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Post by trues on Aug 18, 2019 21:29:30 GMT -5
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Post by trues on Aug 18, 2019 21:36:16 GMT -5
I dont see budget wise how we can afford to compete with FBS schools
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 18, 2019 21:52:52 GMT -5
me neither. unless someone shows me a newly found "abundance" of funds and resources, i'm not in favor of going fbs. don't take long for the word to get out that the chancellor is considering it...
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Post by saabman on Aug 19, 2019 0:59:20 GMT -5
me neither. unless someone shows me a newly found "abundance" of funds and resources, i'm not in favor of going fbs. don't take long for the word to get out that the chancellor is considering it... We just gave them locker room material to hype up their team . You know that right . That gives them more reason to try to beat the bat S_--_-it out of use if they can . That was bad timing on the Chancellor's part if you ask me .
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Post by outsidethinker on Aug 19, 2019 7:27:27 GMT -5
You're comparing individuals to a whole school's sports team Maxell. That's not a fair comparison. What if we'd gone through with an attempt and then had to drop the football team before Tarik or Bam had graduated high school. That means Tarik might've ended up in the Navy and Bam would be on Monday Night Football claiming Savannah State, not to mention countless others who wouldn't have an opportunity because we jumped with no legs. At our current pace the storyline of the "small" hbcu that continues to put guys in the draft in the modern era is more appealing to me. Remember that "we can be the new Grambing" thread I started eons ago. We're getting there on our current trajectory. A failed move to fbs land and we could go back to being the new Prairie View, which is what we were not that long ago. I have not forgotten. One misstep is all it takes. If we can't endow it so that it pays for itself and is competitive yearly, I see no point in even dreaming about it. As far as your what if scenarios, we're not talking about before Tarik and Bam, we're talking about now. That means we have success of every player we've sent to the league to build on rather than conjecture about. It IS a fair comparison because I'm talking about a mindset. Both individuals and sports teams have a mindset that either propels them forward or keeps them stagnant. I completely understand your points, but a vision can still exist that is bigger than the one you described. I can easily see a progression that goes: MEAC Championship(s) > Celebration Bowl Championship(s) > FCS Championship(s) > FBS Membership, of which we are already half-way through. Remember ten years ago an MEAC Conference Championship was stretch, and a bowl game on national TV didn't even exist. The difference is our end states are different. Nothing wrong with that at all. Grambling has already been Grambling. No need to artificially replicate that and make that our end state. Visionaries are special people because they are usually the only ones that can see what they see. More power to them. Yes yes and yes! #cosign "Shoot for the moon, even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars" We still have to increase funding, improve facilities and remain a consistent FCS powerhouse regardless to make it to the next step. The goals still align. The only difference in thought process I'm seeing is one side trying to speak goals into existence energizing the optimist while the other pessimist prefer the "we'll cross that bridge if we get to it approach". One mindset will keep us in a near bottom feeder conference that has attendance bragging rights for the last two decades as the other mindset can carry us out of this mental prison of complacency.
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Post by Maxell on Aug 19, 2019 7:31:41 GMT -5
me neither. unless someone shows me a newly found "abundance" of funds and resources, i'm not in favor of going fbs. don't take long for the word to get out that the chancellor is considering it... We just gave them locker room material to hype up their team . You know that right . That gives them more reason to try to beat the bat S_--_-it out of use if they can . That was bad timing on the Chancellor's part if you ask me . I think it hypes up our guys more.
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Aug 19, 2019 8:16:07 GMT -5
Go for it. Too many nay sayers speaking as usual. Too many people doubting Martin and Hilton. Too many people supposedly know our budget situation. Too many people living in the gloom ages.
Chancellor Martin knows something that all of us don't. Let him make the decision along with others.
Most people hated us deciding to play in the Celebration Bowl. Same negative comments being spoken now.
Let the powers to be handle this because they have the inside info and we don't. I trust the Chancellor to make the right decision.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 19, 2019 8:52:02 GMT -5
i honestly can't believe anybody who has followed college football for a reasonable amount of time would even "consider" a&t moving up to the fbs level. folks, trust me! we DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES. and will not have the resources anytime soon.
man, we're still struggling just to keep aggie stadium grass green. our facilities are way behind fbs schools. and what's the use of competing at the fbs level knowing full dayum well we will "NEVER" advance beyond the lower fbs level? given our resources, trying to compete against "bcs" dollars is absolutely and utterly "insane"!
i really don't think folk who favor a&t moving to fbs have given thought to the "glass ceiling" that exists at the fbs level called "bcs". show me "any" school that has resources similar to ours that have excelled at the fbs level and ranks as highly as the top bcs schools?
and don't get me wrong, i've always and still do strongly favor a&t remaining at the d1/fcs level rather than dropping down to d2. but going fbs is totalling different, i "strongly" oppose going fbs...
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Aug 19, 2019 8:52:23 GMT -5
I think it would take a budget of at least 35 to 40 million to even begin the discussion. JMHO...
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 19, 2019 9:12:22 GMT -5
www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/5/4/11429522/florida-am-football-history-billy-joe-jake-gaitherExcellent read. And don't give me that "it wouldn't happen here" mess either. When the only support is "we have to dream big" and attaching the names of the current AD and the current Chancellor to it in order to even pretend it would be successful, it wouldn't be successful and would send us barreling back into the dark days under that coach and AD that won't be named on this site. I can't help but wonder how many that would support this move also supported hiring that coach that shall not be named thinking his I-A experience would lead to us being superstars. Dreams are nice but they don't feed the family. Feed the family and completely build the infrastructure before you even fix your lips to mention a dream. Otherwise don't waste folks' time.
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 19, 2019 9:27:56 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the vision. The streets and byways are probably littered with visionaries without a plan or funding. Again talk is cheap! Show me the plan!!! North Carolina Agriculture and Technical State University isn't Dr. Harold Martin and Earl Hilton University, yes they are in leadership positions, but that doesn't mean leadership can't or shouldn't be challenged. This University means as much to me as it does to them. Again all is this is based on a discussion in a meeting with faculty, we don't know the context of the discussion (at least I don't). Was there a formal presentation or informal question in passing?
Question from Professor B.T.(BigTime) Football as passing in the hallway: "Hey Harold, what do you think about A&T playing FBS football." Chancellor Martin: "We have in the past, and we do so in the future."
HBCUBigDay.com headline: A&T Joining FBS Ranks source: anonymous
Again this a nothing burger until Dr. Martin makes a public comment or when I see a Jeff Mills or Ed Hardin byline with quotes from Chancellor Martin or Earl Hilton. HBCU Gameday and an anonymous staff member, give me a freaking break!
HBCUBigDay.com, if you are listening get the minutes of the meeting.
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Post by numberonebrave on Aug 19, 2019 10:48:40 GMT -5
What football infrastructure improvements have taken place in the last 4 years of unprecedented success? Has athletic giving increased? TV contacts?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 11:28:22 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the vision. The streets and byways are probably littered with visionaries without a plan or funding. Again talk is cheap! Show me the plan!!! North Carolina Agriculture and Technical State University isn't Dr. Harold Martin and Earl Hilton University, yes they are in leadership positions, but that doesn't mean leadership can't or shouldn't be challenged. This University means as much to me as it does to them. Again all is this is based on a discussion in a meeting with faculty, we don't know the context of the discussion (at least I don't). Was there a formal presentation or informal question in passing? Question from Professor B.T.(BigTime) Football as passing in the hallway: "Hey Harold, what do you think about A&T playing FBS football." Chancellor Martin: "We have in the past, and we do so in the future." HBCUBigDay.com headline: A&T Joining FBS Ranks source: anonymousAgain this a nothing burger until Dr. Martin makes a public comment or when I see a Jeff Mills or Ed Hardin byline with quotes from Chancellor Martin or Earl Hilton. HBCU Gameday and an anonymous staff member, give me a freaking break! HBCUBigDay.com, if you are listening get the minutes of the meeting.To be fair, It was said during the faculty event we have every year. The Chancellor brought it up, which let to cheers from the crowd and had a supporting powerpoint slide that I shared in the other thread on this topic. I would expect an N&R article on this topic coming very soon, which will also detail the goals of the updated Preeminence 2023 master plan. It was essentially said publicly by Harold with Earl in the vicinity. We can always bring it up during the next AAF meeting too or during Coach Washington's first Monday lunchtime press conference.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 19, 2019 11:41:24 GMT -5
I think it would take a budget of at least 35 to 40 million to even begin the discussion. JMHO... Mic drop. I dont even understand what else there is to discuss about this topic now.
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 19, 2019 11:50:42 GMT -5
I think it would take a budget of at least 35 to 40 million to even begin the discussion. JMHO... Mic drop. I dont even understand what else there is to discuss about this topic now. That statement is fundamentally and factually inaccurate. sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/financesLet’s look at facts vs opinions. $25M is all that’s needed...by comparison NDSU budget is $28M and JMU is $40M. La Tech budget was $25M and they are a good FBS team.
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