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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 18, 2021 20:44:24 GMT -5
you're not a "psychic", you can't possibly read my mind. so don't try to tell me that i'm trying to make somebody look bad. you can't read my mind. making somebody look bad is not a part of my mindset whatsoever. i probably "praise" dr. martin and earl hilton more than anybody else on this message board and there's many years of my posts in that regard on this message board. but wrong is wrong. just because i strongly support dr. martin doesn't mean i have to agree with him 100% of the time. i don't know of anybody on this planet that i agree with 100% of the time and dr. martin/earl hilton are no exceptions. i just speak my mind and what i believe to be true. i am not afraid to stand on an island by myself and stand my ground based on "principles". here we are "fighting" to prevent the gop from suppressing the black vote, yet we're supporting a conference of schools who by and large support that very thing... that’s a fact you don’t have to agree with someone 100% but you wasn’t in the war room when they had the conversation on why they should move. You don’t like the decision because you don’t like change which I have seen by the way you act on other threads. You like to be in comfortable positions and places you know and are familiar with all you know is meac. All I’m saying is you don’t have a legit reason to not like the move that can actually be backed up with facts, it’s just your opinion and you ranting. and i'm telling you that you don't know a darn thing about what i think. YOU CAN'T READ MY MIND. you nor anybody else is capable of "reading my mind". and no, it ain't a matter of me "liking to be in comfortable positions" as you say because if that were true, i'd just go along with the rest of ya'll and "blindly" accept any and everything that the chancellor & ad says about topics relative to the big south conference. this is the same chancellor that believed a d2 school that doesn't own its own football stadium, that has "unfavorable" football stadium leasing terms (no parking or concession income), that has a basketball facility that's no bigger than moore gym, is capable of sustaining itself at the d1 level. yes, this is the same chancellor who you "blindly" believe relative to the move to the bsc? look, i've listed "tons" of reasons why i oppose the move and i backed them up with "FACTS" that i don't care to rehash over and over again at this time. just do a search on my posts relative to the bsc and you'll find plenty of "FACTS" that i've listed explaining why i oppose this move. it ain't about feeling comfortable. you think me "opposing" all of ya'll by myself is "comfortable"? dude or dudette, you need to turn in your "psychic card"! now, before you respond, i'd also like to encourage you to stop quoting me on this subject so that folk won't keep "falsely" accusing me of trying to "hi-jack" this thread...
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Post by zai on Jun 18, 2021 21:21:21 GMT -5
that’s a fact you don’t have to agree with someone 100% but you wasn’t in the war room when they had the conversation on why they should move. You don’t like the decision because you don’t like change which I have seen by the way you act on other threads. You like to be in comfortable positions and places you know and are familiar with all you know is meac. All I’m saying is you don’t have a legit reason to not like the move that can actually be backed up with facts, it’s just your opinion and you ranting. and i'm telling you that you don't know a darn thing about what i think. YOU CAN'T READ MY MIND. you nor anybody else is capable of "reading my mind". and no, it ain't a matter of me "liking to be in comfortable positions" as you say because if that were true, i'd just go along with the rest of ya'll and "blindly" accept any and everything that the chancellor & ad says about topics relative to the big south conference. this is the same chancellor that believed a d2 school that doesn't own its own football stadium, that has "unfavorable" football stadium leasing terms (no parking or concession income), that has a basketball facility that's no bigger than moore gym, is capable of sustaining itself at the d1 level. yes, this is the same chancellor who you "blindly" believe relative to the move to the bsc? look, i've listed "tons" of reasons why i oppose the move and i backed them up with "FACTS" that i don't care to rehash over and over again at this time. just do a search on my posts relative to the bsc and you'll find plenty of "FACTS" that i've listed explaining why i oppose this move. it ain't about feeling comfortable. you think me "opposing" all of ya'll by myself is "comfortable"? dude or dudette, you need to turn in your "psychic card"! now, before you respond, i'd also like to encourage you to stop quoting me on this subject so that folk won't keep "falsely" accusing me of trying to "hi-jack" this thread... I’m not putting words in your mouth I’m just throwing rebuttals to what you say. As far as wssu trying to move to D1 Bcu or Txsu doesn’t own the stadium they play in along with other schools on the fcs level and, a few schools have small basketball gyms on the fcs level since when does any of that matter to play D1 fcs ball? He wasn’t even there to see the school through that dark cloud but, I’m not understanding what that has to do with us? Are you implying our move to the big south will end in failure? I will dead anymore responses about this in this thread we have gotten completely off track at the main subject here.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 18, 2021 23:05:14 GMT -5
and i'm telling you that you don't know a darn thing about what i think. YOU CAN'T READ MY MIND. you nor anybody else is capable of "reading my mind". and no, it ain't a matter of me "liking to be in comfortable positions" as you say because if that were true, i'd just go along with the rest of ya'll and "blindly" accept any and everything that the chancellor & ad says about topics relative to the big south conference. this is the same chancellor that believed a d2 school that doesn't own its own football stadium, that has "unfavorable" football stadium leasing terms (no parking or concession income), that has a basketball facility that's no bigger than moore gym, is capable of sustaining itself at the d1 level. yes, this is the same chancellor who you "blindly" believe relative to the move to the bsc? look, i've listed "tons" of reasons why i oppose the move and i backed them up with "FACTS" that i don't care to rehash over and over again at this time. just do a search on my posts relative to the bsc and you'll find plenty of "FACTS" that i've listed explaining why i oppose this move. it ain't about feeling comfortable. you think me "opposing" all of ya'll by myself is "comfortable"? dude or dudette, you need to turn in your "psychic card"! now, before you respond, i'd also like to encourage you to stop quoting me on this subject so that folk won't keep "falsely" accusing me of trying to "hi-jack" this thread... I’m not putting words in your mouth I’m just throwing rebuttals to what you say. As far as wssu trying to move to D1 Bcu or Txsu doesn’t own the stadium they play in along with other schools on the fcs level and, a few schools have small basketball gyms on the fcs level since when does any of that matter to play D1 fcs ball? He wasn’t even there to see the school through that dark cloud but, I’m not understanding what that has to do with us? Are you implying our move to the big south will end in failure? I will dead anymore responses about this in this thread we have gotten completely off track at the main subject here. it ain't so much about not owning your own stadium, but its more so about having "unfavorable" leasing terms. get back to me when you can prove that those other schools have equally or worse leasing terms as wssu. we're talking no concessions or parking revenue plus paying leasing fees. for comparison sake, here's what wssu's stadium agreement stipulates. would it be wise to transition to d1 under these circumstances? www.nccivitas.org/2013/wssu-bowman-gray-stadium-bad-deal/Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 19, 2021 0:41:19 GMT -5
So yeah, we went and visited Kansas University today. Drove over a hill and voila, there was a phenomenal 50,000 seat stadium sitting right there. Blew our minds.
As I drove away I thought about how it would be close to impossible for us to get on the p5 level. I then thought about how we allowed the likes of Charlotte and Coastal come in and swoop right past us while we remained in the status quo. The status quo was the MEAC. Not taking anything away from the remaining schools in the MEAC but other than all being hbcus we had very little in common. Our size, support, abilities, and aspirations are different at this point. The other schools would be holding us back and we would be dragging them into ruin. It was better for all parties that we leave.
Us P5? No. But Notre Dame started out as a little Catholic school before they became what they are. Wake Forest could have and should have been the Notre Dame for Baptists had they emphasized athletics. Liberty has decided they will be the Notre Dame for Baptists and they are steadily moving forward. Grambling was the Black Notre Dame but they no longer have the capability. Who’s going to be that Black FBS team we can rally around? Who’s gonna be the Black FBS team this young man could have in his top four and people would say “he’s most likely headed to the hbcu.” It should be US and I believe our administration are laying plans for ir to be us despite the naysayers and the folks who rue the hard decisions that had to be made and will have to be made to help us get there.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 19, 2021 7:33:00 GMT -5
So yeah, we went and visited Kansas University today. Drove over a hill and voila, there was a phenomenal 50,000 seat stadium sitting right there. Blew our minds. As I drove away I thought about how it would be close to impossible for us to get on the p5 level. I then thought about how we allowed the likes of Charlotte and Coastal come in and swoop right past us while we remained in the status quo. The status quo was the MEAC. Not taking anything away from the remaining schools in the MEAC but other than all being hbcus we had very little in common. Our size, support, abilities, and aspirations are different at this point. The other schools would be holding us back and we would be dragging them into ruin. It was better for all parties that we leave. Us P5? No. But Notre Dame started out as a little Catholic school before they became what they are. Wake Forest could have and should have been the Notre Dame for Baptists had they emphasized athletics. Liberty has decided they will be the Notre Dame for Baptists and they are steadily moving forward. Grambling was the Black Notre Dame but they no longer have the capability. Who’s going to be that Black FBS team we can rally around? Who’s gonna be the Black FBS team this young man could have in his top four and people would say “he’s most likely headed to the hbcu.” It should be US and I believe our administration are laying plans for ir to be us despite the naysayers and the folks who rue the hard decisions that had to be made and will have to be made to help us get there. Great post
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Jun 19, 2021 9:43:11 GMT -5
So yeah, we went and visited Kansas University today. Drove over a hill and voila, there was a phenomenal 50,000 seat stadium sitting right there. Blew our minds. As I drove away I thought about how it would be close to impossible for us to get on the p5 level. I then thought about how we allowed the likes of Charlotte and Coastal come in and swoop right past us while we remained in the status quo. The status quo was the MEAC. Not taking anything away from the remaining schools in the MEAC but other than all being hbcus we had very little in common. Our size, support, abilities, and aspirations are different at this point. The other schools would be holding us back and we would be dragging them into ruin. It was better for all parties that we leave. Us P5? No. But Notre Dame started out as a little Catholic school before they became what they are. Wake Forest could have and should have been the Notre Dame for Baptists had they emphasized athletics. Liberty has decided they will be the Notre Dame for Baptists and they are steadily moving forward. Grambling was the Black Notre Dame but they no longer have the capability. Who’s going to be that Black FBS team we can rally around? Who’s gonna be the Black FBS team this young man could have in his top four and people would say “he’s most likely headed to the hbcu.” It should be US and I believe our administration are laying plans for ir to be us despite the naysayers and the folks who rue the hard decisions that had to be made and will have to be made to help us get there. Great post This is a great post. It was only a matter of time for us...and FAMU has been in and out of the conference for some time now. Morgan and Howard have potential, but lack the administrative desire. It's a shame the MEAC didn't try to change from within. Simply being HBCUs will not be enough glue to hold the MEAC together. The same forces that were at work to move A&T and a few others out of the CIAA have been in the air for years now. Thinking about it, there are schools in the CIAA right now that are really settlings for the "status quo", and in doing so holding themselves back. I can't predict the future, and will have to admit that change is hard...but I'm glad to see that A&T is willing to try.
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Post by bseballaggie on Jun 19, 2021 15:56:54 GMT -5
So yeah, we went and visited Kansas University today. Drove over a hill and voila, there was a phenomenal 50,000 seat stadium sitting right there. Blew our minds. As I drove away I thought about how it would be close to impossible for us to get on the p5 level. I then thought about how we allowed the likes of Charlotte and Coastal come in and swoop right past us while we remained in the status quo. The status quo was the MEAC. Not taking anything away from the remaining schools in the MEAC but other than all being hbcus we had very little in common. Our size, support, abilities, and aspirations are different at this point. The other schools would be holding us back and we would be dragging them into ruin. It was better for all parties that we leave. Us P5? No. But Notre Dame started out as a little Catholic school before they became what they are. Wake Forest could have and should have been the Notre Dame for Baptists had they emphasized athletics. Liberty has decided they will be the Notre Dame for Baptists and they are steadily moving forward. Grambling was the Black Notre Dame but they no longer have the capability. Who’s going to be that Black FBS team we can rally around? Who’s gonna be the Black FBS team this young man could have in his top four and people would say “he’s most likely headed to the hbcu.” It should be US and I believe our administration are laying plans for ir to be us despite the naysayers and the folks who rue the hard decisions that had to be made and will have to be made to help us get there. Dang Dooms this and the performances of our track team, being included in a 5 stars final four have have me rewatching two of my favorite movies, Seabiscuit and The Great Debators! Remove the rear view mirror and look them in their eyes.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jun 19, 2021 16:23:05 GMT -5
So yeah, we went and visited Kansas University today. Drove over a hill and voila, there was a phenomenal 50,000 seat stadium sitting right there. Blew our minds. As I drove away I thought about how it would be close to impossible for us to get on the p5 level. I then thought about how we allowed the likes of Charlotte and Coastal come in and swoop right past us while we remained in the status quo. The status quo was the MEAC. Not taking anything away from the remaining schools in the MEAC but other than all being hbcus we had very little in common. Our size, support, abilities, and aspirations are different at this point. The other schools would be holding us back and we would be dragging them into ruin. It was better for all parties that we leave. Us P5? No. But Notre Dame started out as a little Catholic school before they became what they are. Wake Forest could have and should have been the Notre Dame for Baptists had they emphasized athletics. Liberty has decided they will be the Notre Dame for Baptists and they are steadily moving forward. Grambling was the Black Notre Dame but they no longer have the capability. Who’s going to be that Black FBS team we can rally around? Who’s gonna be the Black FBS team this young man could have in his top four and people would say “he’s most likely headed to the hbcu.” It should be US and I believe our administration are laying plans for ir to be us despite the naysayers and the folks who rue the hard decisions that had to be made and will have to be made to help us get there. I hope this post helps some understand what we are trying to do. All schools in the MEAC are pursing greatness however our pursuit is at much faster pace. It’s like we running 120 in a Mustang KR other schools rolling in a 2008 Taurus …the Taurus will run 120 but it take long time to get up to that speed and that car although a good one is not made to run 120 mph for long the car shaking and the driver scared to death. The above post is correct us leaving is good for us and majority of the MEAC members
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Post by aggielaw on Jun 19, 2021 16:31:06 GMT -5
I remember about 20 years ago a family friend from FAMU referred to A&T as a "nice second."
We have to capitalize on our momentum!
Let's go!
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Post by 919aggie on Jun 19, 2021 16:47:35 GMT -5
At the end of the day our administration is doing what's best to move NC A&T forward...Not the MEAC or Big South. 'Relationships' should be mutually beneficial and you can't force someone to share your vision. The only thing this transition could potentially hurt is ticket sales.
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Post by zai on Jun 19, 2021 19:51:17 GMT -5
At the end of the day our administration is doing what's best to move NC A&T forward...Not the MEAC or Big South. 'Relationships' should be mutually beneficial and you can't force someone to share your vision. The only thing this transition could potentially hurt is ticket sales. that’s another big thing ticket sales. The only big football school for some miles should definitely start focusing on getting the surrounding area into the fan base I mean that sheeet wide open for A&T to take over. From billboards to murlas to community service, we have to paint the picture literally and figuratively that this is the top show for miles and the hero’s you want to see. That should be another focus before the school across town gets their wheels spinning and take advantage on the biggest thing we’re slacking on.
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 20, 2021 0:26:22 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing, but I think I’ll start another thread pertaining to that topic once I get more stationary.
Semi on, semi off topic, we saw Mizzou, Lincoln U of Missouri, and a local high school situated next to Lincoln. Mizzou was of course fabulous but something I believe we could achieve on a smaller scale (and therefore coax more five stars our way in due time). Wifey even said it sorta reminded her of a bigger nicer Aggie Stadium.
Lincoln and Jefferson City High have stadiums that are literally a three minute walk from each other. When we came off the highway and rounded the corner and saw a smaller but well constructed and upkept concrete stadium facing the road wifey and I both said pretty good for a small d-2 hbcu. Then I realized the colors were wrong and saw a logo that said JC. Almost directly in sight behind that stadium and to the right was a similar looking concrete stadium that looked slightly smaller, drab, and although also concrete just not as inviting. That was Lincoln’s.
There’s no way in hell a college arena should be comparable to a high school’s, much less worse. That’s where oleschool is right. We will have to improve our facilities dramatically to move from being mentioned or done a favor by a kid putting us in his top four because he’s bored. We’ll also have to move up. Playing FCS only gets you so far. If we’re the only FBS hbcu or one of three, we will get some heavier stars than we would’ve gotten as an FCS team. Money follows wins. Wins follow stars as long as they’re disciplined and well coached.
We CAN do this. This young man isn’t coming to T right off but he may anchor the d line in a few years and be a part of the springboard to FBS.
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Post by lobengula on Jun 20, 2021 16:42:32 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing, but I think I’ll start another thread pertaining to that topic once I get more stationary. Semi on, semi off topic, we saw Mizzou, Lincoln U of Missouri, and a local high school situated next to Lincoln. Mizzou was of course fabulous but something I believe we could achieve on a smaller scale (and therefore coax more five stars our way in due time). Wifey even said it sorta reminded her of a bigger nicer Aggie Stadium. Lincoln and Jefferson City High have stadiums that are literally a three minute walk from each other. When we came off the highway and rounded the corner and saw a smaller but well constructed and upkept concrete stadium facing the road wifey and I both said pretty good for a small d-2 hbcu. Then I realized the colors were wrong and saw a logo that said JC. Almost directly in sight behind that stadium and to the right was a similar looking concrete stadium that looked slightly smaller, drab, and although also concrete just not as inviting. That was Lincoln’s. There’s no way in hell a college arena should be comparable to a high school’s, much less worse. That’s where oleschool is right. We will have to improve our facilities dramatically to move from being mentioned or done a favor by a kid putting us in his top four because he’s bored. We’ll also have to move up. Playing FCS only gets you so far. If we’re the only FBS hbcu or one of three, we will get some heavier stars than we would’ve gotten as an FCS team. Money follows wins. Wins follow stars as long as they’re disciplined and well coached. We CAN do this. This young man isn’t coming to T right off but he may anchor the d line in a few years and be a part of the springboard to FBS. He is just like the kid who pimped FAMU before going to Oregon I believe. This mindset is off code. Despite the progress that A&T has accomplished with the recent NCAA track performance this kid is out of touch with reality in terms of the historic calling.
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Post by saabman on Jun 20, 2021 20:54:48 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing, but I think I’ll start another thread pertaining to that topic once I get more stationary. Semi on, semi off topic, we saw Mizzou, Lincoln U of Missouri, and a local high school situated next to Lincoln. Mizzou was of course fabulous but something I believe we could achieve on a smaller scale (and therefore coax more five stars our way in due time). Wifey even said it sorta reminded her of a bigger nicer Aggie Stadium. Lincoln and Jefferson City High have stadiums that are literally a three minute walk from each other. When we came off the highway and rounded the corner and saw a smaller but well constructed and upkept concrete stadium facing the road wifey and I both said pretty good for a small d-2 hbcu. Then I realized the colors were wrong and saw a logo that said JC. Almost directly in sight behind that stadium and to the right was a similar looking concrete stadium that looked slightly smaller, drab, and although also concrete just not as inviting. That was Lincoln’s. There’s no way in hell a college arena should be comparable to a high school’s, much less worse. That’s where oleschool is right. We will have to improve our facilities dramatically to move from being mentioned or done a favor by a kid putting us in his top four because he’s bored. We’ll also have to move up. Playing FCS only gets you so far. If we’re the only FBS hbcu or one of three, we will get some heavier stars than we would’ve gotten as an FCS team. Money follows wins. Wins follow stars as long as they’re disciplined and well coached. We CAN do this. This young man isn’t coming to T right off but he may anchor the d line in a few years and be a part of the springboard to FBS. He is just like the kid who pimped FAMU before going to Oregon I believe. This mindset is off code. Despite the progress that A&T has accomplished with the recent NCAA track performance this kid is out of touch with reality in terms of the historic calling. Do you know this kid ? Now even if A&T had a slight chance, there would be no chance after reading some of the BS that is being said about him and I would not blame him at all . Sometimes it is best to keep your thoughts to yourself and let the process play out instead of making unsubstantiated generalizations !
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Post by lobengula on Jun 21, 2021 23:34:11 GMT -5
I do not know this young man, but listening to his narrative it apparent that he has not seriously considered A&T. Too many of our youth are about being impressionable in terms of marketing. Too many have abandoned the traditional codes and value. In fact too many are "thinking acting trying to be white,..." This remains our challenge in terms of our youth; Blackness is still taboo in our current cultural realities.
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