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Post by saabman on Jan 23, 2019 16:38:51 GMT -5
I've never been one to read all of the recruiting websites. Just think about it for a second. Dudes are 16-17-18 years old. Some are taller, shorter, faster, slower, muscular, or fatter than others. But seriously, at such a young age, these dudes ARE FAR FROM BEING FINISHED PRODUCTS. Some come from places where football is an afterthought. Some come from places where the coaching they got in high school may not have been up to snuff. Some may have come from places where weight rooms/weight training programs were suboptimal or lacking altogether. Some get higher profiles because they know "the system." I've just never been fixated on who's a 5-star, 4-star, 3-star or 2-star athlete on whatever recruiting website people go to to gather such information..... On day 1, when you hit the college campus, I want to see a recruit who can learn on the fly. I want to see a recruit know how to block properly or can be taught easily on how to block properly. Can a wide receiver be taught the proper footwork on how to run a proper slant or corner route? Do they have the dedication or desire to be better? Do they study film and take criticism? Do they show up to practice on time? Do they show up to class on time? Are they good teammates and encourage their fellow team members to do better? It may sound corny, but these are things a recruiting website can't tell you. You may hear about things, but until they hit a college campus, prognosticating how a future recruit will do will is a crapshoot to me. We've had some great coaches over this past decade who can identify talent, coach them up during the off-season, prepare them well during game weeks, and prepare them well for a potential spot at the next level. Again, I'm not one to dissect why someone's a 2-star vs a 5-star. I just want to see these dudes mentally and physically prepared to help this team win week in and week out.....as well as represent our school with class. I don't know how the experts judge who has the best recruiting classes.......but the past 10 years have proven one thing - we know what we're doing. Whatever formula we have (which likely isn't the same recruiting formula Alabama, Clemson, UNC, or even ECU have)...I don't recommend changing much of anything. It's clearly working beyond anyone's initial expectations.... Exactly, I'm going to say this and I hope EVERYONE on this board reads it. THIS IS WHERE STARS COME FROM...... You ready! It will blow your mind(well maybe not because its simple). Stars come from offers. That's it. You get more offers, you get more stars. A coach does homework and looks at you or "finds" you and they offer you. "Whoa, your now a 3 star athlete". 8 more FBS schools notice and offer, guess what? You are now a 4 star athlete. Have you ever seen a 4 star recruit with no offers? Nope. Stars come from offers. So if you can beat the bushes(like our staff) does and find talent that no one else has offered its not that you are ignoring star rankings. You are really doing your homework. All 3,4,5 star athletes will have other offers. All the recruiting sites do is count offers. That's it. As you accumulate 5 offers, then 8 offers, then 15 offers, then 20 offers and finally the “RATING EXPERTS” will slap a 3 star rating on you and one or two give you 4 stars!! Meanwhile, it took 8 offers for them to even take notice because the COLLEGES take notice first and then the stars come. So trust that your coaches know more than the other coaches and the websites to be able to find these gems. They find guys that lazy staffs didn't even look at. They don't rely on others to find their kids. Our staff is good, very good. Monster also star rated players mostly come from school teams, parents and coaches that can afford and pay to send there kids to lA level Football camps from middle school to high school . That is where most of you star ranked players are rated . Kids that can not attend camps are play in lower division conferences are over looked repeatedly because of the ( so called ) level of competition rule . It's good that A&T picks it's players based on skill levels and adaptability to their system over stars .
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Post by saabman on Jan 23, 2019 16:48:18 GMT -5
also you've got to consider that its "easier" to sign a kid that no one else is recruiting, so you don't waste your time barking up the wrong tree in that case. whereas when you go after kids who errrrbody is recruiting, you're less likely to sign those kids and the recruiting time you invested in those kids could've been spent elsewhere. so i don't know how they do it, but our coaches always seem to find "hidden talent" that nobody else wants and then we turn them into "all americans". hey, i agree that we should shoot for the "stars", but we get a much better return on our investment when we find "hidden talent"... OSA it is easier to recruit good kids when you recruit for a teams system even if they have stars . Broadway knew that and so did his staff kind of like he used a page from NDSU play book . I hope that coach Washington stays with Broadways play book . If he does the sky is the limit .
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 24, 2019 8:43:29 GMT -5
Monster also star rated players mostly come from school teams, parents and coaches that can afford and pay to send there kids to lA level Football camps from middle school to high school . That is where most of you star ranked players are rated . Kids that can not attend camps are play in lower division conferences are over looked repeatedly because of the ( so called ) level of competition rule . It's good that A&T picks it's players based on skill levels and adaptability to their system over stars . I agree and disagree. I used to think that's how it worded, but thats not totally true. The stars come from offers. The people who put stars next to a kids name may actually be at these camps, but the system they use is "How many offers does the kid have already?". They don't actually evaluate the talent and then give a star rating. What they do is say "OK, this kid already has offers. From who? OK, that many schools makes him at least a 4. Let me put that on my website now.". Thats how it works. Each website has regional people(normally one) that track all the kids getting offers. As the offers go up, the rep in that region changes the star rating. The different regions don't discuss kids. The NC "rep" for Rivals(or whomever) never talks with the SC rep, but most of the time the stars match up because they use the same "offer" formula. They are letting the coaches do the work. FCS coaches have to wait and be strategic on who they offer and at what time because of that. An FCS school cant offer too early or they start bumping up a kids stars and he could move to FBS on them and they were the ones that did all the work.
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 24, 2019 15:18:15 GMT -5
Monster also star rated players mostly come from school teams, parents and coaches that can afford and pay to send there kids to lA level Football camps from middle school to high school . That is where most of you star ranked players are rated . Kids that can not attend camps are play in lower division conferences are over looked repeatedly because of the ( so called ) level of competition rule . It's good that A&T picks it's players based on skill levels and adaptability to their system over stars . I agree and disagree. I used to think that's how it worded, but thats not totally true. The stars come from offers. The people who put stars next to a kids name may actually be at these camps, but the system they use is "How many offers does the kid have already?". They don't actually evaluate the talent and then give a star rating. What they do is say "OK, this kid already has offers. From who? OK, that many schools makes him at least a 4. Let me put that on my website now.". Thats how it works. Each website has regional people(normally one) that track all the kids getting offers. As the offers go up, the rep in that region changes the star rating. The different regions don't discuss kids. The NC "rep" for Rivals(or whomever) never talks with the SC rep, but most of the time the stars match up because they use the same "offer" formula. They are letting the coaches do the work. FCS coaches have to wait and be strategic on who they offer and at what time because of that. An FCS school cant offer too early or they start bumping up a kids stars and he could move to FBS on them and they were the ones that did all the work. Very interesting but, it does make a whole lot of sense. So, extending offers too soon only hurts schools on our level because, it elevates the kid's star rating which could possibly make them visible to the FBS schools and then, you're done. Wow!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 24, 2019 15:25:58 GMT -5
I agree and disagree. I used to think that's how it worded, but thats not totally true. The stars come from offers. The people who put stars next to a kids name may actually be at these camps, but the system they use is "How many offers does the kid have already?". They don't actually evaluate the talent and then give a star rating. What they do is say "OK, this kid already has offers. From who? OK, that many schools makes him at least a 4. Let me put that on my website now.". Thats how it works. Each website has regional people(normally one) that track all the kids getting offers. As the offers go up, the rep in that region changes the star rating. The different regions don't discuss kids. The NC "rep" for Rivals(or whomever) never talks with the SC rep, but most of the time the stars match up because they use the same "offer" formula. They are letting the coaches do the work. FCS coaches have to wait and be strategic on who they offer and at what time because of that. An FCS school cant offer too early or they start bumping up a kids stars and he could move to FBS on them and they were the ones that did all the work. Very interesting but, it does make a whole lot of sense. So, extending offers too soon only hurts schools on our level because, it elevates the kid's star rating which could possibly make them visible to the FBS schools and then, you're done. Wow! Exactly, schools that suck just offer the highest rated star kids that are left over because they are lazy. Schools like us say "now that everyone is done offering, let me beat the buahes and see who was missed. Maybe we can steal a gem from another FCS school last minute or find someone that no FCS school has offered".
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 24, 2019 15:38:34 GMT -5
Very interesting but, it does make a whole lot of sense. So, extending offers too soon only hurts schools on our level because, it elevates the kid's star rating which could possibly make them visible to the FBS schools and then, you're done. Wow! Exactly, schools that suck just offer the highest rated star kids that are left over because they are lazy. Schools like us say "now that everyone is done offering, let me beat the buahes and see who was missed. Maybe we can steal a gem from another FCS school last minute or find someone that no FCS school has offered". dang, monster! lol, your "logic" makes sense but that's what scares me. nah, just kidding. but that would explain how we're able to find so many gems that no one else has offered. so i'm just gonna have to trust you on this because i don't know one way or the other how these recruiting websites come up with their star ratings. i just know that they miss a lot of talented players that have "zero" star ratings who turn out to better players than the one's who do have "stars" beside their names...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 24, 2019 15:43:47 GMT -5
Exactly, schools that suck just offer the highest rated star kids that are left over because they are lazy. Schools like us say "now that everyone is done offering, let me beat the buahes and see who was missed. Maybe we can steal a gem from another FCS school last minute or find someone that no FCS school has offered". dang, monster! lol, your "logic" makes sense but that's what scares me. nah, just kidding. but that would explain how we're able to find so many gems that no one else has offered. so i'm just gonna have to trust you on this because i don't know one way or the other how these recruiting websites come up with their star ratings. i just know that they miss a lot of talented players that have "zero" star ratings who turn out to better players than the one's who do have "stars" beside their names... When I worked in the high school athletics "reporting" side of things thats how it worked. Those guys didn't do any work. They just kept in contact with the high school coaches to see who was offered and even followed all the kids on twitter to see who was offered. Then just raised their stars if the kids started to get a lot of offers. Then raised it again if they started getting multiple offers from FBS schools. The 5 star ratings were saved for kids that got multiple offers from the elite schools. Thats how a kid can be 2 stars and then all of a sudden become a 4 star. The kid didn't all of a sudden get better or show better at some camp. He got multiple offers over the summer. A kid could literally raise his own stars by declaring fake offers on twitter. It's actually been done, but people eventually check and the kid gets labelled as "low integrity" and it actually hurts him after that, so its not done often.
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Post by AggieGroove on Jan 24, 2019 16:25:15 GMT -5
dang, monster! lol, your "logic" makes sense but that's what scares me. nah, just kidding. but that would explain how we're able to find so many gems that no one else has offered. so i'm just gonna have to trust you on this because i don't know one way or the other how these recruiting websites come up with their star ratings. i just know that they miss a lot of talented players that have "zero" star ratings who turn out to better players than the one's who do have "stars" beside their names... When I worked in the high school athletics "reporting" side of things thats how it worked. Those guys didn't do any work. They just kept in contact with the high school coaches to see who was offered and even followed all the kids on twitter to see who was offered. Then just raised their stars if the kids started to get a lot of offers. Then raised it again if they started getting multiple offers from FBS schools. The 5 star ratings were saved for kids that got multiple offers from the elite schools. Thats how a kid can be 2 stars and then all of a sudden become a 4 star. The kid didn't all of a sudden get better or show better at some camp. He got multiple offers over the summer. A kid could literally raise his own stars by declaring fake offers on twitter. It's actually been done, but people eventually check and the kid gets labelled as "low integrity" and it actually hurts him after that, so its not done often. AM.....Seems like you are an expert on this matter snd makes a lot of sense......ala Tarik Cohen and Brandon Parker
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Post by popdad on Jan 24, 2019 18:32:50 GMT -5
Monster, everything that you’ve said on the high school star system makes more sense to me than anything I’ve ever heard or thought about on this subject. This is great information that helps in understanding this process, and I appreciate you sharing this knowledge.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 24, 2019 18:50:48 GMT -5
Monster, everything that you’ve said on the high school star system makes more sense to me than anything I’ve ever heard or thought about on this subject. This is great information that helps in understanding this process, and I appreciate you sharing this knowledge. Thanks man. The short version is....They get the stars because of the offers, not the offers because of the stars.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 24, 2019 19:44:51 GMT -5
A broken clock is right at least two times a day ...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 26, 2019 14:12:07 GMT -5
One last thing to prove my point. NC only has 10 players currently ranked for class of 2020(current juniors). Know why? Because only 10 juniors have offers already that the websites know about. The other rankings wont start showing up until after offers are made first. All 10 of those kids are at least 3 stars because an offer from a Power 5 school means at least 3 stars most of the time.
Watch how fast the Stars start coming in on kids after the spring camp season and the kids start getting offers. You will see over 300 kids in NC ranked by the websites after that.
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