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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 13, 2019 20:58:03 GMT -5
I have friends that make a lottttt of money and attend GHOE and never step foot in the game. My friends and I graduated in 2003, before the gamezone was implemented we would hangout at the stadium tailgates and donate/ purchase nothing. Now I actually buy a ticket and hit the game...if it wasn’t for the game zone I would still be hanging out at the stadium without buying a ticket. The gamezone needs to stay.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 13, 2019 22:47:05 GMT -5
again, there is no "proof" that the game zone in and of itself is generating more money. trust me, if our team still "sucked", folk would not be buying season tickets with or without a game zone. ain't got nothing to do with the game zone, the game zone don't sell no tickets. winning football sells tickets, not no fence. scsu has a game zone, but their attendance has "dropped" significantly because of losing football teams. if the game zone was what you say it is, scsu attendance would not have ever "dropped". now that buddy has them heading in the right direction, watch scsu attendance "increase" again but not because of a fence... This is simple. If we had 20,000 folks in the seats every game, there would no need for this conversation or a game zone. But as long as people will spend $200 on food and liquor and won't spend $30 for a game ticket, the game zone is the best way to offset that mindset. And it is a mindset. My other ideas regarding ways to make admission more affordable for kids and others who may not get an opportunity to see a game will work. But the game zone should stay. i agree that the game zone ain't going nowhere, but i don't know "anybody" who pays $200 on food that are unwilling to pay for a $30 ticket "if" they want to watch aggie football. i do not believe that you can paint the masses with the same brush. until i see a "market study" in that regard, i see that picture as nothing more than someone's opinion. i'm still waiting for "proof" that the game zone has increased revenue. raising ticket prices may increase revenue, but the game zone doesn't. "winning football" increases revenue, but fencing folks out doesn't...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 13, 2019 22:51:21 GMT -5
I have friends that make a lottttt of money and attend GHOE and never step foot in the game. My friends and I graduated in 2003, before the gamezone was implemented we would hangout at the stadium tailgates and donate/ purchase nothing. Now I actually buy a ticket and hit the game...if it wasn’t for the game zone I would still be hanging out at the stadium without buying a ticket. The gamezone needs to stay. that doesn't mean others do that just because you did. again, check our attendance figures since the game zone was implemented. mind you, our football team has been "dominant" since that time. yet, our attendance has not "increased" since the game zone was implemented. in fact, we've had years where our attendance was "substantially" more than it is now before the game zone was implemented. so i wouldn't consider your experience "typical" because if it was, we would be seeing a substantial increase in attendance...
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 13, 2019 23:42:02 GMT -5
I have friends that make a lottttt of money and attend GHOE and never step foot in the game. My friends and I graduated in 2003, before the gamezone was implemented we would hangout at the stadium tailgates and donate/ purchase nothing. Now I actually buy a ticket and hit the game...if it wasn’t for the game zone I would still be hanging out at the stadium without buying a ticket. The gamezone needs to stay. that doesn't mean others do that just because you did. again, check our attendance figures since the game zone was implemented. mind you, our football team has been "dominant" since that time. yet, our attendance has not "increased" since the game zone was implemented. in fact, we've had years where our attendance was "substantially" more than it is now before the game zone was implemented. so i wouldn't consider your experience "typical" because if it was, we would be seeing a substantial increase in attendance... True, when tickets were dirt cheap. We probably have the most expensive general admission tickets in the meac. Our season tickets are $20 more than FAMU. Common guys we probably have the most expensive general admission tickets in BCF.
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Post by The Professor on Jul 14, 2019 0:56:18 GMT -5
This is simple. If we had 20,000 folks in the seats every game, there would no need for this conversation or a game zone. But as long as people will spend $200 on food and liquor and won't spend $30 for a game ticket, the game zone is the best way to offset that mindset. And it is a mindset. My other ideas regarding ways to make admission more affordable for kids and others who may not get an opportunity to see a game will work. But the game zone should stay. i agree that the game zone ain't going nowhere, but i don't know "anybody" who pays $200 on food that are unwilling to pay for a $30 ticket "if" they want to watch aggie football. i do not believe that you can paint the masses with the same brush. until i see a "market study" in that regard, i see that picture as nothing more than someone's opinion. i'm still waiting for "proof" that the game zone has increased revenue. raising ticket prices may increase revenue, but the game zone doesn't. "winning football" increases revenue, but fencing folks out doesn't... Then you don't know A&T alums. Espically those who graduated after 2003
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Post by The Professor on Jul 14, 2019 0:58:58 GMT -5
It's hilarious to me that this gamezone hatred is still a conversation.
If attendence is the same.
And alumni giving is the same.
Where do yall assume the money is coming from which is being poured into Athletics , especially the Olympic sports.
And when we finish in the top 15 again on attendance , some still won't be satisfied
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Post by DECKS on Jul 14, 2019 8:07:05 GMT -5
I have friends that make a lottttt of money and attend GHOE and never step foot in the game. My friends and I graduated in 2003, before the gamezone was implemented we would hangout at the stadium tailgates and donate/ purchase nothing. Now I actually buy a ticket and hit the game...if it wasn’t for the game zone I would still be hanging out at the stadium without buying a ticket. The gamezone needs to stay. Thank you for being candid. I have a couple of friends who were doing the same thing. Since the game zone they eventually became season ticket holders.
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Post by aggieswag on Jul 14, 2019 14:05:48 GMT -5
For the love of God can anyone show proof that this game zone has helped in revenue and attendance. No one can show proof we do not need a study everybody has eyes. Just look at the empty stadium right across from you, and the lack luster tailgate zone and you get your answer. we all know what it look like before the game zone and we all know what it looks like now everybody needs to stop pretending. The game zone has been a complete up and utter disaster for Aggie football. Marketing nightmare, logistical nightmare and it halted growth for a whole decade.
The ONLY purpose it serves is to make our self absorbed alumni to feel special and important. Which evidently by the posts I'm reading is clearly very important. Which is why I offer the compromise. Create a space where you guys can feel important and privileged as you need to feel, and let the rest of the stadium be about building football culture.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jul 14, 2019 14:55:16 GMT -5
I've asked about these football game experience items/ideas: - Words on the board to Lift Every Voice and Sing when the band plays it, and ask the crowd to sing it. I like this video (https://youtu.be/MyS3HPInHtI) though it's probably too long and some of the images might be a bit too much for some. Of course, any video would need to be flawless in execution (started at the right time, no buffering, etc.) and the band would need to ensure it's tempo is in lockstep so it doesn't get ahead or behind the words in the video. - "Another A&T 1st Down!" - AFTER the first 1st down - Crowd participation in Another A&T 1st Down - Use "A&T" as opposed to "Aggie" before the crowd says "First Down" - DJ during the game to play music between plays, etc. Would have to work with the band and announcer on when to play. Old school music mixed with current popular music. - Competitive/Entertainment activities - Especially during TV timeouts and, maybe, between quarters - Band at the end of the field - Would allow more people to be able to hear them better. I believe I understand that they want to face the opposing band but I think more people being able to hear them would be better for our crowd - Remind the crowd to make noise when the visiting team has the ball and to be quiet when we have the ball, so our team can hear each other. Also show it on the board. May need to do it multiple times during games. Beginning of each quarter and, as needed, multiple times during the 4th qtr. Maybe call it something like "Our House Housekeeping Announcements" or something else that's better. - Primary camera on visitor side of field showing the home side - Try to figure out a rah-rah/signature enthusiasm song to play at certain times (beginning of 4th qtr, before very important plays, etc.) - We Ready by Archie Eversole (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ElFDlShmOng) comes to mind as one that could be used sometimes. Of course, the band still has and can play theirs at certain points too. - Aggie in the Blood - m.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9stK46zl0
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Post by aggierattler on Jul 14, 2019 15:12:37 GMT -5
For the love of God can anyone show proof that this game zone has helped in revenue and attendance. No one can show proof we do not need a study everybody has eyes. Just look at the empty stadium right across from you, and the lack luster tailgate zone and you get your answer. we all know what it look like before the game zone and we all know what it looks like now everybody needs to stop pretending. The game zone has been a complete up and utter disaster for Aggie football. Marketing nightmare, logistical nightmare and it halted growth for a whole decade. The ONLY purpose it serves is to make our self absorbed alumni to feel special and important. Which evidently by the posts I'm reading is clearly very important. Which is why I offer the compromise. Create a space where you guys can feel important and privileged as you need to feel, and let the rest of the stadium be about building football culture. And your solution is "to just let 'em in and enjoy the show," huh?
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Post by aggieswag on Jul 14, 2019 16:05:29 GMT -5
For the love of God can anyone show proof that this game zone has helped in revenue and attendance. No one can show proof we do not need a study everybody has eyes. Just look at the empty stadium right across from you, and the lack luster tailgate zone and you get your answer. we all know what it look like before the game zone and we all know what it looks like now everybody needs to stop pretending. The game zone has been a complete up and utter disaster for Aggie football. Marketing nightmare, logistical nightmare and it halted growth for a whole decade. The ONLY purpose it serves is to make our self absorbed alumni to feel special and important. Which evidently by the posts I'm reading is clearly very important. Which is why I offer the compromise. Create a space where you guys can feel important and privileged as you need to feel, and let the rest of the stadium be about building football culture. And your solution is "to just let 'em in and enjoy the show," huh?
Yes sir . Just like every single School across the the US. with the exception of South Carolina state who was about to go bankrupt so they're not a good example..if you were doing something different and it worked I would not say a word.. but doing something different and being the worst.. that it is not good.
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Post by The Professor on Jul 14, 2019 17:07:13 GMT -5
And your solution is "to just let 'em in and enjoy the show," huh?
Yes sir . Just like every single School across the the US. with the exception of South Carolina state who was about to go bankrupt so they're not a good example..if you were doing something different and it worked I would not say a word.. but doing something different and being the worst.. that it is not good. Except for those schools have better alumni giving. But ok
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Post by aggierattler on Jul 14, 2019 17:07:47 GMT -5
And your solution is "to just let 'em in and enjoy the show," huh?
Yes sir . Just like every single School across the the US. with the exception of South Carolina state who was about to go bankrupt so they're not a good example..if you were doing something different and it worked I would not say a word.. but doing something different and being the worst.. that it is not good. smhThat's the FAMU Model. You'd have us back in Division II in no time.
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Post by The Professor on Jul 14, 2019 17:08:54 GMT -5
If we are having such an attendance problem , why are we in the top 15 of all FCS schools? It's over 125 FCS schools
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Post by DECKS on Jul 14, 2019 21:38:22 GMT -5
Some of you guys really need to stop and dig through some of the old threads and articles. Pretty much all of your questions would be answered. Here's an excerpt from an interview BT did with Hilton back in 2013. Another big decision that you made early on in your tenure as AD, was the implementation of the Game zone. That decision was met with a lot of controversy and media attention. How would you assess the overall impact of the Game Zone over the last couple of years and is it too early to determine if it’s been a success or not?[/i] Earl Hilton: “From my perspective it’s been a success. The baseline that I’m using is Homecoming ticket sales, year over year, and those are up the last two years over the previous year. Also, the feedback that I’m getting from fans that are in the game is that it creates a very inviting, comfortable game experience. Obviously, the ones who aren’t inside (the Game Zone) are not having that experience and there is some frustration from them because they can’t get in. I think it’s important to know that when we implemented the Game Zone we also created the Community Outreach Ticket Program which allows for elementary and middle school students to come to the games for free. They can come through a community organization like the Boys and Girls Club or junior high school or a church group – just as long as they are not recruiting age, eighth grade and below. They get free tickets and we provide tickets to their chaperones and they can all come to the games. This is our third year of doing that and so far we’ve given away almost 3,000 tickets. So we’ve made the games a little more exclusive with the Game Zone but we’ve also created a way for individuals who might be excluded otherwise to come and have that experience. We want to continue to engage the community and invite them to attend all of our games.”bluedeathvalley.com/the-man-with-the-plan-exclusive-interview-with-earl-hilton/
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