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Post by SixtiesAggie on Oct 6, 2019 15:38:15 GMT -5
A minor observation from a person who is a first time youtube band visitor. Hire a drill instructor and show performance professional to work with the band on precision drills (ex. dress-right- dress), executing steps and good old creative imagination. However, their was no contest between the drum majors. NSU just had tall people high stepping with no skilled creativity. A&T's drum majors had skilled, precision steps and great baton handling. A&T's on field performances are great and unmatched. No school has a unit of auxiliary performers that come close to Golden Delight. They have versatility in one unit that no other school has, dancing, flag performance, baton twirling. And they perform throughout the whole show.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 6, 2019 19:05:59 GMT -5
**patiently waits on a "band head" to tell me who won** You know who won.
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Post by Freeze on Oct 6, 2019 21:30:41 GMT -5
**patiently waits on a "band head" to tell me who won** You know who won. Actually I don't. Didn't folks say NSU smoked us last year at the game? Well I wasn't at the game this year either. So........who won? Did we get smoked again?
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Post by Maxell on Oct 6, 2019 22:32:34 GMT -5
Actually I don't. Didn't folks say NSU smoked us last year at the game? Well I wasn't at the game this year either. So........who won? Did we get smoked again? I wasn't there but looking at all of the youtube footage, we pulled this one out. Golden Delight features won by a landslide with music and routine on two rounds, our rock medley and ballad rounds won. Norfolk won entrance, Spanish march rounds. Spirit medley and drumline rounds were too close to call. That would have us winning 4-2-2 IMO.
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Post by KidHeartless on Oct 7, 2019 1:58:40 GMT -5
song selection gives T the Win. All weekend
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 7, 2019 7:33:03 GMT -5
How can anybody beat NSU? Have you seen what their drum majors do to them sticks? It's like watching an old school H-Town video, but instead of humping the air all quick, they're humping brooms.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 7, 2019 8:49:33 GMT -5
As an official "Bandhead" let me say I'm glad the BGMM and Norfolk State held a "Band Brawl" and people are still buzzing about it. "Band Brawls" are a unique HBCU event and gives the band students, staff and fans another opportunity to show their school spirit and musical talent...and the band programs some minor funds.
Today's "Band Brawls" do not "declare" a winner. If they did, there would be fewer Band Brawls. As you can imagine, HBCU musical fans are very bias (surprise) and can not judge these event fairly. And even if they were not bias, the losing band and it's fans would still think they got robbed! That's why they don't declare a "winner." A few years ago Southern University notified Honda Battle of the Bands in Atlanta that it would not participate in the annual event if they announced a winner. They didn't want to participate in any event that had the potential of saying they were not the best band.
Let us continue to enjoy these unique events and support the bands and students that participate in them!
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Post by Maxell on Oct 7, 2019 9:51:11 GMT -5
As an official "Bandhead" let me say I'm glad the BGMM and Norfolk State held a "Band Brawl" and people are still buzzing about it. "Band Brawls" are a unique HBCU event and gives the band students, staff and fans another opportunity to show their school spirit and musical talent...and the band programs some minor funds. Today's "Band Brawls" do not "declare" a winner. If they did, there would be fewer Band Brawls. As you can imagine, HBCU musical fans are very bias (surprise) and can not judge these event fairly. And even if they were not bias, the losing band and it's fans would still think they got robbed! That's why they don't declare a "winner." A few years ago Southern University notified Honda Battle of the Bands in Atlanta that it would not participate in the annual event if they announced a winner. They didn't want to participate in any event that had the potential of saying they were not the best band. Let us continue to enjoy these unique events and support the bands and students that participate in them! I respectfully disagree with whoever decided not to declare a winner. There is ALWAYS a winner, even if it is unofficial. Otherwise it would not be a brawl. This whole mentality of not judging or declaring a winner is ludicris. I also do not buy the idea of not being able to find unbiased judges. I still consider HBCU band as much sport as it is performance. If winning didn't exist, this program achievement would not exist. In fact, we should apply for this in 2022.
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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 7, 2019 10:13:30 GMT -5
I think the one year they declared a winner of the Honda Battle of the bands, A&T took home the hardware (trophy). As far as the band brawl and this weekend, the BGMM represented well. I was pleasantly surprised...I didn't think we would show as well as we did in the hostile environment but, we did. So, kudos to the band program!!
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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 7, 2019 12:21:35 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree with whoever decided not to declare a winner. There is ALWAYS a winner, even if it is unofficial. (And "unofficially" the Blue & Gold Marching Machine won) Otherwise it would not be a brawl. (The definition of "brawl" is a rough or noisy fight or quarrel...not a competition that names a winner or loser) This whole mentality of not judging or declaring a winner is ludicris. (Like it or not, it is what it is. I think high school bands participate in "competitions" that are "judged" but I've not heard of an HBCU Band event that has been judged in years.*)I also do not buy the idea of not being able to find unbiased judges. (I believe you can find unbiased judges but I guarantee you the "losing" band's staff and fans will not think they were unbiased.) HBCU band as much sport as it is performance. If winning didn't exist, this program achievement would not exist. (And how often is this award given out to HBCU bands and how many HBCU band fans even know (or care) what this award is?)
* In the many years of the Honda Battle of the Bands, they have only selected a "winner" once and that was by text vote and we won that time. I spoke to a Honda BOB representative following that event and he said that several band directors (Southern University) said they would not attend future Honda BOB if they continued this practice.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 7, 2019 12:45:22 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree with whoever decided not to declare a winner. There is ALWAYS a winner, even if it is unofficial. ( And "unofficially" the Blue & Gold Marching Machine won) Otherwise it would not be a brawl. (The definition of "brawl" is a rough or noisy fight or quarrel...not a competition that names a winner or loser) This whole mentality of not judging or declaring a winner is ludicris. (Like it or not, it is what it is. I think high school bands participate in "competitions" that are "judged" but I've not heard of an HBCU Band event that has been judged in years.*)I also do not buy the idea of not being able to find unbiased judges. (I believe you can find unbiased judges but I guarantee you the "losing" band's staff and fans will not think they were unbiased.) HBCU band as much sport as it is performance. If winning didn't exist, this program achievement would not exist. (And how often is this award given out to HBCU bands and how many HBCU band fans even know (or care) what this award is?) * In the many years of the Honda Battle of the Bands, they have only selected a "winner" once and that was by text vote and we won that time. I spoke to a Honda BOB representative following that event and he said that several band directors (Southern University) said they would not attend future Honda BOB if they continued this practice. - Band directors that don't want to complete "officially" are cowards (see Southern). They talk a lot of smack but don't want take it to the field. I don't understand that at all when your band is a good as Southern's. There are network TV shows with millions of dollars on the line that use fan votes to determine the winner. - I think they judged a BOTB is Charlotte one year and A&T won that also. - Band directors know about the Studler. It's presented by the John Philip Sousa Foundation. FAMU won it in 1985. It is now presented every two years. West Chester State won it last year. You sumbit at 20 minute video that includes: a halftime show, pre-game and post-game traditions, band history, and a selection committee recommendation. - As as the band director's view of the judges, that's no different that any other ejudiated sport such as gymnastics, diving or even high school competitions or drum corps. If they can't handle that, they should get out of the game. - Marching band fans enjoy the competition aspect. It would create more anticipation and excitement and increased attendance,IMHO. Not to mention the shat talking that would ensue.
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Post by Aggie One on Oct 7, 2019 17:22:02 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree with whoever decided not to declare a winner. There is ALWAYS a winner, even if it is unofficial. ( And "unofficially" the Blue & Gold Marching Machine won) Otherwise it would not be a brawl. (The definition of "brawl" is a rough or noisy fight or quarrel...not a competition that names a winner or loser) This whole mentality of not judging or declaring a winner is ludicris. (Like it or not, it is what it is. I think high school bands participate in "competitions" that are "judged" but I've not heard of an HBCU Band event that has been judged in years.*)I also do not buy the idea of not being able to find unbiased judges. (I believe you can find unbiased judges but I guarantee you the "losing" band's staff and fans will not think they were unbiased.) HBCU band as much sport as it is performance. If winning didn't exist, this program achievement would not exist. (And how often is this award given out to HBCU bands and how many HBCU band fans even know (or care) what this award is?) * In the many years of the Honda Battle of the Bands, they have only selected a "winner" once and that was by text vote and we won that time. I spoke to a Honda BOB representative following that event and he said that several band directors (Southern University) said they would not attend future Honda BOB if they continued this practice. - Band directors that don't want to complete "officially" are cowards (see Southern). They talk a lot of smack but don't want take it to the field. I don't understand that at all when your band is a good as Southern's. There are network TV shows with millions of dollars on the line that use fan votes to determine the winner. - I think they judged a BOTB is Charlotte one year and A&T won that also. - Band directors know about the Studler. It's presented by the John Philip Sousa Foundation. FAMU won it in 1985. It is now presented every two years. West Chester State won it last year. You sumbit at 20 minute video that includes: a halftime show, pre-game and post-game traditions, band history, and a selection committee recommendation. - As as the band director's view of the judges, that's no different that any other ejudiated sport such as gymnastics, diving or even high school competitions or drum corps. If they can't handle that, they should get out of the game. - Marching band fans enjoy the competition aspect. It would create more anticipation and excitement and increased attendance,IMHO. Not to mention the shat talking that would ensue. I agree with y'all. No right minded individual merely competes for a participation trophy.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 7, 2019 18:37:16 GMT -5
How many people really want to "volunteer" to have complete strangers judge their work? Im betting no HBCU band director is lining up for that. And what's in it for them?
Band Directors are paid to entertain their fans and alumni. And they can do that without a competition.
I'm not saying competition is bad or unimportant but I'm betting that few people would sign up at their day job to let a third party rate your work...for no incentive.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 8, 2019 13:52:31 GMT -5
For my band heads, what matters most? Who won to the trained eyes/ears or who won to the untrained eye/ears like myself and 90% of the people watching?
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Post by aggie75 on Oct 8, 2019 14:53:53 GMT -5
Looked to me like A&T won a close battle with Golden Delight making the difference.
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