2 years. i would argue that the fan zone was a factor this year and its part of the reason homecoming attendance went down. we certainly can't blame the weather for it declining, the weather couldn't have been any better... East coast average for gas Oct 2010 was $2.80/gal.
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Post by aggielove on Oct 19, 2011 16:03:50 GMT -5
My wife made a suggestion to me when she heard about the game zone . . . she would be willing to pay a reduced fee to enter the gates if there was some entertainment option (pre or post game) that they were selling. not sure how doable something like that is, but I know she didn't stick around campus when she saw what it looked like by the stadium on Homecoming.
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Post by saabman on Oct 19, 2011 17:15:47 GMT -5
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