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Post by saabman on Dec 30, 2023 14:28:46 GMT -5
Anytime we lose a kid who signed a LOI in less than a week, we need to do a full review of the process and implement some corrective actions. We would be fools not to. Just chalking it up as a loss and moving on, is not realistic. I repeat, this was not just a non-binding commitment and the kid suddenly had a change of heart. We put out a graphic that says he actually signed a LOI with us. Also, we dont have an unlimited budget for recruiting. Money was spent on travel costs and hotel accommodations and official paperwork had to be submitted. Thilla I'm not disagreeing with you at all . If this was a Broadway type situation with the administration, this should have been addressed and corrected before Coach Brown's arrival and Coach Brown should have known what steps to take when recruiting transfer athletes graduate or not . Coach Brown in my opinion is a detailed orientated head coach so I feel that he covered all the bases with this young man and the administration. So in my opinion the young man just changed his mind and asked for release from his LOI so that he could pursue other recruitment options. As a recruiting buddy said to me one time . When we were discussing a recruit that decommited and asked for a release from his NLI "UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES" is just a polite away to say they are not interested in the program at this time and in the same breath leaving the door cracked if the other options don't work out"😆 Now if it's on the administrative institutional side that's a conversation that should be had with the AD .
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 30, 2023 15:20:33 GMT -5
This needs to stop . The kid has decommitted this we know circumstantial or otherwise we don't know. So if the young man has moved on why can't we. Some on here have the ear of the administration and it shouldn't be hard for them to find out if it was and administrative process error or not. If it was not an administration's process error then the obvious would be the kid did not want to be part of the program and we should be moving on. ^^^^What he said^^^^ Just opens up an opportunity for somebody else...next man up. Come on guys, this isn’t a responsible way to move in a recruiting process. What we are talking about is, we have pretty much landed a kid until he/she finds out they have a paperwork issue of some kind. We have to be strategic in how we recruit, there is no bottomless recruiting budget so, at no time can we be comfortable with this type of scenario.
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Post by saabman on Dec 30, 2023 15:43:04 GMT -5
^^^^What he said^^^^ Just opens up an opportunity for somebody else...next man up. Come on guys, this isn’t a responsible way to move in a recruiting process. What we are talking about is, we have pretty much landed a kid until he/she finds out they have a paperwork issue of some kind. We have to be strategic in how we recruit, there is no bottomless recruiting budget so, at no time can we be comfortable with this type of scenario. No one is comfortable, at least I'm not with this situation or scenario because we really don't know the facts other then what the youngman has stated ,which could be numerous reasons to include he doesn't want to be an Aiggie. If there is an issue it should be corrected ASAP moving forward.
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Post by planoaggie on Dec 30, 2023 16:41:16 GMT -5
I see 2 debates here. First, I don't think no one is at a disagreement that we must move on from the OL player being released from his NLI or decommitment. The 2nd debate is understanding how this happened and should we concern ourselves about it right now. This is where I see the big difference between those in this thread.
I believe we should be questioning this now as to how this happened. His post was cryptic. Did he sign or not? Did he decommit, request a release, or denied admission? Were there truly unforseen circumstances or a polite way to let the fans know he changed his mind? To avoid this happening again these questions need to be addressed maybe not by us but someone. Our primary interest is to determine how well our recruiting process is streamlined to handle these type of situations. In essence, evaluate our recruiting process.
Would you not want to know if our coaches or A&T are posting sign notices before they receive the player signed NLI? This is embarrassing. Would you not want to know that our coaches or A&T is kind-hearted to understand that a player changed his mind and A&T was forgiving instead of pursuing legal action? I would want to know what kind of coach we have hired or how A&T deals with young players with problems.
We at times are so defensive in protecting the coaches or institution that we jump down each other's throats on simple or honest inquisitive questions that present no harm. Can anyone tell me the harm in asking what went wrong instead of deflection and avoidance of the question? Stating the player moved on and we should to does not address the question. If this has occurred before, then why is it not fixed. Coach Brown is a new head coach and is not beyond making a mistake. Since no one is perfect, I can accept his mistake but to ignore that a mistake "may have happened on our part" is unacceptable.
And by the way, asking what happened to an early signing recruit that decommitted is applicable and not off topic or off the rail. His post was cryptic. He could have easily said I changed my mind and asked for a release or I never signed the NLI agreement and decided to decommit. No speculation needed after that.
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Post by A&T-roy on Dec 30, 2023 17:51:33 GMT -5
This thread keeps going off the rails based on speculation... Yeah. "We" have NO idea (at least nobody has said they know) what happened and are saying this and that needs to be done. Best things to say: - I wonder what happened. - Does anybody know what happened? - Can somebody find out what happened? #Smh
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Post by A&T-roy on Dec 30, 2023 18:09:17 GMT -5
I see 2 debates here. First, I don't think no one is at a disagreement that we must move on from the OL player being released from his NLI or decommitment. The 2nd debate is understanding how this happened and should we concern ourselves about it right now. This is where I see the big difference between those in this thread. I believe we should be questioning this now as to how this happened. His post was encrypted. Did he sign or not? Did he decommit, request a release, or denied admission? Were there truly unforseen circumstances or a polite way to let the fans know he changed his mind? To avoid this happening again these questions need to be addressed maybe not by us but someone. Our primary interest is to determine how well our recruiting process is streamlined to handle these type of situations. In essence, evaluate our recruiting process. Would you not want to know if our coaches or A&T are posting sign notices before they receive the player signed NLI? This is embarrassing. Would you not want to know that our coaches or A&T is kind-hearted to understand that a player changed his mind and A&T was forgiving instead of pursuing legal action? I would want to know what kind of coach we have hired or how A&T deals with young players with problems. We at times are so defensive in protecting the coaches or institution that we jump down each other's throats on simple or honest inquisitive questions that present no harm. Can anyone tell me the harm in asking what went wrong instead of deflection and avoidance of the question? Stating the player moved on and we should to does not address the question. If this has occurred before, then why is it not fixed. Coach Brown is a new head coach and is not beyond making a mistake. Since no one is perfect, I can accept his mistake but to ignore that a mistake "may have happened on our part" is unacceptable. And by the way, asking what happened to an early signing recruit that decommitted is applicable and not off topic or off the rail. His post was encrypted. He could have easily said I changed my mind and asked for a release or I never signed the NLI agreement and decided to decommit. No speculation needed after that. Just a little adjustment on a word: encrypted should be cryptic
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Post by Maxell on Dec 30, 2023 18:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 30, 2023 18:22:18 GMT -5
This thread keeps going off the rails based on speculation... Yeah. "We" have NO idea (at least nobody has said they know) what happened and are saying this and that needs to be done. Best things to say: - I wonder what happened. - Does anybody know what happened? - Can somebody find out what happened? #Smh No offense we seem to always find ourselves asking those 3 questions when something goes off the rails. That’s the story of the program dating all the way back to Raynard getting hurt the week before the Central game in 2016. But, my point is, we cannot afford to be a step slow or behind when issues arises. We have to proactively plan for contingency at all times, that’s all.
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Post by planoaggie on Dec 30, 2023 19:58:28 GMT -5
I see 2 debates here. First, I don't think no one is at a disagreement that we must move on from the OL player being released from his NLI or decommitment. The 2nd debate is understanding how this happened and should we concern ourselves about it right now. This is where I see the big difference between those in this thread. I believe we should be questioning this now as to how this happened. His post was cryptic. Did he sign or not? Did he decommit, request a release, or denied admission? Were there truly unforseen circumstances or a polite way to let the fans know he changed his mind? To avoid this happening again these questions need to be addressed maybe not by us but someone. Our primary interest is to determine how well our recruiting process is streamlined to handle these type of situations. In essence, evaluate our recruiting process. Would you not want to know if our coaches or A&T are posting sign notices before they receive the player signed NLI? This is embarrassing. Would you not want to know that our coaches or A&T is kind-hearted to understand that a player changed his mind and A&T was forgiving instead of pursuing legal action? I would want to know what kind of coach we have hired or how A&T deals with young players with problems. We at times are so defensive in protecting the coaches or institution that we jump down each other's throats on simple or honest inquisitive questions that present no harm. Can anyone tell me the harm in asking what went wrong instead of deflection and avoidance of the question? Stating the player moved on and we should to does not address the question. If this has occurred before, then why is it not fixed. Coach Brown is a new head coach and is not beyond making a mistake. Since no one is perfect, I can accept his mistake but to ignore that a mistake "may have happened on our part" is unacceptable. And by the way, asking what happened to an early signing recruit that decommitted is applicable and not off topic or off the rail. His post was cryptic. He could have easily said I changed my mind and asked for a release or I never signed the NLI agreement and decided to decommit. No speculation needed after that. Just a little adjustment on a word: encrypted should be cryptic Thank you. I will go back and edit my post.
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Post by planoaggie on Dec 30, 2023 20:08:22 GMT -5
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Post by aggie30 on Dec 30, 2023 23:43:19 GMT -5
A lot of student athletes will go back get a second undergrad degree. Like they said a lot of players finish early because they go year round and they transfer with credits from high school.
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Post by A&T-roy on Dec 31, 2023 0:41:55 GMT -5
Yeah. "We" have NO idea (at least nobody has said they know) what happened and are saying this and that needs to be done. Best things to say: - I wonder what happened. - Does anybody know what happened? - Can somebody find out what happened? #Smh No offense we seem to always find ourselves asking those 3 questions when something goes off the rails. That’s the story of the program dating all the way back to Raynard getting hurt the week before the Central game in 2016. But, my point is, we cannot afford to be a step slow or behind when issues arises. We have to proactively plan for contingency at all times, that’s all. No problem with that. My issue is with people basically making declarations about things they don't know about. And I expect asking those questions happened LONG before 2016...maybe even from the start of our athletics/football program.
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Post by A&T-roy on Dec 31, 2023 0:46:00 GMT -5
"Speculation" is different from "declaration". Agreed?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 31, 2023 15:30:12 GMT -5
"decommits" don't look good. tells me that those who "decommit" never were "strong" commitments in the first place... Not necessarily. Could be other reasons other than their commitment. true, there could be other reasons but it still doesn't look good no matter what the reason(s) was. i don't recall too many (if any) decommits that we've experienced in the past. but when a team goes from 7-4 to 1-10, that "hurts" recruiting and could change the minds of those recruits who may have been "leaning" towards signing with a&t...
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Post by A&T-roy on Dec 31, 2023 17:27:51 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Could be other reasons other than their commitment. true, there could be other reasons but it still doesn't look good no matter what the reason(s) was. i don't recall too many (if any) decommits that we've experienced in the past. but when a team goes from 7-4 to 1-10, that "hurts" recruiting and could change the minds of those recruits who may have been "leaning" towards signing with a&t... This kid visited and committed to AggieLand well after the football season was over. Then he, apparently, signed after that.
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