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Post by saabman on Mar 30, 2016 11:11:17 GMT -5
to me, comparing cohen to hicks is like comparing barry sanders to walter peyton. cohen does some things that hicks could never dream of doing and hicks has done some things that cohen could never dream of doing. that’s because they’re two different types of backs, just like barry sanders and walter peyton were two different types of backs. actually you can’t go wrong with either one of them, but hicks was a “bigger” and more powerful back than cohen, while cohen is a much “faster” and more agile back than hicks. if someone put a gun to my head and forced me to choose between the two, i’d have to give the slight edge cohen. others may disagree, but i think cohen is more of a “game changer” than hicks and this past season cohen had to run behind a subpar o-line. plus, cohen can take it to the house and will take it to the house from “anywhere” on the doggone football field and i have yet to see anybody catch him from behind. that’s why i give the slight edge to cohen. dude is a "game breaker"! don't believe me, just ask alcorn state about that... Also Hicks played in more of a Run Based Offence As someone stated " Hicks was the show but the The Kid is just one part of many parts of the show" 8-)also Hicks had a better O-line to run behind. Like I said The Kid has done more with less then any RB at A&T
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 30, 2016 11:13:27 GMT -5
Are Cohen's numbers over any two year stretch better than Hicks' two years? I'm not sure but I don't think they have been to date. Remember, Hicks set a division I game record for yards. He was our all-time leading rusher until Iron Mike (I think) and he didn't even play two full years. That is pretty amazing. I'm just sayin... Of course then you have to factor in the fact that Hicks was the workhorse and the offense ran through him, period. Cohen's been a piece (the main piece at times, but not always) of the offensive puzzle. Ultimately I'm still not sure if Cohen's the outright "best" rb to play at T. Again, it comes down to how you quantify "best." Stats are the easiest way, but then do you go by one year, two years, or career? Do you include ability to catch the ball? Blocking? So many ways to quantify it. I can say he's been head and shoulders above any back since Hicks. Depending on how you quantify "best" he may be better than Hicks... Is he good enough to retire that jersey? Doubt it, but this season has yet to be played. Over a two year stretch? Cohen indeed gets him with his 2014 and 2015 combined numbers - 2,883 yards to 2,812 for Hicks (2000-01).
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 30, 2016 11:33:53 GMT -5
That Alcorn performance put him over the top big time.
Even still, I think in that two year stretch Cohen probably played five more games than Hicks did.
But then, Cohen probably would have had over 500 yards if he'd played against Morgan in that same record-setting game as Hicks. Cohen, behind that line, with his stature?!? They would never have seen him until he was in the end zone.
Man, I could spend all day bolstering either side of that argument.
When it's the offseason we really don't have isht to talk about. Lol...
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Post by saabman on Mar 30, 2016 11:42:49 GMT -5
That Alcorn performance put him over the top big time. Even still, I think in that two year stretch Cohen probably played five more games than Hicks did. But then, Cohen probably would have had over 500 yards if he'd played against Morgan in that same record-setting game as Hicks. Cohen, behind that line, with his stature?!? They would never have seen him until he was in the end zone. Man, I could spend all day bolstering either side of that argument. When it's the offseason we really don't have isht to talk about. Lol... AMEN....lol
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 30, 2016 11:49:07 GMT -5
to me, comparing cohen to hicks is like comparing barry sanders to walter peyton. cohen does some things that hicks could never dream of doing and hicks has done some things that cohen could never dream of doing. that’s because they’re two different types of backs, just like barry sanders and walter peyton were two different types of backs. actually you can’t go wrong with either one of them, but hicks was a “bigger” and more powerful back than cohen, while cohen is a much “faster” and more agile back than hicks. if someone put a gun to my head and forced me to choose between the two, i’d have to give the slight edge cohen. others may disagree, but i think cohen is more of a “game changer” than hicks and this past season cohen had to run behind a subpar o-line. plus, cohen can take it to the house and will take it to the house from “anywhere” on the doggone football field and i have yet to see anybody catch him from behind. that’s why i give the slight edge to cohen. dude is a "game breaker"! don't believe me, just ask alcorn state about that... Also Hicks played in more of a Run Based Offence As someone stated " Hicks was the show but the The Kid is just one part of many parts of the show" 8-)also Hicks had a better O-line to run behind. Like I said The Kid has done more with less then any RB at A&T good point, saabman...
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Post by mthollyaggie98 on Jul 16, 2016 6:53:44 GMT -5
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jul 16, 2016 8:42:54 GMT -5
I love "The Kid" but I'm not big on retiring numbers...unless the individual has a lifetime body of work on and off the field. Al Attles and Elvin Bethea fall into that category. Those guys were stars at A&T and after. That's not putting shade on anybody else, but to me retiring a number is a really big honor and should be more than just a few season stats.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jul 16, 2016 10:02:18 GMT -5
I love "The Kid" but I'm not big on retiring numbers...unless the individual has a lifetime body of work on and off the field. Al Attles and Elvin Bethea fall into that category. Those guys were stars at A&T and after. That's not putting shade on anybody else, but to me retiring a number is a really big honor and should be more than just a few season stats. I'll disagree on this one for one reason... his impact on the university's national exposure. If Tarik runs for 1,000 yards this year and doesn't play a down of football in the NFL he would have: - The all-time MEAC rushing record - The first Celebration Bowl MVP with 295 yards rushing and 3 TDs - Increased A&T's national exposure exponentially via backflip catches, CB performance and the main reason for us having 3 prime-time football games in 2016 (most of this courtesy of ESPN)... even a national publication appearance (Bleacher Report) as #15 of the Top 25 athletes in all of College Football. His impact on the school in 3 years is what sets him apart. That's a very rare thing.
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Post by DECKS on Jul 17, 2016 0:32:11 GMT -5
Cohen's value is unquestionable. Not only is he set to become the MEAC's all time leading rusher but I think he will become the HBCU DI all time leading rusher as well.
As I previously mentioned I do not think it would be fair to retire #28 under his name considering Mike Ferguson and Mike Mayhew also wore the number. Just give that number to our most promising tailback every few years.
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Post by Gator on Jul 27, 2016 7:29:12 GMT -5
If he's named the Walter Payton Award player of the year (hope I'm not jinxing him), his jersey should be retired, period.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 8:51:30 GMT -5
If he's named the Walter Payton Award player of the year (hope I'm not jinxing him), his jersey should be retired, period. That would be dope to see.
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Post by saabman on Jul 28, 2016 22:20:47 GMT -5
marchingband1969: I have to disagree with you also. I feel that his number should be Retired, Because of his body of work on and on the field at A&T and A&T only period. Yes "Mike Ferguson and Mike Mayhew also wore the number but they did not have The Kids numbers . Syracuse retired # 44 based on Jim Brown, Ernie Davis and Floyd Little body of work as Syracuse Football players. Not by what they did in the NFL , and they unretired #44 with all three of there Blessings to be worn by a promising RB . A&T can do the same thing Retire # 28 to honor Mike Mayhaw and The Kid or any RB that was outstanding with that # on his front and Back for what they have done as Aggie Footballers . You don't have to put a name on a # for people to know who wore it because that # 28 specks for it's self. 8-)And if you see that # on any Aggie Baller , All of us will Know that He is one Bad Dude..!!
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