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Post by Maxell on Apr 26, 2016 22:36:24 GMT -5
It was probably a good idea to lock the Hassan Klugh thread at this time, but I wanted to thank everyone for the dialogue. Some of the best honest give and take we've had in a while on what I think was a worthy topic. Thanks again.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 27, 2016 8:07:35 GMT -5
yeah, i agree. and i’m not sure why it was locked other than perhaps the thread title was misleading to what was actually being discussed. otherwise, i see no harm in publicly discussing the upkeep of our facilities. far worst has been discussed numerous times on bdv in the past without the thread being locked. but it is what it is...
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 27, 2016 9:30:10 GMT -5
I locked it because it was eight pages long and was completely off-topic. Furthermore the title of thread was Hasaan Klugh. If the title of the thread was oleschoolaggie and it droned on for eight pages (five of which had nothing to do with you) how would you feel?
I'm in full agreement that the facilities argument is always a good topic. It's a topic worthy of its own thread.
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 27, 2016 9:57:31 GMT -5
Well, I think we all want the best for A&T...sometimes we may not agree on the route to take to get there. While I understand making the face of our university look as presentable as possible. It almost seems like we forget the strides that have been made over the last 4-5 years as it relates to athletics. To me based on the pipeline of priorities the university face, the football field turning brown in November may not be top of the list. If recruits have resigned their decision to a college to the color of the football field, then something seems out of order. I gotta believe that there has to be more than just that to make such an important decision. And if we should lose a recruit for such a reason, I'm not too sure that recruit really wanted to come to begin with.
We have sports products and facilities that we can be proud of...are they the best, absolutely not. As for Corbett and the seating, there was a time that you attended games and folk didn't sit down on the lower levels behind the backboards, which created an electric atmosphere during the games. Now, it sounds as if we want every seat to be bucket seating throughout the facility. My opinion is, that may not be highest on the priority list either. Also, it is hard for me to fathom the idea that a recruit will not come play basketball for us because, we don't have bucket seating throughout Corbett. It makes more sense in my mind that a recruit may turn us down due to poor performance on the court over the past 3-4 seasons...that makes sense. Just my two cents.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Apr 27, 2016 10:12:21 GMT -5
Agreed ohsix........winning trumps everything. No one is complaining about Corbett when the women's team is whipping up on opposition in the same gym and winning 20 games per year and the MEAC title. We're getting better recruits year after year with the "same old dilapidated gym."
I'm all for improving Corbett, but when you have 20 years of coaches who were not DI head coach ready (going back to Roy Thomas in the 90's), your program will falter.....even if we would have played our home games in the GSO Coliseum, Dean Dome or the RBC Center.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 27, 2016 10:20:13 GMT -5
I locked it because it was eight pages long and was completely off-topic. Furthermore the title of thread was Hasaan Klugh. If the title of the thread was oleschoolaggie and it droned on for eight pages (five of which had nothing to do with you) how would you feel? I'm in full agreement that the facilities argument is always a good topic. It's a topic worthy of its own thread. i “assumed” it was locked because of the thread title but didn’t know for sure, as i previously stated. if the title was the issue, that’s understandable. but it would’ve been nice if you’d left a brief one or two sentence post stating why it was being locked so that we wouldn’t be clueless. heck, had me wondering if someone had stated something that was “inappropriate” which i had not seen. i don’t have a problem with the locking of the thread, clearly the discussion wasn’t directly pertaining to the title. but leaving a sentence or two of explanation would’ve been helpful for those of us who didn’t know why it had been locked in the first place because locking the thread “abruptly” brought a complete end to a very productive discussion, in my humble opinion. and i personally didn’t think to start a new thread on the upkeep of facilities because i didn’t know if that was why the thread was locked to begin with. your post that i’m now quoting would’ve been very appropriate upon the locking of the thread and it just may have encouraged someone to start a new separate thread on the topic that was actually being discussed (upkeep of facilities) so that we may continue our dialogue. instead, it “abruptly” ended the very interesting discussion altogether and i would think that most of us didn’t know why and because of it, completely left the topic alone. who knows, perhaps some great ideas could’ve resulted from that discussion that could benefit a&t or be passed on to earl hilton...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 27, 2016 10:53:47 GMT -5
Well, I think we all want the best for A&T...sometimes we may not agree on the route to take to get there. While I understand making the face of our university look as presentable as possible. It almost seems like we forget the strides that have been made over the last 4-5 years as it relates to athletics. To me based on the pipeline of priorities the university face, the football field turning brown in November may not be top of the list. If recruits have resigned their decision to a college to the color of the football field, then something seems out of order. I gotta believe that there has to be more than just that to make such an important decision. And if we should lose a recruit for such a reason, I'm not too sure that recruit really wanted to come to begin with. We have sports products and facilities that we can be proud of...are they the best, absolutely not. As for Corbett and the seating, there was a time that you attended games and folk didn't sit down on the lower levels behind the backboards, which created an electric atmosphere during the games. Now, it sounds as if we want every seat to be bucket seating throughout the facility. My opinion is, that may not be highest on the priority list either. Also, it is hard for me to fathom the idea that a recruit will not come play basketball for us because, we don't have bucket seating throughout Corbett. It makes more sense in my mind that a recruit may turn us down due to poor performance on the court over the past 3-4 seasons...that makes sense. Just my two cents. i hear ya, ohsix. but ohsix, let me ask you a question and please give me an honest answer if you care to. if you’re a football player, would you rather play and practice tackle football on “dirt” (i.e., the spring game)? or would you rather play and practice tackle football on a well groomed grass surface or field turf? i mean, if you’ve played contact football before and you’re honest, clearly you would not want to play or practice on “dirt”. i mean, anybody who says they would prefer “dirt” is being a bit “disingenuous”. its not a matter of being resigned to the color of the field. instead its a matter of a very “basic” standard which 95% (my own estimate) of fcs schools conform to. virtually all fcs schools that i’ve seen either keep their grass green or use artificial turf. right now famu, norfolk, and us are the only meac schools who don’t have artificial turf. and our ad has already commented that the issue is not related to a lack of resources. so let’s not act like this is something that must take a back seat to other priorities. the upkeep of a grass surface is not terribly “expensive” or “complex”. my very own home lawn stays green virtually all year long, even through the winter because i personally treat it myself and i’ve never been trained to treat grass before in my entire born life. i seed my lawn, fertilize it, and water it. and it stays green virtually all year long. i only have to seed once per year and fertilize maybe 3 or 4 times per year at minimal cost. man, you act like the upkeep of a grass surface cost millions of dollars, but it doesn’t. now, as far as winning goes? it has absolutely “nothing” to do with the upkeep of facilities. you think if we won the meac championship “outright” every year, that it still wouldn’t matter how our facilities looked? nothing could be further from the truth. the upkeep of facilities isn’t just for recruiting purposes, but its also intended to present a&t to a very large public audience in a “positive” light. some people have “pride” in appearance (me), some people could care less about appearance (you). i think most people take “pride” in the appearance of themselves and their homes or even their cars. when a&t is on “international tv”, we most certainly should care how the rest of the world views our campus. if all they see is a beat up grass surface or sorely outdated hard azz medal eyesore bleachers, then it sends a negative message about the rest of the university. “first impressions” mean a lot, and not just to recruits...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Apr 27, 2016 12:11:19 GMT -5
Well, I think we all want the best for A&T...sometimes we may not agree on the route to take to get there. While I understand making the face of our university look as presentable as possible. It almost seems like we forget the strides that have been made over the last 4-5 years as it relates to athletics. To me based on the pipeline of priorities the university face, the football field turning brown in November may not be top of the list. If recruits have resigned their decision to a college to the color of the football field, then something seems out of order. I gotta believe that there has to be more than just that to make such an important decision. And if we should lose a recruit for such a reason, I'm not too sure that recruit really wanted to come to begin with. We have sports products and facilities that we can be proud of...are they the best, absolutely not. As for Corbett and the seating, there was a time that you attended games and folk didn't sit down on the lower levels behind the backboards, which created an electric atmosphere during the games. Now, it sounds as if we want every seat to be bucket seating throughout the facility. My opinion is, that may not be highest on the priority list either. Also, it is hard for me to fathom the idea that a recruit will not come play basketball for us because, we don't have bucket seating throughout Corbett. It makes more sense in my mind that a recruit may turn us down due to poor performance on the court over the past 3-4 seasons...that makes sense. Just my two cents. We certainly all want the best for A&T. And we've made some big strides since 2011. As far as appearances... it's first impressions. For some kids, it may not matter. For others (especially those who are being recruited by other mid-majors), it's a disadvantage. If one thing looks out of sorts, then you look at other things. For both football & hoops, it's the stadium/field, practice facilities, locker rooms and training/meeting facility, dining/training table access and dorm quality. Then there's academics and support. Corbett... I don't think folks are expecting buckets seats all the way around. Truth be told... I'd rather put in blue cushioned bleachers upstairs (similar to ones on the ends of the court). That and a fresh coat of white paint all the way around Corbett (combined with the new blue bleachers) would do wonders for a modernized look inside of Corbett. Then, there's the main entrance... the dusty trophy case that looks like it's been there since 1981. A new trophy case, retrofitted lighting and a fresh coat of paint (and maybe some bathrooms without having to go into the gym)... would be a great thing, because the kids usually enter through that door. And the locker rooms definitely need to be keeping up with the Joneses. Kids are smart. If they go to other comparable schools and see that they're upgrading and A&T isn't....it sends the message that money isn't being poured into the program... and we're likely not going to pour as much money into supporting THEM as the other schools. Recruiting then becomes tougher. That's my take, anyway.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Apr 27, 2016 12:27:13 GMT -5
I do believe the stadium field looked bad because it was used for practice when the practice field suffered due to rain. We as a group need to find ways to fund raise enough money to be earmarked for a new artificial practice surface so that the stadium field does not have to be used.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 27, 2016 12:56:41 GMT -5
I do believe the stadium field looked bad because it was used for practice when the practice field suffered due to rain. We as a group need to find ways to fund raise enough money to be earmarked for a new artificial practice surface so that the stadium field does not have to be used. I actually thought I heard someone say that that was the next thing in the works for the football stadium. Artificial practice surface behind the visitors side. Am I wrong?
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Apr 27, 2016 12:57:34 GMT -5
Artificial turf in Aggie stadium is almost unavoidable in my opinion. It would be the finishing touch on a great facility.
The fencing around the stadium could use an upgrade as well. Making that change would improve that entire part of campus.
Truth is, we are not that far off. We have some great facilities. Attention to the details however would go a long way.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 27, 2016 13:05:42 GMT -5
Artificial turf in Aggie stadium is almost unavoidable in my opinion. It would be the finishing touch on a great facility. The fencing around the stadium could use an upgrade as well. Making that change would improve that entire part of campus. Truth is, we are not that far off. We have some great facilities. Attention to the details however would go a long way. I agree and I'm really confused as to why we haven't already done both or have a date to do them. Schools with far less resources and budget got it done. NCCU put that stone column wrought iron fence all the way down Austin Ave and it looks great. Theirs is only 6 feet, where ours would probably have to be 8 feet because it's for a stadium.
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 27, 2016 13:18:43 GMT -5
Well, I think we all want the best for A&T...sometimes we may not agree on the route to take to get there. While I understand making the face of our university look as presentable as possible. It almost seems like we forget the strides that have been made over the last 4-5 years as it relates to athletics. To me based on the pipeline of priorities the university face, the football field turning brown in November may not be top of the list. If recruits have resigned their decision to a college to the color of the football field, then something seems out of order. I gotta believe that there has to be more than just that to make such an important decision. And if we should lose a recruit for such a reason, I'm not too sure that recruit really wanted to come to begin with. We have sports products and facilities that we can be proud of...are they the best, absolutely not. As for Corbett and the seating, there was a time that you attended games and folk didn't sit down on the lower levels behind the backboards, which created an electric atmosphere during the games. Now, it sounds as if we want every seat to be bucket seating throughout the facility. My opinion is, that may not be highest on the priority list either. Also, it is hard for me to fathom the idea that a recruit will not come play basketball for us because, we don't have bucket seating throughout Corbett. It makes more sense in my mind that a recruit may turn us down due to poor performance on the court over the past 3-4 seasons...that makes sense. Just my two cents. i hear ya, ohsix. but ohsix, let me ask you a question and please give me an honest answer if you care to. if you’re a football player, would you rather play and practice tackle football on “dirt” (i.e., the spring game)? or would you rather play and practice tackle football on a well groomed grass surface or field turf? i mean, if you’ve played contact football before and you’re honest, clearly you would not want to play or practice on “dirt”. i mean, anybody who says they would prefer “dirt” is being a bit “disingenuous”. its not a matter of being resigned to the color of the field. instead its a matter of a very “basic” standard which 95% (my own estimate) of fcs schools conform to. virtually all fcs schools that i’ve seen either keep their grass green or use artificial turf. right now famu, norfolk, and us are the only meac schools who don’t have artificial turf. and our ad has already commented that the issue is not related to a lack of resources. so let’s not act like this is something that must take a back seat to other priorities. the upkeep of a grass surface is not terribly “expensive” or “complex”. my very own home lawn stays green virtually all year long, even through the winter because i personally treat it myself and i’ve never been trained to treat grass before in my entire born life. i seed my lawn, fertilize it, and water it. and it stays green virtually all year long. i only have to seed once per year and fertilize maybe 3 or 4 times per year at minimal cost. man, you act like the upkeep of a grass surface cost millions of dollars, but it doesn’t. now, as far as winning goes? it has absolutely “nothing” to do with the upkeep of facilities. you think if we won the meac championship “outright” every year, that it still wouldn’t matter how our facilities looked? nothing could be further from the truth. the upkeep of facilities isn’t just for recruiting purposes, but its also intended to present a&t to a very large public audience in a “positive” light. some people have “pride” in appearance (me), some people could care less about appearance (you). i think most people take “pride” in the appearance of themselves and their homes or even their cars. when a&t is on “international tv”, we most certainly should care how the rest of the world views our campus. if all they see is a beat up grass surface or sorely outdated hard azz medal eyesore bleachers, then it sends a negative message about the rest of the university. “first impressions” mean a lot, and not just to recruits... Sure, I'd want the best that I could get BUT and don't miss this point...the reason behind the choice of the institution should NOT be based on whether I'll have to practice on dirt as opposed to synthetic turf. Again, this is my opinion, I don't necessarily agree that a decision to attend a college/university be based on something that minute. I'm not saying it doesn't happen...but, that's what my stance is premised on. I believe it's our responsibility as parents to provide as much information about our colleges/universities (HBCUs) so it's not issue that we lose because of those reasons alone. Secondly, I don't think our facilities are that second rate when it comes to football or basketball. Sure we can improve but, to say we cannot compete with what we have, I don't believe that to be true. Most importantly, recruiting boils down to success on the field/court. And in our case, that statement alone speaks for itself...look at both football and basketball.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 27, 2016 13:38:52 GMT -5
Corbett... I don't think folks are expecting buckets seats all the way around. Truth be told... I'd rather put in blue cushioned bleachers upstairs (similar to ones on the ends of the court). That and a fresh coat of white paint all the way around Corbett (combined with the new blue bleachers) would do wonders for a modernized look inside of Corbett. that’s exactly what i had in mind, durham. i’ve never advocated “seatbacks” on the upper level and even if we could afford them, i would not want “seatbacks” on the upper level because it would “drastically” reduce our seating capacity. so by all means, definitely keep bleachers on the upper level. but like you said, replace them with more modern and more comfortable blue bleachers. i wouldn’t even be opposed to wooden bleachers as long as they’re of good quality. plus freshen up the paint job, throw in a new scoreboard, and “bingo”! corbett is again one of the top 5 basketball facilities in the meac. i’d also like to upgrade our basketball court with a new surface, but i won’t even ask for that...
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 27, 2016 13:57:10 GMT -5
Corbett... I don't think folks are expecting buckets seats all the way around. Truth be told... I'd rather put in blue cushioned bleachers upstairs (similar to ones on the ends of the court). That and a fresh coat of white paint all the way around Corbett (combined with the new blue bleachers) would do wonders for a modernized look inside of Corbett. that’s exactly what i had in mind, durham. i’ve never advocated “seatbacks” on the upper level and even if we could afford them, i would not want “seatbacks” on the upper level because it would “drastically” reduce our seating capacity. so by all means, definitely keep bleachers on the upper level. but like you said, replace them with more modern and more comfortable blue bleachers. i wouldn’t even be opposed to wooden bleachers as long as they’re of good quality. plus freshen up the paint job, throw in a new scoreboard, and “bingo”! corbett is again one of the top 5 basketball facilities in the meac. i’d also like to upgrade our basketball court with a new surface, but i won’t even ask for that... But guys are we in need of true renovation or are we splitting hairs here. Now, not long ago, I read that NCCU's gym is better than ours and the arguments made why. But what you guys describe as being needed is going to bring back to top 5 as far as basketball facilities in the conference...that tells me we were never that bad to begin with. And generally when you see comments like that, you begin to believe a major renovation project is needed or a band new construction project. Now all I hear is paint, dust off the trophy case and get some rest rooms...Come on Man!!!
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