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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 10:22:48 GMT -5
i dont quite get the point of what you are saying, so I cant say I agree with you about anything. What does Brown have to do to fix the problem in your eyes? In my eyes there appears to be multiple areas we need to improve in and/or fix. I just don't know if all of these can be fixed this season, especially if it is a coach problem or lack of team talent. I just don't like the Broadway comparison where folks don't factor in all the factors in their comparison analysis. What I(and other) are saying to you is "Change your sentence below to"..... "I just don't know if all of these can be fixed this season, especially if it is a coach problem or lack of team talent."Here's the reason we bring up Broadway. He had a much less "talent" and the offense didn't look this terrible. He is the benchmark us fans have to compare Brown to. Thats why that season is brought up. We put up two 40 point games and several 20 point games that year and had a total of 29 full rides. You say the comp was less. Not really. This Elon team was not that good. They wont even be that good I dont think. If NCCU makes the CB, FAMU will dust them off. But getting pass Morgan will be a challenge for them as well. Fobbs era, in all its futility still moved the football. He could at least hit you with some "Paper Raper" for catches 30 or 40 yards a pop.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Sept 18, 2023 10:25:30 GMT -5
I don't need to compare our current plight to Broadway, Fobbs, Small, Forte or any other past head coach. We have not gotten into the meat of our schedule and have played the WORST OFFEENSIVE BRAND OF FOOTBALL I'VE EVER SEEN!
I could give a damn less what Broadway had or didn't have......our offense sucks to historic proportions. 143 total yards vs Elon 4 out of 15 (26.6%) on 3rd down conversions 0 out of 2 on 4th down conversions
This is abysmal.....I'm giving this isht 1.5 years; if we are still this bad in mid 2024, the entire staff needs to go. NO EXCUSES for this poor quality of play offensively.
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Post by AggieMac on Sept 18, 2023 10:30:00 GMT -5
Thrilla had a good twitter post where he showed the Slot in the wrong area and ended up right next to the TE(both doing comebacks). Result was an interception. You really cant say the mis-placement caused the int, but it didn't help that the Slot guy brought the defender in the area. I'm assuming he should have been much wider giving the QB 2 clean targets and 1 of the 2 would have been WIDE OPEN if ran correctly. While the play was the right call the question as to why the Slot ran it wrong has to be asked. Was your backup player not ready because Cook was kicked out of the game? Why does the backup not know the proper route? Was the TE the one to far left(didn't appear that way)? After looking at the play several times the slot was suppose to run an out pattern, had to be. Good case and point around "execution". Just like you have been saying you want folks to stop excusing the faults of the OC, let's talk about the execution of the play in general. This is a SIMPLE hitch route that was not executed properly. For 1 the receivers should be stopping beyond the sticks because it was 3rd and 8 not 3rd and 5. Second, no one wants to call out that the receivers, backs, and TEs have ALL dropped passes that are within their catching radius. Last, Yeager was not accurate enough to hit #83 in the chest from a simple route with no one in his face this time. Let's be fair on both sides that the OC is not effectively getting through to the players yet, AND the players are not executing the plays called. Again this is not all on the OC...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 10:34:50 GMT -5
Thrilla had a good twitter post where he showed the Slot in the wrong area and ended up right next to the TE(both doing comebacks). Result was an interception. You really cant say the mis-placement caused the int, but it didn't help that the Slot guy brought the defender in the area. I'm assuming he should have been much wider giving the QB 2 clean targets and 1 of the 2 would have been WIDE OPEN if ran correctly. While the play was the right call the question as to why the Slot ran it wrong has to be asked. Was your backup player not ready because Cook was kicked out of the game? Why does the backup not know the proper route? Was the TE the one to far left(didn't appear that way)? After looking at the play several times the slot was suppose to run an out pattern, had to be. Good case and point around "execution". Just like you have been saying you want folks to stop excusing the faults of the OC, let's talk about the execution of the play in general. This is a SIMPLE hitch route that was not executed properly. For 1 the receivers should be stopping beyond the sticks because it was 3rd and 8 not 3rd and 5. Second, no one wants to call out that the receivers, backs, and TEs have ALL dropped passes that are within their catching radius. Last, Yeager was not accurate enough to hit #83 in the chest from a simple route with no one in his face this time. Let's be fair on both sides that the OC is not effectively getting through to the players yet, AND the players are not executing the plays called. Again this is not all on the OC... I beg to differ. You play like you practice. The slot shoulda ran an out. He would have rubbed the defender off the straight route(who was ALREADY blocking if you look, so thats what he was expecting the slot to do) and been wide open. Poor execution is rarely on players, in my opinion. They didn't rep it enough, make sure the backup knows where he is going on the play. Yeager at the 5 second mark is clearly waiting on the outside break by the slot, but then when he doesn't break outside he throws to the 2nd read of the TE.
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Post by AggieMac on Sept 18, 2023 10:44:23 GMT -5
Good case and point around "execution". Just like you have been saying you want folks to stop excusing the faults of the OC, let's talk about the execution of the play in general. This is a SIMPLE hitch route that was not executed properly. For 1 the receivers should be stopping beyond the sticks because it was 3rd and 8 not 3rd and 5. Second, no one wants to call out that the receivers, backs, and TEs have ALL dropped passes that are within their catching radius. Last, Yeager was not accurate enough to hit #83 in the chest from a simple route with no one in his face this time. Let's be fair on both sides that the OC is not effectively getting through to the players yet, AND the players are not executing the plays called. Again this is not all on the OC... I beg to differ. You play like you practice. The slot shoulda ran an out. He would have rubbed the defender off the straight route(who was ALREADY blocking if you look, so thats what he was expecting the slot to do) and been wide open. Poor execution is rarely on players, not in my opinion. They didn't rep it enough, make sure the backup knows where he is going on the play. Yeager at the 5 second mark is clearly waiting on the outside break by the slot, but then when he doesn't break outside he throws to the 2nd read of the TE. Wait what? Ok, idk if I can have an honest fair dialogue with you on this anymore, "poor execution is rarely on players". And no it's not clear that Yeager waited for the receiver to break, because he didn't WAIT. He through the ball immediately when he had time. The best college teams have players who make poor execution plays all the time.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 10:49:05 GMT -5
I beg to differ. You play like you practice. The slot shoulda ran an out. He would have rubbed the defender off the straight route(who was ALREADY blocking if you look, so thats what he was expecting the slot to do) and been wide open. Poor execution is rarely on players, not in my opinion. They didn't rep it enough, make sure the backup knows where he is going on the play. Yeager at the 5 second mark is clearly waiting on the outside break by the slot, but then when he doesn't break outside he throws to the 2nd read of the TE. Wait what? Ok, idk if I can have an honest fair dialogue with you on this anymore, "poor execution is rarely on players". The best college teams have players who make poor execution plays all the time. I'm not dense. bad plays happen, its football. When its consistently executed badly its on coaches. Thats what we have.
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Post by planoaggie on Sept 18, 2023 10:49:09 GMT -5
Let's stop with the "we stepped up 2 folds in level of competition, if we were still in the Big South" talk. We looked bad vs Central (MEAC). We looked bad vs Elon.....a team we historically have played and has been in the CAA. The first few opponents we have played, we would have played them anyway.....whether we were in the MEAC, Big South or any other conference. Stop excusing piss-poor play. I said after our extremely paltry offensive production vs Central, we are so "so-low-on-the-bell-curve" bad on offense that it cannot be excused. Our OC is bad......our head coach may be just as bad for hiring him, which suggests he doesn't know a good coach when he observes one. I am not defending Coach Brown or any staff. I said I would take a neutral approach right now on blame, but agree changes need to be made if we are to improve and win some freaking games. I just don't like the Coach Broadway comparison. Who you play and what level you play at matters even if you had 1 or 2 common opponents? So I went back to Coach Broadway's 1st year coaching at A&T (2011). He went 5-6 going 1-2 in his first 3 games. The team he beat went 4-6 that season. The team was able to win a few more game after a terrible start in my opinion. Why can't we give this team and coach the time to work through their problems? At this point if they win 3 to 4 games but look like they are trying to compete in every game I will be satisfied for now. Show some heart or fight in you. By the way, we may have lost to Elon in 2011. See below link and common opponents. The game would have been competitive though versus this past weekend game. I also looked up who was Coach Broadway's QB in 2011. He had a good QB that could throw. One of A&T's top career passers, so the offense was not the biggest problem that year. See the below links as evidence of what I found. Again, I don't like the comparison because no one quite remembers all the details back then. ncataggies.com/sports/football/schedule/2011americanfootball.fandom.com/wiki/2011_Virginia-Lynchburg_Dragonsncataggies.com/sports/football/roster/lewis-kindle/1242elonphoenix.com/sports/football/schedule/2011
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Post by saabman on Sept 18, 2023 11:02:02 GMT -5
Good case and point around "execution". Just like you have been saying you want folks to stop excusing the faults of the OC, let's talk about the execution of the play in general. This is a SIMPLE hitch route that was not executed properly. For 1 the receivers should be stopping beyond the sticks because it was 3rd and 8 not 3rd and 5. Second, no one wants to call out that the receivers, backs, and TEs have ALL dropped passes that are within their catching radius. Last, Yeager was not accurate enough to hit #83 in the chest from a simple route with no one in his face this time. Let's be fair on both sides that the OC is not effectively getting through to the players yet, AND the players are not executing the plays called. Again this is not all on the OC... I beg to differ. You play like you practice. The slot shoulda ran an out. He would have rubbed the defender off the straight route(who was ALREADY blocking if you look, so thats what he was expecting the slot to do) and been wide open. Poor execution is rarely on players, not in my opinion. They didn't rep it enough, make sure the backup knows where he is going on the play. Yeager at the 5 second mark is clearly waiting on the outside break by the slot, but then when he doesn't break outside he throws to the 2nd read of the TE. Look at the slots body language before the snap . Dude had no idea where to line up let alone what his route was and at the snap after he hooked in you can see that he knew he had run the wrong route because he tried to draft to his right 😆 . Dude knew he had F up. Players especially back ups make mistakes in games even after running the same routes all week in practice. Like I have said before the OC, receiver coach have no idea how a player will react in a game . They can only hope that execution is executed properly. For me this is a player issue not all on the OC . These players are not executing properly for what ever reason and it is the OC's and receiver coach responsibility to correct or replace the problem. I have played and coached those positions and you can tell that a player knows his assignments by the way he approaches the line . This dude was lost and it was all on him . Now the receivers coach needs to know why or correct and replace.
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Post by planoaggie on Sept 18, 2023 11:02:23 GMT -5
In my eyes there appears to be multiple areas we need to improve in and/or fix. I just don't know if all of these can be fixed this season, especially if it is a coach problem or lack of team talent. I just don't like the Broadway comparison where folks don't factor in all the factors in their comparison analysis. What I(and other) are saying to you is "Change your sentence below to"..... "I just don't know if all of these can be fixed this season, especially if it is a coach problem or lack of team talent."Here's the reason we bring up Broadway. He had a much less "talent" and the offense didn't look this terrible. He is the benchmark us fans have to compare Brown to. Thats why that season is brought up. We put up two 40 point games and several 20 point games that year and had a total of 29 full rides. You say the comp was less. Not really. This Elon team was not that good. They wont even be that good I dont think. If NCCU makes the CB, FAMU will dust them off. But getting pass Morgan will be a challenge for them as well. Fobbs era, in all its futility still moved the football. He could at least hit you with some "Paper Raper" for catches 30 or 40 yards a pop. I was doing research while you and others were posting. Again, Coach Brown may endup being the problem. I am just not as sure as some because it is too early in the season for "me" to make that call. Tell me who would have won the game if A&T and Elon played in 2011? They played at least 2 common opponents (NCCU and Appalachian State). NCCU won only 2 games that year. One must take into account when A&T played those 2 teams as well (early or late in the season). A team should get better as the season progresses unless they experience lots of key injuries. There is no question that Broadway had a better offense than Brown today, but is that solely on Brown? Players and talent on a team matters when comparing W-L. The quality of the team you play on your schedule matters when comparing W-L. For example Virginia University of Lynchburg played there 1st game in 2011 against A&T after not having a football team since 1954. Coach Broadway could have started his season 0-3 if he had not played a non-D1 team. elonphoenix.com/sports/football/schedule/2011nccueaglepride.com/sports/football/schedule/2011ncataggies.com/sports/football/schedule/2011hbcubuzz.com/2011/07/virginia-university-of-lynchburg-plans-to-launch-a-football-program-this-fall-since-1954/
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Post by planoaggie on Sept 18, 2023 11:04:53 GMT -5
I don't need to compare our current plight to Broadway, Fobbs, Small, Forte or any other past head coach. We have not gotten into the meat of our schedule and have played the WORST OFFEENSIVE BRAND OF FOOTBALL I'VE EVER SEEN! I could give a damn less what Broadway had or didn't have......our offense sucks to historic proportions. 143 total yards vs Elon 4 out of 15 (26.6%) on 3rd down conversions 0 out of 2 on 4th down conversions This is abysmal.....I'm giving this isht 1.5 years; if we are still this bad in mid 2024, the entire staff needs to go. NO EXCUSES for this poor quality of play offensively. No argument here that the offense is terrible.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 18, 2023 12:45:18 GMT -5
I beg to differ. You play like you practice. The slot shoulda ran an out. He would have rubbed the defender off the straight route(who was ALREADY blocking if you look, so thats what he was expecting the slot to do) and been wide open. Poor execution is rarely on players, not in my opinion. They didn't rep it enough, make sure the backup knows where he is going on the play. Yeager at the 5 second mark is clearly waiting on the outside break by the slot, but then when he doesn't break outside he throws to the 2nd read of the TE. Look at the slots body language before the snap . Dude had no idea where to line up let alone what his route was and at the snap after he hooked in you can see that he knew he had run the wrong route because he tried to draft to his right 😆 . I was looking at the same thing. I was like "his body language lets me know it was his fault", LOL.
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 18, 2023 13:29:06 GMT -5
All I know is, we have absolutely no continuity on offense and its no excuse for that. I don't care about wins and losses per say but, you have to be improving and I don't see that...AT ALL! You know, I really hate to sound like I'm piling on here that's why I stayed off the site after the Central game. It was clear Central was gonna stop our run game until we could prove to them we could throw the ball...that's how we lost. Just that simple. Then I look at the game this week...the passing game is non-existent and it's unacceptable at this level. Every college team is playing wide-open now-a-days and we can barely complete a pass?? You know if it doesn't improve, it becomes incompetence.
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Post by jbrob on Sept 18, 2023 19:18:51 GMT -5
We have 10 days to get ready for Norfolk State. Any fundamental mistakes that we are making, need to be fixed this week. I like the idea of playing White at QB the rest of the season.
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 18, 2023 20:10:10 GMT -5
Thrilla had a good twitter post where he showed the Slot in the wrong area and ended up right next to the TE(both doing comebacks). Result was an interception. You really cant say the mis-placement caused the int, but it didn't help that the Slot guy brought the defender in the area. I'm assuming he should have been much wider giving the QB 2 clean targets and 1 of the 2 would have been WIDE OPEN if ran correctly. While the play was the right call the question as to why the Slot ran it wrong has to be asked. Was your backup player not ready because Cook was kicked out of the game? Why does the backup not know the proper route? Was the TE the one to far left(didn't appear that way)? After looking at the play several times the slot was suppose to run an out pattern, had to be. Still an off target pass from Yeager as far as I'm concerned. Looked like the TE was sitting down and the pass was to his right (where he was, as opposed to where he was going to be). TE still could have caught it but the most important issue, to me, is Yeager's accuracy not being what it needs to be.
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Post by saabman on Sept 18, 2023 20:49:46 GMT -5
Thrilla had a good twitter post where he showed the Slot in the wrong area and ended up right next to the TE(both doing comebacks). Result was an interception. You really cant say the mis-placement caused the int, but it didn't help that the Slot guy brought the defender in the area. I'm assuming he should have been much wider giving the QB 2 clean targets and 1 of the 2 would have been WIDE OPEN if ran correctly. While the play was the right call the question as to why the Slot ran it wrong has to be asked. Was your backup player not ready because Cook was kicked out of the game? Why does the backup not know the proper route? Was the TE the one to far left(didn't appear that way)? After looking at the play several times the slot was suppose to run an out pattern, had to be. Still an off target pass from Yeager as far as I'm concerned. Looked like the TE was sitting down and the pass was to his right (where he was, as opposed to where he was going to be). TE still could have caught it but the most important issue, to me, is Yeager's accuracy not being what it needs to be. There is no could the TE should have caught the ball . That's why we teach players to catch with your hands not with your body. But you are correct Yeager should have placed the ball better .
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