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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jul 9, 2016 7:16:56 GMT -5
McGowens is a big factor for any success we have this year. He's not the outside shooter that Bruce is. But early reports from this summer are that he's a bull down low and is at least an equal (if not better) rebounder than Bruce at 230 lbs. And from his clips, he's a significantly better ball handler than Bruce. Combine that with Watson.... any team than can handle the ball from 1-4 can control tempo and get out in transition. There are no dominant lineups returning in the MEAC. Nothing will surprise me this season. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jul 9, 2016 10:44:23 GMT -5
Durham,
I will say Hampton has two 3 star plus transfers hitting the lineup other than their guard cooks they have alot changes as well but they look good on paper.
I agree about McGowens the other key will be if our pgs can effectively break a press and can quickly get into a off set. Last year we had to break the press with 4 guys thats taxing on your forwards. Last year after breaking the press we spent another 10 seconds dribbling / dancing around the top the key;then finaly taking a poor shot.......
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jul 9, 2016 11:19:47 GMT -5
Durham, I will say Hampton has two 3 star plus transfers hitting the lineup other than their guard cooks they have alot changes as well but they look good on paper. I agree about McGowens the other key will be if our pgs can effectively break a press and can quickly get into a off set. Last year we had to break the press with 4 guys thats taxing on your forwards. Last year after breaking the press we spent another 10 seconds dribbling / dancing around the top the key;then finaly taking a poor shot....... Eh... Morena couldn't stick at Kennesaw St, who was 11-20 last year. That's not saying much. And Colbert really didn't do a lot at Illinois. That's not to say that these guys aren't talented. We know what Quinton Chievous meant to Hampton the last 2 seasons. We saw how Ede and Joshea helped us last year. I'm just saying that their past talent/production doesn't appear to be enough to overcome early season chemistry issues and acclimation to their new program. Hampton is in the same boat as us, to be honest. And I have no problem saying that Sam Hunt is a better player than Cooks. Shoot... some games last year, we were trying to break a press with 3 guys, depending who was on the floor. Bruce, Arturs, Doby... just not reliable ball-handlers. Whitaker and Ede got better when Coach Joyner took over in the 2nd half of the season. Last year, we allowed 76 ppg. If we can get that between 65-70 ppg and consistently get more transition possessions... we have a shot to do some things this year. Nothing will surprise me with this team.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 9, 2016 11:42:14 GMT -5
i like mcgowens inside game, but i believe he's only 6'6" which could be a problem if he's to have success in the paint at the meac level. however, he seems to have that "charles barkley" kinda power which can often compensate for lack of height. we'll see, but he's gonna have to be able to score 15 feet on in. so its important that he adjust his game for taller players, which can be done. but i like that he doesn't shy away from "contact", he almost invites contact. and his video shows that he can score through contact. he doesn't appear to have the quickness of a guard, so at 6'6" i don't see him playing the 2, but he might be able to get away with playing the 3 because he does have a reasonable outside shot. but again, i'm gonna try to contain my excitement cuz i can remember getting overly excited about some recruits in the past who didn't pan out. but i swear, i believe that the new recruits are better players than the guys who left our program. seems to me that joyner may have taken a page out of levelle moton's playbook. when moton was an assistant at central, his recruits weren't anything to write home to mom about. but when he became head coach, he brought in far better talent than as an assistant and i'm thinking that joyner is also following that pattern...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jul 9, 2016 11:57:25 GMT -5
but again, i'm gonna try to contain my excitement cuz i can remember getting overly excited about some recruits in the past who didn't pan out. but i swear, i believe that the new recruits are better players than the guys who left our program. seems to me that joyner may have taken a page out of levelle moton's playbook. when moton was an assistant at central, his recruits weren't anything to write home to mom about. but when he became head coach, he brought in far better talent than as an assistant and i'm thinking that joyner is also following that pattern... OSA, you said a mouthful right now.... but I think it's a great point. Moton was recruiting for Dickerson... kids had to be sold on Dickerson and his style. Joyner was recruiting for Cy.... kids had to be sold on Cy and his style. It's a different era. We're going to see how it works for us.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 9, 2016 13:39:42 GMT -5
Nice OSA: But there is something about his release on his shot that sets me aback ! I just see him having trouble getting his shot off over a 6'4 or 6'6" college level guards (head up I mean) now off of screens I see all day points But it is just something about his shooting technique , that I can not put my hand on, reminds me of Keith "Silk" Wilkes who also had a odd short) But if it works for him , it works for me..lol saabman, what video are you watching? i didn't see anything at all wrong with his shooting mechanics. and his shot certainly doesn't look like "cornbread, earl, and me" keith wilkes' shot. wilkes had an "unorthodox" jump shot, i didn't see that at all in mullins' shot. and yes, almost any 6-2/6-3 inch tall guard would have trouble shooting over dudes who are 2 to 4 inches taller. but that's what structured offenses are for. besides, the kid has a "wicked" crossover and very good "one-on-one" skills, so i'm sure he can create the separation he needs to get his shot off over taller players when necessary. dude even has a "fade away jumper" that taller players can't block. offensively, the kid looked flawless to me. he uses "both hands" extremely well, can score inside and outside, has pretty good quickness, can stop on a friggin' dime, shoots 44% beyond the 3, has nba "3 point shooting" range, and can handle the ball as if it has a string attached. i just didn't see anything not to like about this kid's game. i think he's gonna be a "crowd pleaser", the kind of player we haven't had in quite some time. if he can duplicate his high school success at the meac level for a&t, the kid will increase our home attendance figures almost by himself...
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Post by aggierattler on Jul 9, 2016 15:16:29 GMT -5
Thanks, OSA! I do see the potential.
I also understand SABMAN's comment about his shot (not necessarily the mechanics, but the release). I'm sure that the coaches evaluated whether or not screens need to be set for him and will design the offensive sets accordingly when he's on the floor. Not a big concern, IMHO. Steph Curry needed the same thing coming into Davidson's program.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 9, 2016 16:25:41 GMT -5
Thanks, OSA! I do see the potential.
I also understand SABMAN's comment about his shot (not necessarily the mechanics, but the release). I'm sure that the coaches evaluated whether or not screens need to be set for him and will design the offensive sets accordingly when he's on the floor. Not a big concern, IMHO. Steph Curry needed the same thing coming into Davidson's program.
a/r, i don't even see a flaw with his release. i mean, his follow through somewhat drifts to the right slightly, but that's after the release. please help me to understand what you see wrong with his release because i definitely don't see it. i mean, dude is knocking down 44% from the 3, that's exceptional, not just good. a lot of guys can't shoot 44% just from the field, much less from 3 point land. i mean, what could possibly be wrong with mullins' jump shot? and i ask that because if i'm missing something, i wanna know what it is...
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Post by saabman on Jul 9, 2016 18:06:37 GMT -5
OSA : I am not dropping salt superstition on the young man...lol I like his game, and I hope that it carries over to A&T. But it was just something about his shot that seemed Odd to me. And you can look at the end of my statement and see that I said " But if it works for him , it works for me" I'm cool with the young man odd shot and all..lol
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Post by DECKS on Jul 10, 2016 8:53:56 GMT -5
Saabman I had the same concerns as you when I first looked at the video. When I went back and looked the second time I saw a kid who is so good at creating space off the dribble he doesn't have to rush his shot, especially on the deep 3's. You'll notice that when someone is guarding him tightly he has a much quicker and compact release.
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Post by DECKS on Jul 10, 2016 9:12:42 GMT -5
now i understand why the article stated that mullins is a “steal”. coach joyner stated that he was surprised that mullins hadn’t signed with anyone and i agree. it certainly can’t be because of any weaknesses in his game. i’m thinking it might be because he didn’t get very much “exposure” to be seen by college recruiters or maybe its his grades, i dunno. but it show ain’t because he can’t play... He had offers from WSSU and Fayetteville State that I've seen so far. Looks like he was preparing to go to UNCC and try out as a walk on when Joyner swooped in. The knock on him seems to be his effort on defense which he admitted to in this article I read about him. I'm still surprised he didn't receive other D-I offers? www.rockymounttelegram.com/High-Schools/2016/04/02/2016-ALL-AREA-BOYS-BASKETBALL-Mullins-puts-it-all-together-in-high-scoring-senior-season.html
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 10, 2016 16:27:58 GMT -5
now i understand why the article stated that mullins is a “steal”. coach joyner stated that he was surprised that mullins hadn’t signed with anyone and i agree. it certainly can’t be because of any weaknesses in his game. i’m thinking it might be because he didn’t get very much “exposure” to be seen by college recruiters or maybe its his grades, i dunno. but it show ain’t because he can’t play... He had offers from WSSU and Fayetteville State that I've seen so far. Looks like he was preparing to go to UNCC and try out as a walk on when Joyner swooped in. The knock on him seems to be his effort on defense which he admitted to in this article I read about him. I'm still surprised he didn't receive other D-I offers? www.rockymounttelegram.com/High-Schools/2016/04/02/2016-ALL-AREA-BOYS-BASKETBALL-Mullins-puts-it-all-together-in-high-scoring-senior-season.htmlyeah, after reading the article, in addition to lack of effort on defense, his coach also seems to believe that he has to be pushed by his coach in order for him to fulfill his potential. in other words, he may not have a very good "work ethic" which is not a good thing for guys transitioning from high school to college. but the way this guy can put the ball in the hoop, it still seems to me that his work ethic and lack of effort on defense would not be a deterrent to d1 coaches. i mean, dude averaged 24ppg and shot 44% from 3. i've always been a "defense first" kinda guy, but as much as i luv defense, i would not pass up the opportunity to sign this guy if i were a d1 coach. so i'm glad joyner wanted him in his program...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 10, 2016 16:34:54 GMT -5
OSA : I am not dropping salt superstition on the young man...lol I like his game, and I hope that it carries over to A&T. But it was just something about his shot that seemed Odd to me. And you can look at the end of my statement and see that I said " But if it works for him , it works for me" I'm cool with the young man odd shot and all..lol saabman, guess who this dude reminds me of? he reminds me of "kyrie irving". shoot, kyrie doesn't like playing defense either. but i see a similar "style" of offensive skillset in this dude to kyrie. offensively, this dude to me has the total package...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jul 10, 2016 16:40:19 GMT -5
OSA : I am not dropping salt superstition on the young man...lol I like his game, and I hope that it carries over to A&T. But it was just something about his shot that seemed Odd to me. And you can look at the end of my statement and see that I said " But if it works for him , it works for me" I'm cool with the young man odd shot and all..lol saabman, guess who this dude reminds me of? he reminds me of "kyrie irving". shoot, kyrie doesn't like playing defense either. but i see a similar "style" of offensive skillset in this dude to kyrie. offensively, this dude to me has the total package... That's "Uncle Drew" for the masses, OSA....
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