Broadway is gone!

[Bornthrilla]

Jan 15, 2018 10:51:53 GMT -5 aggieforlife said:

I must be missing something how and why is Doug Williams on this list?

You must not follow black college football.

[DOOMS]

Wasn’t central state naia the whole time Billy Joe was there?

[saabman]

Yes Central State was NAIA when coach Joe was there !!

[durhamgsoaggie]

Jan 15, 2018 14:49:22 GMT -5 saabman said:

Yes Central State was NAIA when coach Joe was there !!

Saab... which OU QB did Billy Joe get to come to Central St... Charles Thompson or Jamelle Holloway?

[ohsixrain]

I have a friend that went to University of Toledo and he informed me that during that era that the Ohio prison system had a football league and Central State benefited by giving guys a second chance out of prison. Guys that could ball that made poor choices and found themselves locked up. I don't know the qb's name but, they recruited a guy from prison that was supposed to be a 1-A prospect. I say all that to say...Central State had a monstrous run during that time. I assume the NCAA has changed the rules that don't allow that any more and they have come back to the pack.

[aggieblackie]

Jan 15, 2018 5:51:12 GMT -5 Maxell said:

So here's my Top 5 Coaches Ranking in BCF DI and DII ranking since 1980. To be eligible the coach had to win a mythical BCF National Championship by at least one of the ranking bodies between 1980 and 2017. Any coaching records prior to 1980 were not considered. The coaches were ranked on five factors using the following weighting. The coaches were scored only for the time with the Championship school. Records with other schools were not considered.

National Championships - 40%
Conference Championships - 25%
Winning Seasons - 20%
Winning Percentage - 10%
Record Turnaround by Year Two - 5%

So here goes:

Top 5 BCF Coaches Div FCS:
1. Pete Richardson-Southern 5.55
2. Rod Broadway-Grambling, North Carolina A&T 5.50
3. Eddie Robinson-Grambling 5.25
4. Joe Taylor-Hampton 4.45
5. Doug Williams-Grambling 4.05

Top 5 BCF Coaches Div II
1. Willie Slater-Tuskegee 6.75
2. Mike White-Albany State 6.00
3. Billy Joe-Central State 5.55
4. Rick Comegy-Tuskegee 4.20
5. Connell Maynor-Winston Salem State 3.75

... and for those who think there is very little difference in BCF between divisions, here is a combined Top 10.

Top 10 BCF Coaches OVERALL Combined Div from 1980-2017
1. Rod Broadway-NCCU,GSU,NCA&T 7.95
2. Billy Joe-CSU,FAMU 7.30
3. Joe Taylor-HiU(2) 6.90
4. Willie Slater-Tuskegee 6.75
5. Mike White-Albany St 6.00
6. Pete Richardson-Southern 5.55
7. Eddie Robinson-Grambling 5.25
8. Rick Comegy-Tuskegee 4.20
9. Doug Williams-Grambling 4.05
10. Connell Maynor-WSSU 3.75

On the bubble: Bill Hayes 3.70

[aggieblackie]

How do you bubblize a legend like Bill Hayes. Over 95 per cent on your list could not carry his jockey strap.

[thefriscotxaggie]

Ahh he gave you the criteria that went into how he formed the list...... in my opinion the above criteria is spot on. You can’t just select people based on emotion or personality.

I appreciated Hayes but based on the criteria he is just outside the Top 10.

[DOOMS]

Charles Thompson was the former OU qb that ended up playing running back at central state. He’d been busted selling coke while at OU.

[aggieblackie]

Frisco, the criteria list that he used is personal and emotional. It is not scientific or professional.
I or you could make up the criteria factors that we think rates a coach and come up with a different
outcome. Hell, Hayes mentored a few of those coaches he had on the list.

[Maxell]

Jan 15, 2018 10:51:53 GMT -5 aggieforlife said:

I must be missing something how and why is Doug Williams on this list?

3 National Championships, 5 SWAC Championships at Grambling

[Maxell]

Jan 15, 2018 12:30:52 GMT -5 DOOMS said:

Wasn’t central state naia the whole time Billy Joe was there?

Not the whole time but most of the time they were NAIA Independent which afforded them the right to play anyone. Many if not most of their opponents during that time are names that we know:

Alabama State
Delaware State
Tennessee State
Grand Valley State
Kentucky State
Eastern Illinois
Liberty
Bowie State
Lincoln
Fort Valley State
Morgan State
South Dakota
Alabama A&M
Carson Newman
Grambling State
Florida A&M
Hampton
Winston Salem State
Howard
Texas Southern
Virginia Union

[thefriscotxaggie]

Jan 15, 2018 23:18:07 GMT -5 aggieblackie said:

Frisco, the criteria list that he used is personal and emotional. It is not scientific or professional.
I or you could make up the criteria factors that we think rates a coach and come up with a different
outcome. Hell, Hayes mentored a few of those coaches he had on the list.

He listed 5 criteria they were based on W and L not sure how those are emotional .....

[Maxell]

Jan 15, 2018 23:18:07 GMT -5 aggieblackie said:

Frisco, the criteria list that he used is personal and emotional. It is not scientific or professional.
I or you could make up the criteria factors that we think rates a coach and come up with a different
outcome. Hell, Hayes mentored a few of those coaches he had on the list.

No emotion involved. I had no idea how it would turn out. I have the data. Give me a different criteria and I'll re-run the analysis.

Hayes won ONE National Championship while at A&T and in my criteria that was 40% of the rating. Hayes only won THREE conference championships and that was 25%. I think it is that important. That is subjective but it is not emotional. Was he a great coach? YES. Hayes did not crack the list because his teams at WSSU did not receive any national accolade so although he won FIVE CIAA Championships after 1980, I did not count them because I only wanted to focus on their time at the schools that garnered national championships. Also, I did not consider Pete Richardson's time at WSSU either.

Had Hayes' time at WSSU been considered, his score would be 5.95 and would certainly make the Top 10 OVERALL probably around number 7, if I did that for all coaches. Again, my focus was on each coach's national championship school, not his other coaching stops.

[aggieforlife]

I like the point system but were all the points for beating PWC schools.Coach Hayes won against Elon, East Tennessee State, Liberty, Western Carolina, App State and playoff win against Tenn State.I think there should be points for thoes types of Wins.Its to many Coaches on this list that has those type of wins and most on the Road..