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Post by Aggie Monster on Jun 6, 2019 6:31:41 GMT -5
That pole is completely biased. It's basically saying that each of our last three year finishes have been flukes. Or, it could be saying that without Raynard we are no longer a threat to break the top 10. hmmmm
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 8:27:14 GMT -5
That pole is completely biased. It's basically saying that each of our last three year finishes have been flukes. Or, it could be saying that without Raynard we are no longer a threat to break the top 10. hmmmm It also points to the fact that these outlets just do not respect and even take the time to learn about teams in the MEAC. I guarantee if we were in the Big South with our performances, we'd be ranked.
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Post by Maxell on Jun 6, 2019 9:49:59 GMT -5
What the ranking says is they do not see A&T football as a program. They are rating us on being an individual team in an individual year. It also says they have bought in to our head coach either. They put a lot of weight on last years losses even outweighing the wins over JSU and ECU.
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Post by saabman on Jun 6, 2019 10:52:13 GMT -5
That pole is completely biased. It's basically saying that each of our last three year finishes have been flukes. Or, it could be saying that without Raynard we are no longer a threat to break the top 10. hmmmm The polls have always been biased when it comes to HBCU D-1 programs that's nothing that we didn't already know . I do not see the graduation of Raynard having any effect on there selection votes . It's more NCAA FCS playoff biased if anything and then you factor in the traditional FCS power conferences and teams and there you have it . What the MEAC / A&T needs to do is just WIN Out of CONFERENCE and Dominate the MEAC games . You can not complain about your rankings when you lose in CONFERENCE games to a below average Morgan State team and a Average FAMU (regardless of the score) after beating a ranked Jacksonville State and East Carolina . Because at the end of the day it's not where you started the season , it's yourover all body of work for the whole season . The rankings that everyone including future recruits pay the most attention to are the rankings at the end if the season . Win the games on your schedule and the rest will take care of itself .
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Post by trues on Jun 6, 2019 12:53:23 GMT -5
personally, i don't place a lot of "emotional value" in the rankings. it is what it is, as far as i'm concerned. all i know is that this year's squad has some big shoes to fill and it ain't gone be easy. we can't sneak up on "nobody" this season, including duke. so i'm not too worried about the polls. i'm more concerned about the product we'll place on the field this season, we've got a lot of holes to fill. if we take care of elon, "at a minimum" play "respectable" ball against duke, and do what we're supposed to do with the rest of our schedule, then the polls will take care of itself... I personally don't disagree with the the ranking. The write up tend to insinuate we practically have a new team out there. I dont think you should be ranked on what you have done in the past when you lose more then 60% of your starters on the team. This team has nothing to do with last year or year before last accolades.
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Post by DOOMS on Jun 6, 2019 13:41:40 GMT -5
IMO if anything it shows the national respect we've garnered.
You think any other hbcu would be ranked at all if they lost 14 starters including a record-setting qb, rb, and a d-lineman who singlehandedly made plays in two close games that turned out to be game winning plays. A team that lost to Morgan and FAMU at home, and gave up 300 yards rushing in their last game? Not to mention a new coach in only his second year looking to prove his first year wasn't a fluke . Heck, most pwcs would be very lowly ranked if at all looking at those facts.
I believe we're solidly established at this point and we will rise substantially in the rankings provided we beat Elon. We won't drop far at all if we lose to Duke, but if we lose a conference game all bets are off.
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Post by aggies704 on Jun 6, 2019 14:06:17 GMT -5
Why are we in 2019 so afraid to say this is America and if you are Black you have to be better to be equal Perfect example Tarki and McCarthy to me equal talents but one went as the 8th pick in the draft and the other in the 4th round Just my opinion
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Post by trues on Jun 6, 2019 14:15:05 GMT -5
IMO if anything it shows the national respect we've garnered. You think any other hbcu would be ranked at all if they lost 14 starters including a record-setting qb, rb, and a d-lineman who singlehandedly made plays in two close games that turned out to be game winning plays. A team that lost to Morgan and FAMU at home, and gave up 300 yards rushing in their last game? Not to mention a new coach in only his second year looking to prove his first year wasn't a fluke . Heck, most pwcs would be very lowly ranked if at all looking at those facts. I believe we're solidly established at this point and we will rise substantially in the rankings provided we beat Elon. We won't drop far at all if we lose to Duke, but if we lose a conference game all bets are off. Funny you carefully said HBCU as a disclaimer.(which I agree) You know NDS lost more starters than us yet they are still ranked #1 in the country. So I am not saying the ranking is fare across the board. What I am saying given what we have coming back and to prove I am ok with being #25
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jun 6, 2019 14:18:53 GMT -5
Why are we in 2019 so afraid to say this is America and if you are Black you have to be better to be equal Perfect example Tarki and McCarthy to me equal talents but one went as the 8th pick in the draft and the other in the 4th round Just my opinion I was with you until you made the Tarik/Christian McCaffrey comparison. As a Panthers fan.... CMC is a different back at 210 lbs. And his usage rate is insane... like 95% of the offensive snaps. Chicago can't afford to use Tarik consistently like that. But in terms of speed/skill (outside of the 20 lbs)... they're pretty much the same.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jun 6, 2019 14:36:26 GMT -5
IMO if anything it shows the national respect we've garnered. You think any other hbcu would be ranked at all if they lost 14 starters including a record-setting qb, rb, and a d-lineman who singlehandedly made plays in two close games that turned out to be game winning plays. A team that lost to Morgan and FAMU at home, and gave up 300 yards rushing in their last game? Not to mention a new coach in only his second year looking to prove his first year wasn't a fluke . Heck, most pwcs would be very lowly ranked if at all looking at those facts. I believe we're solidly established at this point and we will rise substantially in the rankings provided we beat Elon. We won't drop far at all if we lose to Duke, but if we lose a conference game all bets are off. Funny you carefully said HBCU as a disclaimer.(which I agree) You know NDS lost more starters than us yet they are still ranked #1 in the country. So I am not saying the ranking is fare across the board. What I am saying given what we have coming back and to prove I am ok with being #25 The difference is that NDSU has won 7 of 8 national championships since 2011. That's dominating the entire FCS landscape across two recruiting cycles. We've been championship-caliber from 2014-2018 in the MEAC/SWAC realm for one recruiting cycle. And that greatest class in A&T history just graduated. This year really is more of a "prove-it" year from a FCS program standpoint, especially since we don't play in a power conference and we aren't getting an AQ in the playoffs. Just win, baby.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 6, 2019 14:54:46 GMT -5
i almost like that we're lowly ranked because it should give our guys a lot of "motivation" this summer going into training camp. whereas if we were highly ranked, there's a "human nature" tendency to rest on your laurels and simply "take for granted" that you're really that good. "to me", being "highly ranked" coming off of the jsu and ecu wins last year is why we "stunk it up" so badly early in our meac schedule. to me, we didn't really start playing in the conference the way we should until the last 3 or 4 meac games when our backs were against the wall. so being lowly ranked might be a "blessing in disguise". nothing motivates an athlete more than being "disrespected". if i'm coach washington, i'm playing the "disrespect card" throughout training camp. i'd tell my guys that these folks (the polls) don't think you guys can play at a high level like we have the last 4 years or so. they don't think you can perform at the same level or higher than the guys who graduated. they think you're a bunch of "punks" and that we'll have a major drop off because they don't think ya'll can keep our program at the same level as the guys who aren't here anymore. we're gonna have to "prove ourselves" on the daggone football field!! let's go out there and kick some elon azz!! then let's see what they (the polls) got to say... the polls just made coach washington's job a little bit easier...
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Post by aggies704 on Jun 6, 2019 17:37:06 GMT -5
Why are we in 2019 so afraid to say this is America and if you are Black you have to be better to be equal Perfect example Tarki and McCarthy to me equal talents but one went as the 8th pick in the draft and the other in the 4th round Just my opinion I was with you until you made the Tarik/Christian McCaffrey comparison. As a Panthers fan.... CMC is a different back at 210 lbs. And his usage rate is insane... like 95% of the offensive snaps. Chicago can't afford to use Tarik consistently like that. But in terms of speed/skill (outside of the 20 lbs)... they're pretty much the same. That's because you are a Panthers I am not and I will take Tarki all day long over McCarthy plus the Bears made the playoffs and your Panthers didn't. No disrespect to McCarthy like I said my opinion But for conversation let's say Tarki got the usage rate that McCarthy got what kinda numbers would he have plus if they keep his rate up that high he want be in the NFL very long just ask your little girl dress wearing QB that's on his way out But this is about AGGIE Football the I love not the Panthers that I don't care about Sorry to get off what the post is about but I will always take Tarki over McCarthy 210 or not. AGGIE PRIDE PS McCarthy can't take a hit just watch his face
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 18:15:22 GMT -5
Why are we in 2019 so afraid to say this is America and if you are Black you have to be better to be equal Perfect example Tarki and McCarthy to me equal talents but one went as the 8th pick in the draft and the other in the 4th round Just my opinion I was with you until you made the Tarik/Christian McCaffrey comparison. As a Panthers fan.... CMC is a different back at 210 lbs. And his usage rate is insane... like 95% of the offensive snaps. Chicago can't afford to use Tarik consistently like that. But in terms of speed/skill (outside of the 20 lbs)... they're pretty much the same. Not to get off track here, but it looks like Tarik's usage is about to go up, although Chicago did draft Montgomery out of Iowa State.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 18:17:43 GMT -5
i almost like that we're lowly ranked because it should give our guys a lot of "motivation" this summer going into training camp. whereas if we were highly ranked, there's a "human nature" tendency to rest on your laurels and simply "take for granted" that you're really that good. "to me", being "highly ranked" coming off of the jsu and ecu wins last year is why we "stunk it up" so badly early in our meac schedule. to me, we didn't really start playing in the conference the way we should until the last 3 or 4 meac games when our backs were against the wall. so being lowly ranked might be a "blessing in disguise". nothing motivates an athlete more than being "disrespected". if i'm coach washington, i'm playing the "disrespect card" throughout training camp. i'd tell my guys that these folks (the polls) don't think you guys can play at a high level like we have the last 4 years or so. they don't think you can perform at the same level or higher than the guys who graduated. they think you're a bunch of "punks" and that we'll have a major drop off because they don't think ya'll can keep our program at the same level as the guys who aren't here anymore. we're gonna have to "prove ourselves" on the daggone football field!! let's go out there and kick some elon azz!! then let's see what they (the polls) got to say... the polls just made coach washington's job a little bit easier... I agree 100%. These polls tell us all nothing but the fact that our team can't come into the summer half-stepping. They gotta take the summer workouts and pending Fall Camp seriously if they want that respect that other champions get. They are disregarding the Celebration Bowl and MEAC dominance but it's all more reason to prepare to sweep another OOC schedule and earn another FBS scalp.
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Post by The Professor on Jun 6, 2019 20:01:33 GMT -5
Funny you carefully said HBCU as a disclaimer.(which I agree) You know NDS lost more starters than us yet they are still ranked #1 in the country. So I am not saying the ranking is fare across the board. What I am saying given what we have coming back and to prove I am ok with being #25 The difference is that NDSU has won 7 of 8 national championships since 2011. That's dominating the entire FCS landscape across two recruiting cycles. We've been championship-caliber from 2014-2018 in the MEAC/SWAC realm for one recruiting cycle. And that greatest class in A&T history just graduated. This year really is more of a "prove-it" year from a FCS program standpoint, especially since we don't play in a power conference and we aren't getting an AQ in the playoffs. Just win, baby. A great fact based argument.
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