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Post by neal on Aug 20, 2022 16:33:24 GMT -5
The band numbers that we want to see, have we ever had them in the past minus 03 for the game against SU in Vegas? What would be better, an upgrade in band facilities with the same number of "scholarships" or more scholarships with the current band facilities? Scholarships are always important...especially to students trying to get a college education. So, I would definitely recommend putting more money in the scholarship budget. Then work on the facilities. It's going to be damn near impossible to turn that warehouse into an effective band facility but there are some upgrades that could make it "livable" for the short run. Those number were high because of the game against SU. After that game the numbers slightly decreased. It was obvious the remainder of the season. Sometimes a good schedule pulls students to a program or former members will march an additional year. Students today are not marching all for years anymore so retention is an issues for a lot of bands.
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Post by neal on Aug 20, 2022 16:36:38 GMT -5
I will keep beating this dead horse. We can't compete in scholarship funding because our band is not aligned under a music department. Given this fact, the school actually is generous in the funding. Every large HBCU band is using music department funding to allocate scholarship funding. Y'all really think Alcorn, NSU, JSU, Alabama State and Grambling just got scholarship money in the coffers? Many of these schools are struggling financially but have large bands. NSU and Gram band numbers are similar to T so I am not sure why people continue to make it appear other HBCU bands are large like BCU, JSU, and SU. Out of those schools who were the largest the past two season. Maybe BCU was at one time struggling. A number of school's music department are not struggling. People will donate to the programs when asked. You all really need to speak to the former members of said schools. Only a small fraction, a very small fraction are getting scholarships. Those students getting scholarships are required to perform in all of the music ensembles and not just marching band. People have to really want to be in your program scholarship or not.
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Post by 919aggie on Aug 20, 2022 16:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by neal on Aug 20, 2022 16:55:14 GMT -5
Most bands will perform for the first time this Saturday(FanFest for a lot of schools) Tennessee State usually only attends one battle of the bands and will only face Jackson State. Somehow they still regularly have large bands... View AttachmentGrambling also has a nice sized band this year View AttachmentOur numbers don't seem to be necessarily "Bad", but we could definitely use some more Euphoniums, Mellos and Trumpets. I hope my eyes were deceiving me because we have two botbs and will face Norfolk(If they come). *Can't speak too much for woodwinds , but Norfolk seemed to have more brass from the vid I watched* Check the scholarship budgets for Tennessee State and Norfolk State's band. The more scholarship dollars you have the more Euphoniums, Mellos and trumpets you can have. Plus, Tennessee State's out of state band students within 250 of Nashville pay in-state tuition. Yeah and you will see T has been bigger than NSU the past few years in the trumpet section. So does T have a higher budget than NSU? Just saying. Students like Tenn State more than T and some other schools. Students like JSU and SU more that other schools. Current or former MEAC schools including T bands are boring at the games.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 20, 2022 17:48:02 GMT -5
Check the scholarship budgets for Tennessee State and Norfolk State's band. The more scholarship dollars you have the more Euphoniums, Mellos and trumpets you can have. Plus, Tennessee State's out of state band students within 250 of Nashville pay in-state tuition. Yeah and you will see T has been bigger than NSU the past few years in the trumpet section. So does T have a higher budget than NSU? Just saying. Students like Tenn State more than T and some other schools. Students like JSU and SU more that other schools. Current or former MEAC schools including T bands are boring at the games. Dude seriously...we are trying to discuss a serious issue here at our school. This is bigger than whether some likes this or that...we have the largest hbcu in the country and I'm almost certain if we (band program) had monies for schollys we would have more than enough euphoniums, trumpets and mellophones. We have students that played in their high school band but, they will not march for A&T without some type of funding supplement. So this isn't about what you are talking about, it's bigger than that. Now Tony makes a good point because, our feeder schools have taken a huge hit since covid. The high school bands can barely take the field and those programs used to feed our program so, he is definitely on to something.
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Post by 919aggie on Aug 20, 2022 19:53:20 GMT -5
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Post by 919aggie on Aug 20, 2022 19:53:59 GMT -5
Check the scholarship budgets for Tennessee State and Norfolk State's band. The more scholarship dollars you have the more Euphoniums, Mellos and trumpets you can have. Plus, Tennessee State's out of state band students within 250 of Nashville pay in-state tuition. Yeah and you will see T has been bigger than NSU the past few years in the trumpet section. So does T have a higher budget than NSU? Just saying. Students like Tenn State more than T and some other schools. Students like JSU and SU more that other schools. Current or former MEAC schools including T bands are boring at the games. Oh you marched at A&T?
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Post by marchingband1969 on Aug 20, 2022 20:59:36 GMT -5
Check the scholarship budgets for Tennessee State and Norfolk State's band. The more scholarship dollars you have the more Euphoniums, Mellos and trumpets you can have. Plus, Tennessee State's out of state band students within 250 of Nashville pay in-state tuition. Yeah and you will see T has been bigger than NSU the past few years in the trumpet section. So does T have a higher budget than NSU? Just saying. Students like Tenn State more than T and some other schools. Students like JSU and SU more that other schools. Current or former MEAC schools including T bands are boring at the games. Get the f*ck out of here! You sound like one of the SWAC-heads that thinks playing loud is better than playing in tune!
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Post by tony on Aug 21, 2022 13:36:45 GMT -5
Hmm... Band sound good. Check. Whole row of tubas. Check. Band's fine - you want more money tell your alumni to donate. End of story. That's why we've gotten nowhere. Looking a little deeper - at this video, and the instagram from the other day. Woodwinds are really loud. That probably says more about camera placement than anything else. Trombones sound extremely thin. I blame that on the camera's microphone. This video sounds a lot like the ones BGMM Media used to post a couple of years ago. Middle and lower brass always sounded thin, and you could hear every part really clearly. They sounded fine in person, and other bands sounded just as bad when they recorded them. We have a lot better mics now, so no need to worry about it. I will say playing is excellent. The camera's getting everything, and there's very little going wrong. Staff and students are clearly working hard - sounds much better than that IG video from a earlier. One of the main reasons I don't sweat band camp clips. Tuba numbers are big - 19 to 20 is about as big as I've ever seen us get. Trombones are big too - I saw 18 in the IG video. If everybody's playing the sound will be great. Mellos and Euphoniums are both smaller than I'd like. I don't think that will be a problem though. Both of those sections are VERY loud, and a bigger section can easily overpower everyone else. The small section leaves less room to hide mistakes but as long as everybody's on it they'll be fine. Trumpets are small, and that can be an issue. They're just going to have to work hard. All an all, from what I've seen I expect them to show out again this year. Which is great for our reputation, and terrible at convincing anyone else that we need help. I don't like it, but not the worst problem to have.
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Post by tony on Aug 21, 2022 13:59:21 GMT -5
The band numbers that we want to see, have we ever had them in the past minus 03 for the game against SU in Vegas? What would be better, an upgrade in band facilities with the same number of "scholarships" or more scholarships with the current band facilities? Scholarships are always important...especially to students trying to get a college education. So, I would definitely recommend putting more money in the scholarship budget. Then work on the facilities. It's going to be damn near impossible to turn that warehouse into an effective band facility but there are some upgrades that could make it "livable" for the short run. This is exactly what I'm talking about. That 03 band was legendary, and wasn't built on scholarships. Oldheads that typically stopped marching stuck around for the SU game - that was part of it. But that band - freshmen through oldheads - was built off non scholarship local high school graduates - Dudley, Hillside, EE Smith, Goldsboro... In 1999 the 03 band was in high school. Take a look at Dudley from that year: www.youtube.com/watch?v=USOcJmWf9PgSomebody mentioned Covid. Covid was and is definitely a problem but it's a drop in the bucket - it'll be gone in a few years but our recruiting challenges will remain the same as they've always been. Compare that '99 Dudley band to the pre-covid 2017 edition: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgftIkdUvCEBlame the changing times, blame the internet. I disagree. Half that '99 Dudley band came from Lincoln Middle School. I knew their old band directory - Mr. Powell - really good guy, all his students came over ready. Times have changed a lot since then. I don't know much about the program at The Academy at Lincoln (new name) but here are a few facts from usnews about the school www.usnews.com/education/k12/north-carolina/lincoln-academy-275889:The school’s minority student enrollment is 84%. The student-teacher ratio is 16:1, which is worse than that of the district. The student population is made up of 53% female students and 47% male students. The school enrolls 45% economically disadvantaged students. There are 39 equivalent full-time teachers and 2 full-time school counselors. Here's the band homepage with a little info about the current director: www.gcsnc.com/domain/13982Take a look at some pictures of their band: www.gcsnc.com/Page/55615The Lincoln -> Dudley -> A&T Pipeline is pretty much destroyed, and it has nothing to do with scholarships. There's a Middle School -> Hillside -> NCCU / A&T Pipeline that's just as screwed up, for entirely different reasons, but also nothing to do with scholarships. That's two cases I know about, and based on high school videos there are a lot more. What to do about it? There is no single answer. Dudley's problem has nothing to do with Hillside's problem which has nothing to do with Lincoln's problem. But the thing is to recognize that there is a problem, and be ready to do something about it whenever the opportunity presents itself. Dr. Hodge used to be on the Guilford County Board of Education. How much influence do we have with the current school system? Durham has done a pretty good job getting an HBCU influence in the school system. Like I said, Durham's problems aren't Greensboro's problems. But just be aware, and think in more than one dimension - beyond just money.
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Post by 919aggie on Aug 21, 2022 15:36:24 GMT -5
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Post by 919aggie on Aug 21, 2022 15:47:14 GMT -5
Hmm... Band sound good. Check. Whole row of tubas. Check. Band's fine - you want more money tell your alumni to donate. End of story. That's why we've gotten nowhere. Looking a little deeper - at this video, and the instagram from the other day. Woodwinds are really loud. That probably says more about camera placement than anything else. Trombones sound extremely thin. I blame that on the camera's microphone. This video sounds a lot like the ones BGMM Media used to post a couple of years ago. Middle and lower brass always sounded thin, and you could hear every part really clearly. They sounded fine in person, and other bands sounded just as bad when they recorded them. We have a lot better mics now, so no need to worry about it. I will say playing is excellent. The camera's getting everything, and there's very little going wrong. Staff and students are clearly working hard - sounds much better than that IG video from a earlier. One of the main reasons I don't sweat band camp clips. Tuba numbers are big - 19 to 20 is about as big as I've ever seen us get. Trombones are big too - I saw 18 in the IG video. If everybody's playing the sound will be great. Mellos and Euphoniums are both smaller than I'd like. I don't think that will be a problem though. Both of those sections are VERY loud, and a bigger section can easily overpower everyone else. The small section leaves less room to hide mistakes but as long as everybody's on it they'll be fine. Trumpets are small, and that can be an issue. They're just going to have to work hard. All an all, from what I've seen I expect them to show out again this year. Which is great for our reputation, and terrible at convincing anyone else that we need help. I don't like it, but not the worst problem to have. Trumpets are the only concern I really have...I dont doubt that the Euphos/Mello's can take it up a notch. I think I counted about 17 trumpets from the video I saw..when they usually hover around 30.
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Post by Maxell on Aug 21, 2022 17:08:08 GMT -5
I was about to say the same about the trumpets. You need at least 25.
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Post by 919aggie on Aug 21, 2022 17:20:08 GMT -5
I was about to say the same about the trumpets. You need at least 25. It really stood out to me when they played "War." 2021-28 2019-32 2018-32 2017-28
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Post by outsidethinker on Aug 21, 2022 17:53:10 GMT -5
I was about to say the same about the trumpets. You need at least 25. It really stood out to me when they played "War." 2021-28 2019-32 2018-32 2017-28 As long as we don't return back to the year of 06 we'll be OK lol youtu.be/7iw6tdKi6Ng
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