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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 14:48:04 GMT -5
If he decides to transfer, hopefully, he chooses the school with swag.
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Post by saabman on Jun 16, 2021 15:34:26 GMT -5
Yeah, he was saying all of the right things up until that line. Without the proper context it sounds like he was giving us a backhand compliment by throwing us a bone and giving us a look for "other" athletes. Let's be honest, its a long shot for us to get this kid so my hopes were never high, but that didn't sound right. Lets not sugar coat anything. He's not coming to T. He was giving us a shout out and in his mind he feels as though he is doing us a favor. I am not going to bash the young man. I am sure he had good intentions but the words he use was not the best. Its all good. I wish nothing but the best for the young man. You did just that "Bash the young man " at 16 going on 17 what words would you have used. I wonder what you would have said if A&T was in the Top Two . They youngman made a statement don't read into it anymore then it is .
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Post by Maxell on Jun 16, 2021 15:44:06 GMT -5
To the casual fan this is just a football decision, but today these types of decisions are bigger than football. Some of these large programs, particularly in the South, look and feel like football plantations with Black assistant coaches being used as "overseers" without them realizing it. It reminds of the episode of "The Underground Railroad" on Amazon Prime where the South Carolina town presented itself for the "betterment of Negros" but was really was a plot to destroy the race. I know I'm oversimplifying but as the curtain gets raised and the hoods come off, you realize more and more as Michael Jackson said, "they don't really care about us", no matter what they say or do. How dare UNC deny tenure to the author of the 1619 project and think that's OK when ALL prior professors in that position have received tenure immediately. Then, they have the audacity to aggressively recruit Black football players as if they're the greatest school on earth. Please. www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/business/media/nikole-hannah-jones-unc.htmlI wish the young man covering and success in life whatever his decision is and to be sure it's a good fit for him. I literally just said the same thing after you posted it Maxell. I'm 1000% percent in agreement with you. Freeze, you know you prompted me to go back and look at the racist histories of those three schools (UGA,UNC and Clemson). Geesh!!! Some things you wish you never knew for real.
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Post by trues on Jun 16, 2021 17:15:33 GMT -5
Lets not sugar coat anything. He's not coming to T. He was giving us a shout out and in his mind he feels as though he is doing us a favor. I am not going to bash the young man. I am sure he had good intentions but the words he use was not the best. Its all good. I wish nothing but the best for the young man. You did just that "Bash the young man " at 16 going on 17 what words would you have used. I wonder what you would have said if A&T was in the Top Two . They youngman made a statement don't read into it anymore then it is . Like I said Boy!!! He did not use the best words when it appeared he was doing A&T a favor we don't want favors we want you to come to A&T!!! Thats all I going to say I dont have to explain no more you HOW BOUT THAT!!!!
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jun 16, 2021 18:03:48 GMT -5
Only thing I will say after listening to his interview. I am confident our Coaching staff can layout a well structured plan for him and provide the positives reason for him to become an Aggie. I don’t think they will shy away from the things that Clemson or UNC can provided that we can’t but at the same time if his wish is to go to the NFL we can give him that.
We have in recent years developed 1star, 2 star and no star kids to the NFL. So we can get him there for sure if he measures up to those 5 stars.
But it sounded like to me he just threw us a bone 🦴 but I do hope he sat down with Coach Washington and staff
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Post by saabman on Jun 16, 2021 19:07:48 GMT -5
You did just that "Bash the young man " at 16 going on 17 what words would you have used. I wonder what you would have said if A&T was in the Top Two . They youngman made a statement don't read into it anymore then it is . Like I said Boy!!! He did not use the best words when it appeared he was doing A&T a favor we don't want favors we want you to come to A&T!!! Thats all I going to say I dont have to explain no more you HOW BOUT THAT!!!! LOL The Truth Hurts . Dude do you need a Hug for that anger management , please get some Help !!! RESPECT SMIB !
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Post by aggie94 on Jun 16, 2021 19:24:52 GMT -5
He's a Highschool kid...I wouldn't look too much into that comment. Agreed... working with high schoolers daily I am confident there was no intentional shade being thrown.
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Post by Freeze on Jun 16, 2021 23:42:32 GMT -5
I literally just said the same thing after you posted it Maxell. I'm 1000% percent in agreement with you. Freeze, you know you prompted me to go back and look at the racist histories of those three schools (UGA,UNC and Clemson). Geesh!!! Some things you wish you never knew for real. There are STARK differences that separate the histories of most predominantly white institutions and HBCUs. Those differences are magnified even more when examining the histories of PWIs in the deep south. It wasn't simply about practicing segregation...many of those institutions were DEEPLY implicated in the slave trade and adopted a curriculum that openly embraced white supremacy. And then they produced alumni who took up positions of power and ensured that racist policies would continue to marginalize and dehumanize Black folks for generations to come. I don't fault a kid for choosing to attend a PWI, whether they are students or student-athletes. But you've got to know what you are getting into and come to the hard realization that these are spaces that were never intended for Black folks and residual hostilities against Black folks on those campuses still manifest themselves in a variety of ways. They may cheer for you on the field and treat you like a celebrity across campus, but just don't act shocked when racism rears its ugly head. The white academy is literally where the concept of white supremacy was born. So its great that this brother has us in his top 4, but we are NOT them and they are NOT us for a variety of different reasons...most of which have nothing to do with the comparative size of stadiums or the amount of money we spend on sports. I hope he understands that.
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Post by ohsixrain on Jun 17, 2021 8:25:22 GMT -5
Here is the narrative that I would love to see A&T adopt but I am sure they would never publicly embrace this stance....but hell....I'll say it. Three of these schools are not like the other. UNC, UGA, and Clemson were all founded by white supremacists and slave owners and then perpetuated those ideas for years to come. Hell...just last month UNC wouldn't even grant tenure to a Black woman who won a Pulitzer Prize for telling America that slavery and white supremacy is at the very core of our national origin story. www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/business/media/nikole-hannah-jones-unc.htmlHowever, out of those four choices, one of these schools has been at the center of the Black liberation movement since its inception. It was the catalyst for the student activism that powered the civil rights movement. Its produced world leaders in every facet of life, its produced world class athletes who have succeeded at the professional level and Black lives have ALWAYS MATTERED there. These predominantly white institutions only care about mining our kid's talents, exploiting them for millions of dollars, and the majority of their boosters and fans could care less about the communities that their African American athletes come from. Simply put.....It's time for our kids to start coming HOME. i agree with everything you posted. however, a&t withdrew its support from an hbcu conference in order to give it's support to a bunch of institutions that are no different from the pwc's you criticized. how ironic... Hmmmm....that's heavy, right there!!!
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Post by ohsixrain on Jun 17, 2021 8:28:07 GMT -5
If today's high school athlete is going to be socially conscious, I need more than just a shout out. In my opinion, that's not enough.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Jun 17, 2021 8:50:22 GMT -5
Here is the narrative that I would love to see A&T adopt but I am sure they would never publicly embrace this stance....but hell....I'll say it. Three of these schools are not like the other. UNC, UGA, and Clemson were all founded by white supremacists and slave owners and then perpetuated those ideas for years to come. Hell...just last month UNC wouldn't even grant tenure to a Black woman who won a Pulitzer Prize for telling America that slavery and white supremacy is at the very core of our national origin story. www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/business/media/nikole-hannah-jones-unc.htmlHowever, out of those four choices, one of these schools has been at the center of the Black liberation movement since its inception. It was the catalyst for the student activism that powered the civil rights movement. Its produced world leaders in every facet of life, its produced world class athletes who have succeeded at the professional level and Black lives have ALWAYS MATTERED there. These predominantly white institutions only care about mining our kid's talents, exploiting them for millions of dollars, and the majority of their boosters and fans could care less about the communities that their African American athletes come from. Simply put.....It's time for our kids to start coming HOME. i agree with everything you posted. however, a&t withdrew its support from an hbcu conference in order to give it's support to a bunch of institutions that are no different from the pwc's you criticized. how ironic... So A&T should stay in the MEAC no matter what? Even if the conference isn't working for US? I'm all for supporting Black organizations...business...schools...etc...but sometimes, and I hope I'm wrong...but you sound as if you think we "owe" the MEAC something. The relationship should be mutually beneficial, not a "just because" partnership. Perhaps our leadership was wrong...that has to be proven. That said, they reviewed the options and how it fit with the universities plans and decided it was best to move on. I'm not sure what's next for A&T sports in the future...what I can say is that without some changes, the MEAC is not in that future.
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Post by Freeze on Jun 17, 2021 9:27:18 GMT -5
i agree with everything you posted. however, a&t withdrew its support from an hbcu conference in order to give it's support to a bunch of institutions that are no different from the pwc's you criticized. how ironic... So A&T should stay in the MEAC no matter what? Even if the conference isn't working for US? I'm all for supporting Black organizations...business...schools...etc...but sometimes, and I hope I'm wrong...but you sound as if you think we "owe" the MEAC something. The relationship should be mutually beneficial, not a "just because" partnership. Perhaps our leadership was wrong...that has to be proven. That said, they reviewed the options and how it fit with the universities plans and decided it was best to move on. I'm not sure what's next for A&T sports in the future...what I can say is that without some changes, the MEAC is not in that future. I don't want to get off topic from this young brother putting us in his top four, but let me be very clear, I do not share Ole School's sentiments that A&T has made a mistake in weighing its options and making the decision to move to another athletic conference. We have to do what is best for us and I trust our leadership has taken EVERYTHING into account in making this decision. I was just merely pointing out that if this young brother's final decision comes down to anything other than playing on a huge stage, and for an institution that has vast athletic resources and infrastructure, then he should take into account that A&T was and is a space that was literally built to support, nurture, and empower Black folks and those other institutions are light years away from that purpose and intent and in many ways have shown no interest in cultivating that type of space for Black students and faculty even to this very day. Having said that, I registered my initial concerns about our move on this site when the transition was first announced and I do believe that there will be some SHARP growing pains that we will experience and most of it will be related to no longer being affiliated with our fellow HBCUs in the same athletic conferences. By in large, TSU alumni and students don't enjoy being in the OVC, Hampton alumni and students don't enjoy being in the Big South, and I strongly suspect that the majority of our fans and alumni will be seriously disgruntled about regularly playing Robert Morris, Campbell, and Monmouth as opposed to Howard, Florida A&M, and SC State. We'll see how it all shakes out. Hopefully the benefits will far outweigh the losses.
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Post by saabman on Jun 17, 2021 16:07:18 GMT -5
Freeze, you know you prompted me to go back and look at the racist histories of those three schools (UGA,UNC and Clemson). Geesh!!! Some things you wish you never knew for real. There are STARK differences that separate the histories of most predominantly white institutions and HBCUs. Those differences are magnified even more when examining the histories of PWIs in the deep south. It wasn't simply about practicing segregation...many of those institutions were DEEPLY implicated in the slave trade and adopted a curriculum that openly embraced white supremacy. And then they produced alumni who took up positions of power and ensured that racist policies would continue to marginalize and dehumanize Black folks for generations to come. I don't fault a kid for choosing to attend a PWI, whether they are students or student-athletes. But you've got to know what you are getting into and come to the hard realization that these are spaces that were never intended for Black folks and residual hostilities against Black folks on those campuses still manifest themselves in a variety of ways. They may cheer for you on the field and treat you like a celebrity across campus, but just don't act shocked when racism rears its ugly head. The white academy is literally where the concept of white supremacy was born. So its great that this brother has us in his top 4, but we are NOT them and they are NOT us for a variety of different reasons...most of which have nothing to do with the comparative size of stadiums or the amount of money we spend on sports. I hope he understands that. Some of you act as if the youngmans family and close support Circle which consists of HBCU graduates have not had this conversation with him . You forget that this youngman was born here in Greensboro . Some kids just want to get away . Do not think one moment that the youngman is walking into this blind because he's not .
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Post by Maxell on Jun 17, 2021 16:20:02 GMT -5
There are STARK differences that separate the histories of most predominantly white institutions and HBCUs. Those differences are magnified even more when examining the histories of PWIs in the deep south. It wasn't simply about practicing segregation...many of those institutions were DEEPLY implicated in the slave trade and adopted a curriculum that openly embraced white supremacy. And then they produced alumni who took up positions of power and ensured that racist policies would continue to marginalize and dehumanize Black folks for generations to come. I don't fault a kid for choosing to attend a PWI, whether they are students or student-athletes. But you've got to know what you are getting into and come to the hard realization that these are spaces that were never intended for Black folks and residual hostilities against Black folks on those campuses still manifest themselves in a variety of ways. They may cheer for you on the field and treat you like a celebrity across campus, but just don't act shocked when racism rears its ugly head. The white academy is literally where the concept of white supremacy was born. So its great that this brother has us in his top 4, but we are NOT them and they are NOT us for a variety of different reasons...most of which have nothing to do with the comparative size of stadiums or the amount of money we spend on sports. I hope he understands that. Some of you act as if the youngmans family and close support Circle which consists of HBCU graduates have not had this conversation with him . You forget that this youngman was born here in Greensboro . Some kids just want to get away . Do not think one moment that the youngman is walking into this blind because he's not . We are not acting like anything. We're actually just giving our opinion on the subject. The NEXT kid very well may walk into it blindly if they are 1st generation.
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 18, 2021 0:45:42 GMT -5
On this family trip I’ve been on this month I’ve stopped through some campus. It’s been years since I’ve really been through any large pwi campus other than UMD, and their campus doesn’t move me.
Having been through Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Louisville, and Cincinnati’s campuses I have no idea how any hbcu beats a p5 program or even a solid mid-major for a kid. These schools’ campuses are cities within themselves with coliseums for stadia. They own the surrounding town as well.
Miracles do happen, but all the social consciousness in the world won’t make us a first choice IMO. A transfer destination? That’s more likely.
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