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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 13:52:34 GMT -5
The Students shouldn't be charged. They will have parking pass to park on campus and there isn't a way to know if they stay on campus or not. I would be really P/O'd if I had to pay to park in a lot in front of a dorm I stay in and I am not even going to a game. yeah, but most students who live on campus aren't gonna drive their car from their dorm to the stadium. especially if they reside on the stadium side of campus. i'd still charge students 5 bucks because they don't have to move their cars from their dorm parking lots. but most alums and visitors can't do that... $5 each game for students after they pay all that money in student fees and parking fees? Kind of harsh, don't you think? |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 2, 2011 13:56:22 GMT -5
/quote] 77, football games are a "social event". folk come out to socialize as well as to attend the game. the more festive our atmosphere is, the more folk will come. why make our atmosphere inside the fence a ghost town? can't speak for anybody else, but i'm a season ticket holder and its appealing to me to have the grills burning and the music playing outside of aggie stadium. the minute you start charging folk to do that, that festive atmosphere will disappear and our game day experience will become as dull as corbett center. hence, less fans will come. we do not offer the kind of product yet that folk will come out just for the game alone. tailgating is a major part of the pregame and postgame activities. you can't force people to purchase tickets just because you won't let them tailgate. if you want folk to purchase tickets, how 'bout winning some darn football games! don't tax the fans, we're lucky to have whatever fans we already have given the woes of our program. and now you want to tax them even though we haven't given them "anything" in return for their money? not a good idea. we're not saying never do it. we're saying wait until we turn our program around. folk ain't knocking down doors to watch our team play, so when you takeaway an aspect of game day that folk enjoy, what's left? Again, what fans? Nothing would change for tailgaters. They pay a fee for the space, and most are season ticket holders. Those that aren't would gladly pay additional $5 per person, if not there will be plenty people that will take the prime spots in front of the Stadium. This doesn't impact season ticket holders, gold helmet members, students, Gameday ticket holders, or will call (parents, coaches etc.). So the ghost town you speak of is fictional at best. Again, just because we don't offer anything "Inside The Fence" now, that doesn't mean that is the future approach (a narrow perspective I might add). As I suggested above expand the vendor area, expand the concession outside the stadium put up a Jumbotron. Let kids 12 and under in free. I agree we have to enhance the Gameday experience with activities inside the fence, but doing nothing is an easy option, good luck with that revenue stream. This is the best opportunity to make something happen. Anybody with a single marketing brain cell would be ready to kick this off by the Spring Game. But personally, I don't care give a crap if it's a ghost town or not, I don't even care if the band shows up. But that's me. I'm there for the game. If it was a ghost town I would miss Capt Aggie's fried fish, but when that whistle blows I would forget about that. Parking is a partial solution, but that would require additional human resources to collect money (all cash) secure the money, count the money, account for the money, transport the money. That is why we changed back to free lots. Somehow we would have to setup some type of 50/50 relationship with campus organizations (frats, soros, etc.) to man the Gameday parking lots.  i don't think you get it. our attendance figures are on the "decline". charging "anything" just to enter the outer gate is a "deterrent" to attendance, not an encouragement for folks to attend football games. i think you're just playing dumb for the sake of an argument. anybody can see that charging a fee just to enter the outer gate will run folk away and clearly damage our game day experience. its a "no brainer" for most rational folk to understand... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 2, 2011 13:59:19 GMT -5
yeah, but most students who live on campus aren't gonna drive their car from their dorm to the stadium. especially if they reside on the stadium side of campus. i'd still charge students 5 bucks because they don't have to move their cars from their dorm parking lots. but most alums and visitors can't do that... $5 each game for students after they pay all that money in student fees and parking fees? Kind of harsh, don't you think? no, because they can park in the dorm parking lots for free. they're young, it won't hurt them to walk from the dorms to the stadium. how lazy must you be to reside on campus but drive from your dorm to the stadium? we have a nice sized campus, but it ain't that big... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 2, 2011 14:37:45 GMT -5
But personally, I don't care give a crap if it's a ghost town or not, I don't even care if the band shows up. But that's me. I'm there for the game. If it was a ghost town I would miss Capt Aggie's fried fish, but when that whistle blows I would forget about that. Parking is a partial solution, but that would require additional human resources to collect money (all cash) secure the money, count the money, account for the money, transport the money. That is why we changed back to free lots. Somehow we would have to setup some type of 50/50 relationship with campus organizations (frats, soros, etc.) to man the Gameday parking lots. |
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Post by Aggie77 on Mar 2, 2011 14:52:26 GMT -5
i don't think you get it. our attendance figures are on the "decline". charging "anything" just to enter the outer gate is a "deterrent" to attendance, not an encouragement for folks to attend football games. i think you're just playing dumb for the sake of an argument. anybody can see that charging a fee just to enter the outer gate will run folk away and clearly damage our game day experience. its a "no brainer" for most rational folk to understand... I just trying to understand your point. I'll ask again who is being deterred? Is it the tailgate holders, the season ticket holders, gold helmet members, students, the Gameday ticket holders, people on the will call list? Granted winning will increase stadium attendence, but i don't see how winning will change people minds that just come to hang-out. What are we detering them from? They aren't coming to see the game. They are just coming to hang-out, cool, $5 please! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 14:53:23 GMT -5
$5 each game for students after they pay all that money in student fees and parking fees? Kind of harsh, don't you think? no, because they can park in the dorm parking lots for free. they're young, it won't hurt them to walk from the dorms to the stadium. how lazy must you be to reside on campus but drive from your dorm to the stadium? we have a nice sized campus, but it ain't that big... What about those students that live off campus? You shouldn't charge them either. They pay student fees and should have a parking pass anyways. Either way, students should not be charged, period. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 2, 2011 15:08:17 GMT -5
no, because they can park in the dorm parking lots for free. they're young, it won't hurt them to walk from the dorms to the stadium. how lazy must you be to reside on campus but drive from your dorm to the stadium? we have a nice sized campus, but it ain't that big... What about those students that live off campus? You shouldn't charge them either. They pay student fees and should have a parking pass anyways. Either way, students should not be charged, period. they can park in the dorm parking lots for free too. they pay for parking passes to attend classes, not to attend football games. we're only talking 5 bucks. they don't have to pay for game tickets per se' (its included in their student fee) and if you can afford to live off campus, you can afford to pay a $5 parking fee. when you've got willing customers who will pay $10 to park there, why would you want students to take up all the spaces for free? sorta like the reserve sections in the stadium and corbett. if you're willing to pay extra, enjoy the best seating. if not, enjoy the next best thing. but seriously, westcoast, i've never seen free parking at football games for students when i travel to other schools. i don't think they would have major heartache if they had to park at one of the dorm parking lots should they not want to cough up 5 bucks. but i appreciate you sticking up for the students... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 2, 2011 15:16:34 GMT -5
i don't think you get it. our attendance figures are on the "decline". charging "anything" just to enter the outer gate is a "deterrent" to attendance, not an encouragement for folks to attend football games. i think you're just playing dumb for the sake of an argument. anybody can see that charging a fee just to enter the outer gate will run folk away and clearly damage our game day experience. its a "no brainer" for most rational folk to understand... I just trying to understand your point. I'll ask again who is being deterred? Is it the tailgate holders, the season ticket holders, gold helmet members, students, the Gameday ticket holders, people on the will call list? Granted winning will increase stadium attendence, but i don't see how winning will change people minds that just come to hang-out. What are we detering them from? They aren't coming to see the game. They are just coming to hang-out, cool, $5 please! elements of "everybody" you mentioned above would be deterred because it spoils the game day experience. and you're right, winning won't change the minds of all of the folks who just come to hangout. but it'll change the minds of some of them and many more who don't hang out. when that happens, we won't need the free loaders anymore because attendance will increase and there would still be plenty of folk contributing to a festive atmosphere because of that increase. that's why i stated that we should wait until we turn our program around before considering to charge a fan zone fee. 77, clearly you're just being argumentive...  |
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Post by Aggie77 on Mar 2, 2011 15:50:10 GMT -5
elements of "everybody" you mentioned above would be deterred because it spoils the game day experience. and you're right, winning won't change the minds of all of the folks who just come to hangout. but it'll change the minds of some of them and many more who don't hang out. when that happens, we won't need the free loaders anymore because attendance will increase and there would still be plenty of folk contributing to a festive atmosphere because of that increase. that's why i stated that we should wait until we turn our program around before considering to charge a fan zone fee. 77, clearly you're just being argumentive... See that's what I don't get, and completely disagree with! What is the basis those statements. Nothing changes for these people. They come and go as before. It appears that you have some affinity for the people just hanging out. . . . and clearly you have taken a very weak position. Your only basis for not doing a Fan Zone is because it will deter the people just hanging out. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 2, 2011 16:43:04 GMT -5
77, i've almost written a "book" worth of posts on this subject. i ask that you re-read them because i'm not gonna re-type them. do you understand what "atmosphere" means? do you understand what "attendance decline" means? that's what i think you don't understand or else like i previously stated, you're just playing dumb...
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Post by aggie2008 on Mar 2, 2011 18:02:32 GMT -5
does anyone know how much student parking passes cost?
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Post by Aggie77 on Mar 2, 2011 21:56:26 GMT -5
77, i've almost written a "book" worth of posts on this subject. i ask that you re-read them because i'm not gonna re-type them. do you understand what "atmosphere" means? do you understand what "attendance decline" means? that's what i think you don't understand or else like i previously stated, you're just playing dumb... I understand, you are a status quo guy. You want to wait to make change. 1st it was tailgating restrictions, then it was a ghost town, then it deterring. When those arguments were mitigated you put forth the weakest argument yet, you have almost written a book. The first chapter in that book must be about how to wait, because that appears to be your solution; wait. No solutions for increasing revenue, no solution increasing attendance, no solution for enhancing the gameday experience. It doesn't appear to be many Fan Zones out there, but it coming to a stadium near you. www.bluehens.com/fan-zone/gameday-central.htmlFan Zone New for the 2010 season! The Blue Hens Fan Zone opens two hours prior to kick-off and is located outside the west gate main entrance of Delaware Stadium. Enjoy live music, concessions, inflatable games, autographs, merchandise, and much more! The Coop Adjacent to the Fan Zone, enjoy pregame beverages, food and NCAA football gameday coverage while socializing with fellow Blue Hen football fans in "The Coop" this season. Opens 2 hours prior to kick-off, with last call 15 minutes prior to kick-off. Must be at least 21 years of age AND have purchased a p game ticket to enter this designated area. Valid photo ID with your birthdate will be required for entry. www.aggieathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082404aab.htmlEvery home game brings something new to the Aggie Fan Zone including special guests, attractions, and games. Each home game a different A&M athletic team will be on site for photos and autographs. Plus, legendary former A&M athletes will be signing autographs and posing for photos on a weekly basis. The Aggie Fan Zone opens three and a half hours before kickoff and closes 30 minutes prior to kick. Admission is free. Several unique Aggieland food favorites will be offering a wide variety of selections at the Aggie Fan Zone like C&J Barbeque, Chicken Oil Company, Slovacek Sausage, Wing �N More, and C&L Nuts. Plus Chipotle, and Papa John�s will be on hand. Fans will also find soft drinks, water, Lemon Chill, and snow cones at the Aggie Fan Zone. Purchases in the Aggie Fan Zone will be cash based only. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 22:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by aggiebred09 on Mar 3, 2011 8:53:42 GMT -5
Every student on or off campus that drives has to have a parking decal issued by parking services. Those vehicles with the decals should be the only ones in a lot for free. Laurel, Craig, Union and NCB are the best places to charge for parking because there is minimal student use on the weekend. You could also designate a Student Parking lot some where by the cafe and let all students park there for free.
The only way I can see paying anything extra to enter the gate but not the stadium would be if the university had a big screen outside the stadium showing the game. Other than that you are killing the hype of Game Day by charging to walk around and smell fish. Until we have proof of a product inside and outside of the stadium we would be killing potential by charging for a pre-conceived atmosphere that none of us nor the university create solely.
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Post by aggie2008 on Mar 3, 2011 10:38:14 GMT -5
thanks. i already knew the price because as an off campus student I have to buy one every year, i just wanted the other posters to see how much we already have to pay for parking that is scarce already |
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i don't think you get it. our attendance figures are on the "decline". charging "anything" just to enter the outer gate is a "deterrent" to attendance, not an encouragement for folks to attend football games. 
