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Post by DOOMS on Dec 15, 2022 10:27:25 GMT -5
McNeil didn't have a great record at ECU and the majority of his success coincided with Lincoln Riley's tenure. When Lincoln left he had a losing season. Even though I don't think he should've been fired, I think the AD felt Ruffin wasn't going to get it done without Lincoln and let him go. While Withers did rather well for the short time he was at JMU, he never bothered to win more than two games in any season at Texas State and the guy who replaced him at JMU won the national championship the year after Withers left.
I wouldn't touch either one with a ten-foot pole. But that's my unsolicited opinion.
Whoever they hire should be somebody with a solid plan to make us competitive in the CAA and who can recruit in this new wave of transfer portal mess. We have several staffers who are absolutely phenomenal at developing talent so they should definitely be recruited to stay and receive long overdue raises. If mixed in with some CAA-savvy coaches we could be competitive earlier than my expectation. But again, that's my unsolicited opinion.
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Post by aggie30 on Dec 15, 2022 10:27:47 GMT -5
Do we know of another Division 1 school that does not have a basketball or football coach at this time? I was a fan of Coach Washington. There were some things that needed fixed by him but a lot of things that needs to be fixed by the school. If we don’t make the right hire that is on Earl and Martin. I believe we will lose a lot of players in the program and the ones that have signed. If this is the case then maybe we should look for a new Earl and Martin. We did not need to go to the CAA.
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Post by crowntownaggie on Dec 15, 2022 10:38:12 GMT -5
McNeil didn't have a great record at ECU and the majority of his success coincided with Lincoln Riley's tenure. When Lincoln left he had a losing season. Even though I don't think he should've been fired, I think the AD felt Ruffin wasn't going to get it done without Lincoln and let him go. While Withers did rather well for the short time he was at JMU, he never bothered to win more than two games in any season at Texas State and the guy who replaced him at JMU won the national championship the year after Withers left. I wouldn't touch either one with a ten-foot pole. But that's my unsolicited opinion. Whoever they hire should be somebody with a solid plan to make us competitive in the CAA and who can recruit in this new wave of transfer portal mess. We have several staffers who are absolutely phenomenal at developing talent so they should definitely be recruited to stay and receive long overdue raises. If mixed in with some CAA-savvy coaches we could be competitive earlier than my expectation. But again, that's my unsolicited opinion. McNeill won 5 in his last season, this is true, but thay followed two 8 win seasons and a 10 win season, the last two also came in a season when ECU stepped up to the AAC from the CUSA. They won no more than three games the following three seasons. Man built them into a solid program, slipped once, and they canned him. A lot of their fan base felt that his firing was uncalled for as well so take that fwiw. I already spoke on Withers at TSU, won no more than 3 in three years but they won 4 games only twice since firing him and won no more than 2 games the two years immediately behind him. The guy who replaced him at JMU inherited a solid team and won a chip, parlayed that into the ECU job and has been struggling to win in Greenville. Both give you coaches who have/can recruit local talent, which is something we've struggled to do lately in my humble opinion. The state produces way too much talent for us to not be able to land some of those middling prospects who end up at the FCS level elsewhere. One has had that success in the CAA that a few have said they want in the next coach, he just left for a better paying job before he saw playoff success with JMU. I'm obviously sticking to the culture with my suggestions though, plus folks I feel we can afford to bring in, would love to hear some names for who others would like to see us bring in. You can upgrade spots in the portal but bringing in/developing your own talent will always be the way for schools that are behind in regards to resources and financial backing. The best talent is going to start going where the $$ is so you're mostly getting guys that are looking for PT by the time you get to the players we'd attract in the portal.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 15, 2022 10:40:03 GMT -5
Do we know of another Division 1 school that does not have a basketball or football coach at this time? I was a fan of Coach Washington. There were some things that needed fixed by him but a lot of things that needs to be fixed by the school. If we don’t make the right hire that is on Earl and Martin. I believe we will lose a lot of players in the program and the ones that have signed. If this is the case then maybe we should look for a new Earl and Martin. We did not need to go to the CAA. Well since the BOT has trumpeted every move we've made, that would be a hard road to hoe. Hilton is basically following Martin's directions and trying to make them work as well as possible. If he refused Martin would just get rid of him and hire somebody who would do what he wanted anyway. At least this way we have someone in place who Martin trusts who can mitigate the damage. There are things that definitely need to be fixed by the school; by Martin and the Board in particular because they chose this path. The next athletics hires will be very telling, especially the football coaching hire and how well he and his staff are supported and compensated. IMO if the new coach is hired by Crimmas then we've seen a positive change in the way we do bidness. If we're into January and the "search committee" is still at it...
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Post by crowntownaggie on Dec 15, 2022 10:45:14 GMT -5
Separate from my own suggestions, would folks here rather hire up from the D2 level/a coordinator from the FCS level. Or would yall prefer we go after someone from the FBS level that may be looking for their shot as a HC? I feel the majority are less concerned with the complexion of the selection, so long as the hire results in wins on the field that is.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 15, 2022 10:45:15 GMT -5
Lincoln Riley was found by Mike Leech at Texas Tech. He wanted to play and Leech started him as a GA Also true, Leech convinced him to join the TTU staff as a grad assistant but it was McNeill who gave him his first coordinator job. Players get an opportunity to become GA all the time, especially at the school they play/played for, but he got his first real coaching opportunity at ECU being an OC and promoting to AHC. I'm not saying the man is perfect, but him and Withers are just two guys I feel could do well here. Someone pointed out that our track coach recently came from NC State, maybe our admin take that short drive back to Raleigh for a FB coach. I've heard some wild suggestions like Ray Lewis & Cam Newton, as well as some realistic ones like Maynor from AAMU. I'm not too interested in hiring a name but I am warm on the idea of bringing in Maynor. You realize it makes no sense hiring a 60 plus year old coach after just firing a 60 plus year old coach right
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Post by crowntownaggie on Dec 15, 2022 10:47:15 GMT -5
Also true, Leech convinced him to join the TTU staff as a grad assistant but it was McNeill who gave him his first coordinator job. Players get an opportunity to become GA all the time, especially at the school they play/played for, but he got his first real coaching opportunity at ECU being an OC and promoting to AHC. I'm not saying the man is perfect, but him and Withers are just two guys I feel could do well here. Someone pointed out that our track coach recently came from NC State, maybe our admin take that short drive back to Raleigh for a FB coach. I've heard some wild suggestions like Ray Lewis & Cam Newton, as well as some realistic ones like Maynor from AAMU. I'm not too interested in hiring a name but I am warm on the idea of bringing in Maynor. You realize it makes no sense hiring a 60 plus year old coach after just firing a 60 plus year old coach right I was unaware that age was a factor, I understand you want a ~45> HC though. Who would you suggest that fits your preference?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 10:48:32 GMT -5
My biggest question now is whether or now Bornthrilla and crew can get a podcast up this week to discuss this major news? Put that same energy behind demanding that your school leaders make an official announcement about this major news. The Sunshine Gang craves info, but at the same time you guys always enable the university's lack of transparency. Are you happy now?!
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Dec 15, 2022 11:44:20 GMT -5
Separate from my own suggestions, would folks here rather hire up from the D2 level/a coordinator from the FCS level. Or would yall prefer we go after someone from the FBS level that may be looking for their shot as a HC? I feel the majority are less concerned with the complexion of the selection, so long as the hire results in wins on the field that is. My vote is for FCS HC/Coordinator experience and/or FBS experience ONLY (if financially possible).
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Post by Maxell on Dec 15, 2022 12:10:53 GMT -5
My vote is for FCS HC/Coordinator experience and/or FBS experience ONLY (if financially possible). Someone paid for the buyout, so finances should not be a barrier. We were paying Washington $311k and we saved $160k with the Ross to Johnson transition.
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Post by Gator on Dec 15, 2022 12:13:32 GMT -5
What are the players saying? Just like Notre Dame, they matter in this decision.
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Post by aggies704 on Dec 15, 2022 12:14:35 GMT -5
More terrible news Robert in the portal.
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Post by Gator on Dec 15, 2022 12:15:20 GMT -5
Is Barnette an option? He has the pedigree
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 15, 2022 12:23:15 GMT -5
To be honest, I think it will not be hard to find a good/great coach. The hard part will be providing him the resources needed to be successful at our current level. We can no longer have coaches doubling roles, we need to be able to have resources to pay for a full complement of staff to support our coach. I won't go down the Deion road again but, let's think back to Jimmy Johnson former coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Go back and look at his assistant coaches from the first Superbowl team. He admitted he was a good coach but, he had EXCELLENT assistant coaches. That principle still applies today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 12:26:53 GMT -5
What are the players saying? Just like Notre Dame, they matter in this decision. Players want promises kept by the AD and Chancellor.
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