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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 21, 2020 16:46:11 GMT -5
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Post by saabman on Jan 21, 2020 18:47:40 GMT -5
Your rational makes sense but unless you have / had a daughter etc that has played beyond rec league its just how it is. Even though CC played 5 minutes she came back out and was sitting behind the bench that matters with young ladies. Against Morgan she was not present at all so that was there first game without CC. Look for Deja Winters to really step it up we can also go really big by playing Alexis, Jones-Pack, and Hill all on the floor at the same time. TXAggie I have to disagree with you on the fact that your statement is just a generalization because all female athletes are not the same nor do they handle adversity the same . My thing isTrack and Field and Football but my daughters chose basketball one played at Texas Tech with Sheryl Swoopes and the other at West Texas A&M and I must tell you those women had ice in there veins when a player with down it was the next woman up as if nothing had happened at all . I believe that the women just over looked MSU plain and simple . I wonder if anyone would have said that about the man's team if one of there starters or there star player would have went down before a game ; would the fans blame it on and emotional breakdown if they were men would the same thing be said ? Come on man they just played a crappy and mistake filled game . This lose had nothing to do with emotions but it did have a lot to do with Execution and the lack of execution .
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 22, 2020 9:43:16 GMT -5
Your rational makes sense but unless you have / had a daughter etc that has played beyond rec league its just how it is. Even though CC played 5 minutes she came back out and was sitting behind the bench that matters with young ladies. Against Morgan she was not present at all so that was there first game without CC.Look for Deja Winters to really step it up we can also go really big by playing Alexis, Jones-Pack, and Hill all on the floor at the same time. Clarification - CC was on the bench with the team at Morgan, wearing a gray warmup suit. I like Deja Winters, but she is mostly a (very good) shooter. I'm not saying that she can't, but she doesn't dribble and drive like Foy. She moves within the scheme of the offensive set to get open and shoot. Her game will have to get better, as well as everyone else's. Pieces will have to be picked up by everyone. Welp you got a point if CC was on the bench but I still expect the team to bounce back and Coach Rob to make some adjustments as well on Saturday ....
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 22, 2020 10:31:31 GMT -5
man, i hate to say it but some of our fans are cry babies! geeesh, its just one friggin' game! and a friggin' "road game" at that! omg, it ain't the end of the world and no, the "sky ain't falling". wow, folk just freak out over a road game that we didn't play our best ball in as if the season is now over. i don't think some people understand how much "pressure" it is to have a bull's eye on your back in each and every meac game you play, especially when on the road. when you don't have a bull's eye on your back, sometimes you can afford to play just your average game and still win. can't do that when you have a bull's eye on your back, you've got to bring your "best game" in every game against average or above competition. the season ain't over, we still control our own destiny. it is not the end of the world. we lost one of our best players and it takes time to redefine your rotation and get over cc's injury "mentally"... This sounds like you have no problem excepting mediocrity. If you are not striving to be the best then there is no need to keep score. The difference between the top teams in ladies D1 basketball and our team is not that great. We have the size to play with anyone in the country as evident by our game against South Carolina. I understand it is just one early game but you got to win he games that you are suppose to if you have hope of playing late in March. This could be a very good team but you cannot except lackadaisical play. Winters,McCray, Boyd, Wilson and Jones have to stepup and pickup the slack. Each of us ,I hope only want the best for all our teams. no, its not a matter of accepting mediocrity. instead, its a matter of understanding the emotional impact of losing arguably your best player "potentially" for the rest of the season only 2 days prior to playing a good morgan state team. this is not a "video game". unlike video games, these players actually have "feelings and emotions" which impacts their play. i think its rather "insensitive" not to consider that. we average about 63% from the free throw line which isn't great but it is reasonable. whereas, we only shot 30% from the free throw line against morgan state. to me, that tells me that our "focus" was not there, our minds were likely preoccupied with cc's unfortunate injury and what impact it might have on our season, and i think that affected our play. i've been in athletics all my life, played and/or coached football, basketball, and track/field for over 50 years. there's a "mental" aspect to all team sports that many casual fans don't understand. what i'm suggesting is that there's no need to "panic" over that loss to morgan state as many of you have. that game was still "winnable" even though we played without cc and probably played our worst game of the season. there's no reason to "freak out" over only 1 loss, especially since it was "on the road". so no, the sky ain't falling and no, the season ain't over. our ladies and the coaches must now make major "adjustments" to compensate for the lost of arguably our best player and those adjustments both "mental and physical" do not happen smoothly overnight. so yes, i'd suggest that everybody take a "chill pill" because we still control our own destiny and i have confidence that our coaches and players will rebound from the "mental and physical" challenges of losing cc. ain't got "nothing" whatsoever to do with accepting mediocrity...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 22, 2020 11:45:34 GMT -5
Clarification - CC was on the bench with the team at Morgan, wearing a gray warmup suit. I like Deja Winters, but she is mostly a (very good) shooter. I'm not saying that she can't, but she doesn't dribble and drive like Foy. She moves within the scheme of the offensive set to get open and shoot. Her game will have to get better, as well as everyone else's. Pieces will have to be picked up by everyone. Welp you got a point if CC was on the bench but I still expect the team to bounce back and Coach Rob to make some adjustments as well on Saturday .... I agree. Some of the commentary on this issue (and other threads) makes it seem like our kids are robots and should have the ability to block out everything that happens, play through injury/pain and come out victorious 100% of the time. News flash... they're not robots. They're 18-23 year olds. And the sky hasn't fallen with the Morgan loss. The mental/emotional reset this week is huge after a devastating loss of a player like CC. This is especially true in a sport like women's basketball with an us-against-the-world mentality that most male posters on here will never fully understand. Without CC, we're a team with 2 really hot shooters (Deja and Cinia), 2 effective post bigs (Shugg & Jayla), a highly effective post defender/rebounder (Le'on), a decent PG who didn't play well Monday (Mikaya) and some OK support pieces off the bench (Jasmen, Kennedy, Telly, Kendra). And we're still an overall very good defensive team. What we're not right now is an effective dribble-drive team without CC. CC was tied for the team lead in assists. So we're going to have to become a more effective passing team in the halfcourt rather than an over-dribbling team. That's this week's work for our coaching staff. We saw some of the blueprint in the Coppin game. It's fair to be critical. But right now is a time to rally around the 4-game home stand. I'm looking forward to Saturday. #BeatBCU
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Post by saabman on Jan 22, 2020 12:18:58 GMT -5
Welp you got a point if CC was on the bench but I still expect the team to bounce back and Coach Rob to make some adjustments as well on Saturday .... I agree. Some of the commentary on this issue (and other threads) makes it seem like our kids are robots and should have the ability to block out everything that happens, play through injury/pain and come out victorious 100% of the time. News flash... they're not robots. They're 18-23 year olds. And the sky hasn't fallen with the Morgan loss. The mental/emotional reset this week is huge after a devastating loss of a player like CC. This is especially true in a sport like women's basketball with an us-against-the-world mentality that most male posters on here will never fully understand. Without CC, we're a team with 2 really hot shooters (Deja and Cinia), 2 effective post bigs (Shugg & Jayla), a highly effective post defender/rebounder (Le'on), a decent PG who didn't play well Monday (Mikaya) and some OK support pieces off the bench (Jasmen, Kennedy, Telly, Kendra). And we're still an overall very good defensive team. What we're not right now is an effective dribble-drive team without CC. CC was tied for the team lead in assists. So we're going to have to become a more effective passing team in the halfcourt rather than an over-dribbling team. That's this week's work for our coaching staff. We saw some of the blueprint in the Coppin game. It's fair to be critical. But right now is a time to rally around the 4-game home stand. I'm looking forward to Saturday. #BeatBCU I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of the female basketball teams emotional state prior to the Morgan State game but the problem I have with the statement is would you have said the same thing for the men's team emotionally if they lost a player . I must have been fortunate coaching female athletes that were cold blooded during the game an emotional after the game . They made it a point to play and communicate just this hard as if there star player was still on the floor with them that's all I'm saying . We always dedicated the game to our injured teammates . I know if Highschool and middle school players can play hard mistake-free basketball when they have lost there # 1 player ; there is know way that college athletes shouldn be able to do the same .
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Jan 22, 2020 12:25:17 GMT -5
We lost to JCSU last year!!
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jan 22, 2020 12:29:08 GMT -5
Saabman makes a good point. I gotta be honest here - if Ronald Jackson or Kam Langley had a potentially season-ending injury, I just don't know how many of these same posters would be using the word "emotions" or "emotionally" with respect to the impact it would have on the rest of the team. I'm not saying anyone is sexist - but just be mindful of the language you're emitting on the website.
Frankly, I was concerned about the impact her injury would have had on the Coppin game. If anything, the team looked like robots in that game as they went to Coppin's tail after that injury. Again, that may just point to how bad Coppin is, but this team did not fall off one bit after CC got hurt vs Coppin. Versus Morgan ---- we saw what happened. CC's height and dribbling-driving ability would have gotten us over the hump vs Morgan, but hey, it is what it is.
Coach has got his work cut out for him.....this is a HUGE CHALLENGE, particularly when factoring in the high expectations heaped upon this team.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 22, 2020 12:47:54 GMT -5
I agree. Some of the commentary on this issue (and other threads) makes it seem like our kids are robots and should have the ability to block out everything that happens, play through injury/pain and come out victorious 100% of the time. News flash... they're not robots. They're 18-23 year olds. And the sky hasn't fallen with the Morgan loss. The mental/emotional reset this week is huge after a devastating loss of a player like CC. This is especially true in a sport like women's basketball with an us-against-the-world mentality that most male posters on here will never fully understand. Without CC, we're a team with 2 really hot shooters (Deja and Cinia), 2 effective post bigs (Shugg & Jayla), a highly effective post defender/rebounder (Le'on), a decent PG who didn't play well Monday (Mikaya) and some OK support pieces off the bench (Jasmen, Kennedy, Telly, Kendra). And we're still an overall very good defensive team. What we're not right now is an effective dribble-drive team without CC. CC was tied for the team lead in assists. So we're going to have to become a more effective passing team in the halfcourt rather than an over-dribbling team. That's this week's work for our coaching staff. We saw some of the blueprint in the Coppin game. It's fair to be critical. But right now is a time to rally around the 4-game home stand. I'm looking forward to Saturday. #BeatBCU I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of the female basketball teams emotional state prior to the Morgan State game but the problem I have with the statement is would you have said the same thing for the men's team emotionally if they lost a player . I must have been fortunate coaching female athletes that were cold blooded during the game an emotional after the game . They made it a point to play and communicate just this hard as if there star player was still on the floor with them that's all I'm saying . We always dedicated the game to our injured teammates . I know if Highschool and middle school players can play hard mistake-free basketball when they have lost there # 1 player ; there is know way that college athletes shouldn be able to do the same . Sure @ your experience. But were you 400 miles away from home on the back of a 4th consecutive road conference game when it happened? Were you on a 28-game conference win streak with the bullseye on your back when it happened? I respect your experience... but to compare the two circumstances in a vacuum is a tough one to try. And the short answer to your other question... If Kam Langley or Ron Jackson go down with a serious injury? We're pretty much done. Same as if NCCU loses Jibri Blount.... or SC State loses Damari Applewhite, or BCU loses Cletrell Pope. And especially if NSU loses Chanette Hicks. Most squads are one key injury away from disaster. We're fortunate that our WBB squad is deep enough to absorb that type of major loss. It just all came crashing down in the following game. The key thing I think you saw from our WBB is how much of a family they really are under Coach Robinson. Monday is a lesson in understanding how to play under that type of strain, but being able to use it as a strength moving forward.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 22, 2020 13:11:59 GMT -5
i agree with durham. not unusual to have an "emotional letdown" under those circumstances. one day you're estatic to get your starting center back on the court, the next day you lose your best player. that's one heckuva "emotional swing". i can easily see how minor depression could somewhat sink in...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 22, 2020 13:16:23 GMT -5
Saabman makes a good point. I gotta be honest here - if Ronald Jackson or Kam Langley had a potentially season-ending injury, I just don't know how many of these same posters would be using the word "emotions" or "emotionally" with respect to the impact it would have on the rest of the team. I'm not saying anyone is sexist - but just be mindful of the language you're emitting on the website. Frankly, I was concerned about the impact her injury would have had on the Coppin game. If anything, the team looked like robots in that game as they went to Coppin's tail after that injury. Again, that may just point to how bad Coppin is, but this team did not fall off one bit after CC got hurt vs Coppin. Versus Morgan ---- we saw what happened. CC's height and dribbling-driving ability would have gotten us over the hump vs Morgan, but hey, it is what it is. Coach has got his work cut out for him.....this is a HUGE CHALLENGE, particularly when factoring in the high expectations heaped upon this team. It's funny that you mentioned Kam & Ron while I was typing a response that referenced them. But there's a big difference between the makeup of WBB and MBB right now. Kam has been here 3 years. 6 guys have been here 2 years. Counting CC... there are 6 ladies who have been together for FOUR years, with 4 ladies here for 2 years. That's a super-tightly woven group. If the men had that much continuity... it wouldn't surprise me at all if they tanked in a game under similar circumstances. Coppin is 0-17. They are that bad. We both agree on CC's impact on a game like Morgan. This is a reset week. Oh... there are other things that I can see that folks need to be careful about posting on publicly over the past week. But it's a free country with free speech. I'm learning I can't let everything get to me because I don't control people's thoughts.
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Post by bseballaggie on Jan 22, 2020 18:43:28 GMT -5
i agree with durham. not unusual to have an "emotional letdown" under those circumstances. one day you're estatic to get your starting center back on the court, the next day you lose your best player. that's one heckuva "emotional swing". i can easily see how minor depression could somewhat sink in... So if you really don’t understand the emotional impact a change impacts a team, with women. Remember that home 5 game home stand we made under Coach Bibbs...Clemson, Liberty, Sienna etc, then we went on a six game road losing streak! The night before that road trip, a freshman’s mother called and complained that her daughter, was being hazed and that she was pulling her out of the school, Coach pulled everybody off the bus, into the gym and really let the team have it, she called some names and made threats to bench people most of the team was confused, but you could see the emotional and energy change within the team that entire road trip, personal feelings were hurt and apathy was displayed, one player did not come back to school from that road trip, her choice but the emotional impact resulted in team chemistry being destroyed!
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Post by saabman on Jan 22, 2020 20:43:21 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of the female basketball teams emotional state prior to the Morgan State game but the problem I have with the statement is would you have said the same thing for the men's team emotionally if they lost a player . I must have been fortunate coaching female athletes that were cold blooded during the game an emotional after the game . They made it a point to play and communicate just this hard as if there star player was still on the floor with them that's all I'm saying . We always dedicated the game to our injured teammates . I know if Highschool and middle school players can play hard mistake-free basketball when they have lost there # 1 player ; there is know way that college athletes shouldn be able to do the same . Sure @ your experience. But were you 400 miles away from home on the back of a 4th consecutive road conference game when it happened? Were you on a 28-game conference win streak with the bullseye on your back when it happened? I respect your experience... but to compare the two circumstances in a vacuum is a tough one to try. And the short answer to your other question... If Kam Langley or Ron Jackson go down with a serious injury? We're pretty much done. Same as if NCCU loses Jibri Blount.... or SC State loses Damari Applewhite, or BCU loses Cletrell Pope. And especially if NSU loses Chanette Hicks. Most squads are one key injury away from disaster. We're fortunate that our WBB squad is deep enough to absorb that type of major loss. It just all came crashing down in the following game. The key thing I think you saw from our WBB is how much of a family they really are under Coach Robinson. Monday is a lesson in understanding how to play under that type of strain, but being able to use it as a strength moving forward. El Paso Texas is 600 miles from Amarillo Texas . Durham I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong or you are right and I'm wrong but all players are not the same . So can handle and adverse change on their team and use that change to motivate them and some can't . That is were the coach earns his paycheck . Robinson should have saw this coming it's called knowing your players . When you have that many turnovers it is time to call a time out and if need be replace some people if the players that you know are not playing up to there abilities being the HC is more then X's and O's it's knowing the psychological and emotional makeup of all of your players . I'm not blaming the players that Morgan State game was all on the Coach Rob .
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 22, 2020 22:43:01 GMT -5
wow, i think its pretty cool that the women's morgan state thread is just about as many pages as the men's morgan state thread...
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