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Post by Maxell on Dec 23, 2008 12:34:51 GMT -5
I also think there's nothing wrong with the rule itself. The problem was that at the time the Chancellor and the AD were at odds. In the current senario with Wheels and Battle, I would think that there would not be a problem. All the "Hackley Rule" says is that the Chancellor(rather than the Coach or AD) has final say on transfers with "trouble" in their backgrounds. That's fair.
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 23, 2008 23:01:04 GMT -5
It was more of an unyielding interpretation of the ex-chancellor and undue influence asserted from certain people in the administration that was th real problem with the rule.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 26, 2008 12:12:57 GMT -5
I agree. If the kid wasn't an athlete would he be held to the additional scrutiny of having to wait for the Chancellor's ok to enroll?
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 26, 2008 13:22:06 GMT -5
It can't be the Football HC or AD on the final say because of the obvious conflict of interest, why not let the parent have the final say then? Who says that A&T needs to be choice of last resort for second and third chances, plus it’s probably their eighth or ninth LAST chance anyway. That who’s gonna help if we don’t argument is BS. Who is helping the ones that didn’t get the first chance and deserved it? What last chance player came to A&T and became a Judge Mathis and put foot in the MEAC. Was it Mo Hicks, was it A. Hooker, was it E. Tuner, was it G. Ragsdale, it wasn’t L. Harriston. Who would you prefer?
Recruit the players you want and develop them. Plus the rule doesn't prevent them from enrolling at A&T, it restricts their privilege to participate in intercollegiate athletics. If they want to prove themselves, do it in the classroom first, after all this is their so called second chance let them prove they really want it. If the Chancellor meets with these so-called student-athlete and their parents, and decides no, or if he says yes I stand with him, because he’s accountable for the total University.
Now with that said, I agree there is a difference between a misdemeanor and a felony and a marginal difference between distribution and possession, but that’s why the Chancellor should have a role. If we have more than two of these cases a year, then we have another problem
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Post by Maxell on Dec 26, 2008 13:45:09 GMT -5
I agree. If the kid wasn't an athlete would he be held to the additional scrutiny of having to wait for the Chancellor's ok to enroll? That's not the point. A&T athletes will be under additional PUBLIC scrutiny, particularly by the News-Record. Until the public image of our school can supercede bad pub, then the rule is not a bad thing given that the chancellor (in the current media environment) would have to answer questions about those kind of situations anyway. As long as the chancellor and the AD work together there should be no issues that can't be handled.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 26, 2008 14:03:44 GMT -5
Good point.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 27, 2008 11:05:48 GMT -5
Don't forget about Wayne Campbell. He didn't accomplish anything.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 27, 2008 15:55:31 GMT -5
Well I know for a fact of a few players that were denied admissions by A&T that went to other MEAC schools and proceeded to play very well against us. So take it how you want to take it. They got into other MEAC schools and did fine. If yall think you can win consistantly in the MEAC with just High School Recruits and a few JUCOS man that's just crazy. Hampton 3 man front consisted of 3 D1A Transfers and South Carolina State 4 man defensive front consisted of 2 D1A transfers. They make a BIG difference. Last year when Del State won it they had a total of 11 D1A transfers on their roster. It's important. I'm thinking about the D1A transfers we had that did nothing spectacular. Demerick Chancellor Brandon Croley Robert Russell Sergio Glenn Hell can somebody help me! Are there anymore in Fobbs era? Based on your comments we are talking two different issues. It appears that your issue is about regular D1 transfers (which is all of the ones you mentioned), when this thread is about D1 transfers that have been suspended or expelled from their previous team or school and additionally may or may not have criminal judgments pending. The latter would require the Chancellor's review and the former is a normal admission issue faced every student. Now if you are suggesting that our admission standards are higher than other schools, so be it, but unlikely. If you are suggesting that our admission process is a bureaucratic, antiquated maze of differencing results, then you are probably right and that requires a reengineering process that will also probably require the Chancellor’s review and initiation. I don’t think anybody is suggesting that we avoid D1 transfers, only those with criminal behavior issues. I'm all for second chances, but how and when is it determined that a person deserves a second chance?
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Post by hollywoodswagga on Dec 27, 2008 17:35:45 GMT -5
Division 1A transfers do not make “A BIG DIFFERENCE”. How many transfers did the Richmond Spiders have this past season...or App State? Secondly, how many players from MEAC schools that continued their playing careers in either the NFL, AFL, or CFL were Division 1A transfers? I have worked closely with App State and personally know a few NFL scouts...and they all tell me that there isn't really that big of a drop off from D-1A to D-1AA players, especially the starting skill position players. They tell me that the biggest difference, is that the D-1A players have access to better coaching and weight programs. Not being coached up is like bringing a knife to a gunfight...no matter how talented you are, you always be at a disadvantage if you do not have proper coaching.
So if D-1A transfers don't make "A BIG DIFFERENCE", then what does? Technique and Fundamentals...I once heard a successful coach of a prominent program say "you don't win games during the season...you win them during the off-season". That is when you refine your technique and fundamentals, into muscle memory. For instance, during the summer every school has summer workout program but if you do not utilize your time efficiently you start off behind. At the winning programs that I have been apart of the OC and DC have a script of about fifty plays that they give the players to work on during 7 on 7 drills so players are not out there blind during the drills on there own. The offense does not know what the defense is running and vice versa so they can work and look at different reads. At most Division 1 schools during the off-season, individual drills and team drills such as 7-on-7 are ran at least 4 days a week, from January through July. So technique and fundamentals are perfected, and chemistry is formed between the players. This is something that is not taking place at A&T. At A&T the players lift and run throughout, but wait until July to start working on football. And when the workouts finally take place, they are unorganized, and the players that are going to actually be on the field are either at home, or working overtime in the classroom in order to be eligible.
And what I was saying earlier, is that in D-1 everyone's 1st 11 is pretty good. Every D-1 team is going to have some people on it who could play at USC or Texas. What separates the good teams from the bad teams is depth. You might be able to play with USC's first 11, but it's going to be really hard to play with their 2nd and 3rd 11. That's how they blow people out...not to mention the fact that they are well coached...because the best schools get the best coaches. And that being said, every game still comes down to 5 to 6 plays...so if you think about it, that's all that really separates every team from each other. Think about the App-Michigan game...5 to 6 plays...the only difference is that App made more of (or the most important of) the 5 to 6 plays than Michigan (the blocked field goal on the last play).
However, it is the coach's responsibility to create a culture where these things happen like clockwork. Another thing that helps Division 1-A players DEVELOP is the bowl season (play-offs for 1-AA teams). The difference between spring ball and bowl practice is that spring practice allows 15 practices, where as in bowl season you can practice as many times as you want. This is where the younger players develop. During bowl season, after the 1's and 2's finish their preparation, the 3's and red shirts usually scrimmage. Actually playing football is the best way to get better at it, which is what takes place during bowl season. What I'm getting at, is that in order to progress you need as many repetitions as possible in order to perfect your technique and fundamentals...you are what you consistently do.
Its funny how you are perceived not to be good when you are on a losing team or not doing well, it is easy to say there is no talent but there is TALENT here just not being taught proper techniques, fundamentals and a competitive environment.
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Post by dj98 on Dec 27, 2008 21:31:28 GMT -5
Division 1A transfers do not make “A BIG DIFFERENCE”.
Yes they do ask Hayes.....
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Post by Maxell on Dec 27, 2008 23:29:21 GMT -5
Our kids don't love it enough to do those things on there on. And it's only so far the coach can push. They wanted to get better. that's not happening around here. Why do you think that is?
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Post by hollywoodswagga on Dec 28, 2008 0:33:43 GMT -5
Because with this last coaching staff they did not establish a competitive environment and did not teach the players how to win. Again that starts at the top with the coaches. You can not rely on freshman to know how to win at this level on any level of football. You can have the best recruiting class and if you are not taught proper techniques you will fall short of expectations every year. Why has the University of Notre Dame struggled the past few years? Is it the players? Or are the players not being taught how to win? Maybe because as soon as they set foot on campus they were given starting jobs without earning them?(That also was the case here) Because on paper they have one of the best recruiting classes the past few years. Now I understand we do not have the budget as some of the major Universities but if you are going to tell me that Northern Iowa, Wofford, James Madison, Montana and Elon have more athletes then what we have here at N.C. A&T then you are sadly mistaken and can appreciate the talent we have here. And in my humble opinion this is the problem with some of our coaches now "Its not us its yall" these coaches need to take a look in the mirror and reevaluate themselves. I know some might feel that are the worlds best coach and part of the best coaching staff however there are many flaws with football teams at HBCU's which is not ALL ON THE STUDENT ATHLETES. Do your JOB and coach without excuses because excuses are tools of incompetence. Teach players proper techniques and fundamentals, establish a competitive environment, and show how to win. "Football is not chess, its checkers."
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 28, 2008 9:02:40 GMT -5
Division 1A transfers do not make “A BIG DIFFERENCE”. Yes they do ask Hayes..... deej, how many I-A transfers contributed on Hayes' last MEAC championship team? I know he had a decent amount on his subsequent underachieving teams, but his actually MEAC champs? I think seniors (especially fifth-year seniors) that are hungry, well-coached, well-versed in the system, and believe in themselves, the system, and their coaching staff make a much bigger difference. When a guy only shows up on your doorstep because he's in trouble or couldn't get playing time, how much are we really expecting out of him? What I-A transfers have had a great impact here? I know other schools seem to get a lot out of them. A&T? I don't think this is the place for them.
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Post by truthseeker on Dec 28, 2008 14:29:43 GMT -5
its hard to establish anything when you fire coaches every 3 yrs... it takes on avg. 2-3 yrs for a recruit to mature... in small & fobbs 1st yr. they did not have a chance to really recruit... so by yr. 3 you fire them when their 1st true recruiting class were redshirt freshmen...
if you are a super recruiter... a recruit will be ready to give quality help in 1 yr...
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 28, 2008 14:37:13 GMT -5
Coach 205, we won the MEAC in 1999 with a bunch of redshirt seniors and true seniors that had gone 7-4 the prior year and were picked fifth in the preseason polls. They took that chip on their shoulder and rode it to an 11-2 record. The two losses were to the only two pwcs we played. And they were bad losses.
The next few years we had a slew of I-A kids transfer in and went 8-3 and 8-3. At one point we had FIVE Parade All-Americans and honorable mentions on the roster. We pretty much had the most talented starting 22 in the state. It got us 8-3.
The I-A superstars = 9-3 and the kids nobody believed had a chance got us 11-2.
Coach, why did you come? I took one look at the staff and said outside of Rags only one guy appears to have any history of success at the position he's been hired to do, and he's going to be so overworked it won't help. It appeared to be doomed to failure to me from the start.
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