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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 28, 2015 13:28:47 GMT -5
Before the Celebration Bowl was played, I think most MEAC football programs though it was an "interesting " concept but no big deal. After all the TV coverage, media buzz, and financial payouts, I think the Celebration Bowl will create a since of urgency for most of the MEAC teams next season. Just having a winning season will not cut it anymore. If you're not going to the Celebration Bowl your season wasn't successful. As much as NCCU enjoyed beating A&T at the end of the season, they hated sitting at home watching us get all the glory.
The Celebration Bowl has done what the FCS playoffs never was able to do. ..give MEAC teams, Universities and fans a since of urgency to get better. At least for the next 5 years MEAC teams will strive to get to Atlanta in December.
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Post by aggie62 on Dec 28, 2015 15:33:09 GMT -5
... The Celebration Bowl has done what the FCS playoffs never was able to do. ..give MEAC teams, Universities and fans a since of urgency to get better. At least for the next 5 years MEAC teams will strive to get to Atlanta in December. 1969, you makes some interesting points and I agree with you.
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Post by aggie2ru on Jan 6, 2016 16:48:11 GMT -5
I thought this is food for thought:
MEAC/SWAC Bowl Payout
MEAC/SWAC Celebration Bowl will pay out $1,000,000 to each conference.
The representative from the MEAC/SWAC will receive $200,000 in tickets to the game that they must sell in order to make a portion of their own payout. And by the way, all of the complimentary tickets for the band, cheerleaders, admin, President, players guests, etc must come from the $200,000 in free tickets that were given to them, so the more family, friends, and band you bring, the smaller your payout is. Everyone knows that HBCU's typically have pretty large bands. Here's the breakdown from a very knowledgable former front office guy over on MFZ...
For simplicity's sake, let's say that Norfolk State was sent 8,000 tickets @ $25 each for the Celebration Bowl. That gives them the potential to make $200,000 if they sell ALL of their tickets before the game.
HOWEVER, out of those 8,000 tickets you will have to use some of them for your Player Guest List, the athletic department's traveling party, the President's Office traveling party, your marching band and some of your key sponsors who have "postseason tickets" in their sponsorship contracts.
The two big items are the marching band and the Player Guest List.
The Rule of Thumb for seating a marching band is that they take up 3 seats per instrument. Let's say that your band is marching 300 people...that's 900 seats that you have to "kill" (lock up and let your auditors destroy so that they can't be accidently sold).
All marching band personnel who do not have instruments (directors, advisors, music department personnel) need an additional 40 tickets.
Now, let's assume that all 65 players have the allotted four (4) guests on the list. That's 260 tickets that you can't sell.
Your President's office requests 120 tickets.
Your AD needs 80 tickets for various people that he/she needs to take care of...including athletic department staff.
Your SID needs 20 tickets to take care of media obligations.
Your marketing people need 140 tickets to take care of obligations in sponsorship contracts.
All of your coaches have tickets written into their contracts...starting with the head coach, who has 20 per game. Including the training staff and assistant coaches, they need 80 tickets.
Just using these conservative numbers, you are already out of 1,640 tickets for a loss of $41,000...and you still haven't housed your players, band and cheerleaders in hotels, fed your players, band and cheerleaders, paid for bus transportation or sold one single ticket. Of the remaining $800,000... That is going to be split either 80/20 or 70/30 between the participating school and the remaining schools and MEAC office. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that it goes 80/20 and the participating school gets the biggest possible share of the cash payout. That equates to $640,000 in cash. Of course, you also have to feed and house the players, band, cheerleaders, etc for for 2 weeks after the semester is over, so you can take a pretty big bite out of that with all of those additional costs. All costs are the responsibility of the participating teams, no costs will be handled by sponsors, ESPN, etc. Food alone, going with a budget of $40 a day per player, with 100 people on the team (it's a bowl game, so everyone gets to go), there's $40,000 for the 10 days on campus for practice before travelling to Atlanta, and you haven't fed the band and cheerleaders yet, nor housed anyone. And if you didn't sell all of your $200,000 in tickets, then you might face cost overruns that need to be paid for out of the cash disbursement. Taking the $200,000 in tickets seems to be a risky endeavor, especially if someone like a Morgan State or Delaware State wins the conference, there is no way they approach $200,000 in ticket sales and the travel costs are going to be considerably higher because there's no way you can reasonably ask those teams to bus everyone to Atlanta.
Anyway, that leaves $160,000 left to distribute to the rest of the conference. I'm sure the front office will take a cut, but even if they were suddenly altruistic enough to give away the entire 20%, that's only $16,000 for the remaining schools. So a team like SC State or NC A&T had their national title dreams taken away by teams like Delaware State and Savannah State for $16,000... Ouch.
The payout should still be north of $500,000 for the participating team, so that's nothing to sneeze at, but it's also not the windfall that was hinted at. And with only $16,000 to everyone that doesn't make the bowl game, there could be some hard feelings in the halls.
This was written earlier in the season.
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Post by aggieclt on Jan 8, 2016 7:49:10 GMT -5
I did not know this about the Celebration Bowl television ratings. Did you all? The inaugural Celebration Bowl in Atlanta provided a great game between North Carolina A&T and Alcorn State, and it could also breathe new life into faltering HBCU football programs. A&T prevailed over Alcorn 41-34 in the December 19 game, a historic partnership between the SWAC, MEAC and ESPN. The respective conference champions declined automatic bids into the FCS playoffs to participate in the Celebration Bowl. The reward is a $1 million payout to each conference, which breaks down to $100,000 for each SWAC member and $91,000 for MEAC schools. To pocket that kind of cash, both teams would have had to advance deep into the FBS playoffs. Should either A&T or Alcorn want to host an FBS playoff game, a $30,000 minimum bid would have to be submitted. With an 11 a.m., kickoff on the first Saturday of NCAA bowl season, the game was one of the most-watched on television that day – something that had to impress the bottom-line folks at ESPN. According to ShowBuzz Daily, the thrilling game drew a 1.89 rating on ABC, second only to the Las Vegas Bowl (2.41) that featured bitter rivals BYU and Utah. Arizona vs. New Mexico in the New Mexico Bowl (ESPN 1.40), Ohio vs. Appalachian State in the Camellia Bowl (ESPN 1.37) and the New Orleans Bowl featuring Arkansas State vs. Louisiana Tech (ESPN 0.95) all trailed the Celebration Bowl in viewership. Its broadcast success should be credited to ESPN for showing the game nationwide on ABC, and to Rob King, the African-American senior vice president of SportsCenter and news for ESPN. King oversees SportsCenter and all ESPN news gathering. Upon his order, SportsCenter coverage of the day’s bowl games was centered in Atlanta at the Georgia Dome. What does this mean for St. Louis? “If the site of the game came open for bid, we would certainly look at it,” said Chris Roseman, St. Louis Sports Commission vice president – events. Roseman said the organization “has been looking to get in the bowl business for 20 years and it’s tough.” With ESPN guaranteeing the payouts for the conferences, one of the major hurdles could be cleared. Of course, Atlanta is more geographically attractive than St. Louis for many HBCU teams on the East Coast or in the South. But, if there is a chance to land the game, “sure, we would be interested,” Roseman said. www.stlamerican.com/sports/sports_columnists/sports_eye/article_1b714d9e-b4c8-11e5-a71c-5b15f1ff9576.html
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Post by aggierattler on Jan 8, 2016 9:23:55 GMT -5
I thought this is food for thought: MEAC/SWAC Bowl Payout MEAC/SWAC Celebration Bowl will pay out $1,000,000 to each conference. The representative from the MEAC/SWAC will receive $200,000 in tickets to the game that they must sell in order to make a portion of their own payout. And by the way, all of the complimentary tickets for the band, cheerleaders, admin, President, players guests, etc must come from the $200,000 in free tickets that were given to them, so the more family, friends, and band you bring, the smaller your payout is. Everyone knows that HBCU's typically have pretty large bands. Here's the breakdown from a very knowledgable former front office guy over on MFZ... For simplicity's sake, let's say that Norfolk State was sent 8,000 tickets @ $25 each for the Celebration Bowl. That gives them the potential to make $200,000 if they sell ALL of their tickets before the game. HOWEVER, out of those 8,000 tickets you will have to use some of them for your Player Guest List, the athletic department's traveling party, the President's Office traveling party, your marching band and some of your key sponsors who have "postseason tickets" in their sponsorship contracts. The two big items are the marching band and the Player Guest List. The Rule of Thumb for seating a marching band is that they take up 3 seats per instrument. Let's say that your band is marching 300 people...that's 900 seats that you have to "kill" (lock up and let your auditors destroy so that they can't be accidently sold). All marching band personnel who do not have instruments (directors, advisors, music department personnel) need an additional 40 tickets. Now, let's assume that all 65 players have the allotted four (4) guests on the list. That's 260 tickets that you can't sell. Your President's office requests 120 tickets. Your AD needs 80 tickets for various people that he/she needs to take care of...including athletic department staff. Your SID needs 20 tickets to take care of media obligations. Your marketing people need 140 tickets to take care of obligations in sponsorship contracts. All of your coaches have tickets written into their contracts...starting with the head coach, who has 20 per game. Including the training staff and assistant coaches, they need 80 tickets. Just using these conservative numbers, you are already out of 1,640 tickets for a loss of $41,000...and you still haven't housed your players, band and cheerleaders in hotels, fed your players, band and cheerleaders, paid for bus transportation or sold one single ticket. Of the remaining $800,000... That is going to be split either 80/20 or 70/30 between the participating school and the remaining schools and MEAC office. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that it goes 80/20 and the participating school gets the biggest possible share of the cash payout. That equates to $640,000 in cash. Of course, you also have to feed and house the players, band, cheerleaders, etc for for 2 weeks after the semester is over, so you can take a pretty big bite out of that with all of those additional costs. All costs are the responsibility of the participating teams, no costs will be handled by sponsors, ESPN, etc. Food alone, going with a budget of $40 a day per player, with 100 people on the team (it's a bowl game, so everyone gets to go), there's $40,000 for the 10 days on campus for practice before travelling to Atlanta, and you haven't fed the band and cheerleaders yet, nor housed anyone. And if you didn't sell all of your $200,000 in tickets, then you might face cost overruns that need to be paid for out of the cash disbursement. Taking the $200,000 in tickets seems to be a risky endeavor, especially if someone like a Morgan State or Delaware State wins the conference, there is no way they approach $200,000 in ticket sales and the travel costs are going to be considerably higher because there's no way you can reasonably ask those teams to bus everyone to Atlanta. Anyway, that leaves $160,000 left to distribute to the rest of the conference. I'm sure the front office will take a cut, but even if they were suddenly altruistic enough to give away the entire 20%, that's only $16,000 for the remaining schools. So a team like SC State or NC A&T had their national title dreams taken away by teams like Delaware State and Savannah State for $16,000... Ouch. The payout should still be north of $500,000 for the participating team, so that's nothing to sneeze at, but it's also not the windfall that was hinted at. And with only $16,000 to everyone that doesn't make the bowl game, there could be some hard feelings in the halls. This was written earlier in the season. I honestly don't know if this is the one that I posted on another board or not. However, these are the very same concerns that I laid out well before football season kicked off.
The game has been played and we are the Celebration Bowl champions. If it's revealed, it will be interesting to see what the final payout distribution is.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jan 8, 2016 11:46:41 GMT -5
I'm sure Hilton will share the final revenue details soon. Most of the articles I've seen about schools attending bowls often spend the majority of the playoff on the players, alums and university officials. I expect Hilton to do an excellent job managing whatever funds come in. We can second guess the payout but I'd rather wait for the actual facts.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 8, 2016 13:21:10 GMT -5
The Rule of Thumb for seating a marching band is that they take up 3 seats per instrument. Let's say that your band is marching 300 people...that's 900 seats that you have to "kill" (lock up and let your auditors destroy so that they can't be accidently sold).
The only thing that sticks out about the breakdown given is for the band . I honestly don't think you would need to allow 3 seats per instrument . Why would you need 3 seats for a clarinet ,trumpet ,saxophone ,etc. The only people who need extra room is the tubas and drum line . I could see extra space for golden delight , they could get what ever they want from me, LOL .
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Post by aggierattler on Jan 8, 2016 15:44:51 GMT -5
The Rule of Thumb for seating a marching band is that they take up 3 seats per instrument. Let's say that your band is marching 300 people...that's 900 seats that you have to "kill" (lock up and let your auditors destroy so that they can't be accidently sold).
The only thing that sticks out about the breakdown given is for the band . I honestly don't think you would need to allow 3 seats per instrument . Why would you need 3 seats for a clarinet ,trumpet ,saxophone ,etc. The only people who need extra room is the tubas and drum line . I could see extra space for golden delight , they could get what ever they want from me, LOL . I'M NOT A BANDHEAD, but I've had to deal with this situation almost all of my professional life. When you average in the larger instruments (tubas and the like), it does average out to be about 3 seats per active band member. Taking care of FAMU's band seating was part of my responsibility while working in athletics there...and I had to kill 850 seats for them in places like the Orange Bowl and the Citrus Bowl stadiums. They were marching a little under 400 people at that time.
(Plus, my wife is a band director. That figure is about right.)
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Post by aggie2ru on Jan 8, 2016 21:19:54 GMT -5
The Rule of Thumb for seating a marching band is that they take up 3 seats per instrument. Let's say that your band is marching 300 people...that's 900 seats that you have to "kill" (lock up and let your auditors destroy so that they can't be accidently sold).
The only thing that sticks out about the breakdown given is for the band . I honestly don't think you would need to allow 3 seats per instrument . Why would you need 3 seats for a clarinet ,trumpet ,saxophone ,etc. The only people who need extra room is the tubas and drum line . I could see extra space for golden delight , they could get what ever they want from me, LOL . Well, well.........I guess I'm not the only one that would give it ALL to the Delites!!!! AGGIE PRIDE
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jan 9, 2016 11:55:51 GMT -5
Hey Aggies, let's just wait until Hilton makes his report on the final payout. We can speculate but it's all a guess. I've been around Dr. Martin's administration and I trust his ability to make good decisions. I expect our football program to be rewarded for their participation in the Celebration Bowl.
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Post by saabman on Feb 13, 2016 0:02:09 GMT -5
- The FCS conferences whose national playoffs have long set them apart in Division I want to go "bowling" as well. Those 10 conferences still embrace the playoffs, which have grown from four participants in 1978 to 24 beginning in 2013, but they also want to incorporate an idea of two conferences whose champions are not involved in the playoffs - the MEAC and SWAC. The champions of the two FCS conferences of historically black schools met in the inaugural Celebration Bowl this past December. The playoff conferences want their championship game, played in early January in Frisco, Texas, to be rebranded with the word "bowl" in the title as well. They believe the Celebration Bowl gained considerably by being marketed within the FBS bowl schedule. The FBS, the upper level of Division I, had 41 postseason games this past season, including the four-team playoff that began with the 2014 season. The Missouri Valley Football Conference, home to five-time reigning FCS champion North Dakota State, is a driving force behind the possible rebranding of the championship game. The NCAA and ESPN, which along with its partner networks televise the entire FCS playoffs and most of the FBS postseason, would have to approve a new name, an idea presented to them when FCS conference commissioners met in late January in Florida. The Big Sky, Big South, Colonial Athletic, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Pioneer, Southern and Southland conferences also participate in the playoffs, which is composed of 10 automatic qualifiers and 14 at-large selections. The MEAC and SWAC are eligible to have at-large qualifiers, although none gained bids in the first year of the Celebration Bowl, while the Ivy League is the only one of 13 FCS conferences not to participate in a postseason. "The public understands playoffs, so we benefit from that for the first rounds of the championship," said Patty Viverito, commissioner of both the MVFC and the Pioneer League. "But then when it comes time for the championship game, because it's in the mix of what is the bowl frenzy, it gets lost. So we think we can have the best of both worlds by having the playoffs leading up to the 'Football Championship Bowl' - however it is branded, but with the name 'bowl' so that we become part of the bowl lineup." Interest in the FCS playoffs has risen during North Dakota State's dynasty. The Bison's championship win over Jacksonville State on Jan. 9 averaged 1.35 million viewers during the ESPN2 broadcast, according to Sports TV Ratings. The Toyota Stadium crowd of 21,836 was the largest of the six finals that have been played in Frisco. Title sponsorship isn't a necessity with a rebranded championship, although the FCS conferences would consider it. The game between MEAC and SWAC champions, played in Atlanta, is officially the Air Force Reserve Celebration Bowl. "To be in the same space, if you will, as the FBS bowls was absolutely tremendous," MEAC commissioner Dr. Dennis Thomas said. "We were the first game on ABC to start the bowl season. It was branded that way, it was marketed that way, it was promoted that way." It's exactly the concept the other FCS conferences envision with a possible championship bowl. The FCS conferences whose national playoffs have long set them apart in Division I want to go "bowling" as well. DID I NOT TELL YOU THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN ! I have been telling folks that the other FCS programs have been watching the MEAC and SWAC from day one on this CB game Now they want in The MEAC/SWAC have opened the door and now it's up to our fan base to keep it open because if we do not the PWCU's FCS programs will come in and close us out by taking over and locking us out AS THEY HAVE ALWAY DONE !!!! Read more: meacfanszone.proboards.com/thread/30319/rest-trying-catch-meac-swac?page=1#ixzz401LWeSvo
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Post by bseballaggie on Feb 16, 2016 10:00:53 GMT -5
- The FCS conferences whose national playoffs have long set them apart in Division I want to go "bowling" as well. Those 10 conferences still embrace the playoffs, which have grown from four participants in 1978 to 24 beginning in 2013, but they also want to incorporate an idea of two conferences whose champions are not involved in the playoffs - the MEAC and SWAC. The champions of the two FCS conferences of historically black schools met in the inaugural Celebration Bowl this past December. The playoff conferences want their championship game, played in early January in Frisco, Texas, to be rebranded with the word "bowl" in the title as well. They believe the Celebration Bowl gained considerably by being marketed within the FBS bowl schedule. The FBS, the upper level of Division I, had 41 postseason games this past season, including the four-team playoff that began with the 2014 season. The Missouri Valley Football Conference, home to five-time reigning FCS champion North Dakota State, is a driving force behind the possible rebranding of the championship game. The NCAA and ESPN, which along with its partner networks televise the entire FCS playoffs and most of the FBS postseason, would have to approve a new name, an idea presented to them when FCS conference commissioners met in late January in Florida. The Big Sky, Big South, Colonial Athletic, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Pioneer, Southern and Southland conferences also participate in the playoffs, which is composed of 10 automatic qualifiers and 14 at-large selections. The MEAC and SWAC are eligible to have at-large qualifiers, although none gained bids in the first year of the Celebration Bowl, while the Ivy League is the only one of 13 FCS conferences not to participate in a postseason. "The public understands playoffs, so we benefit from that for the first rounds of the championship," said Patty Viverito, commissioner of both the MVFC and the Pioneer League. "But then when it comes time for the championship game, because it's in the mix of what is the bowl frenzy, it gets lost. So we think we can have the best of both worlds by having the playoffs leading up to the 'Football Championship Bowl' - however it is branded, but with the name 'bowl' so that we become part of the bowl lineup." Interest in the FCS playoffs has risen during North Dakota State's dynasty. The Bison's championship win over Jacksonville State on Jan. 9 averaged 1.35 million viewers during the ESPN2 broadcast, according to Sports TV Ratings. The Toyota Stadium crowd of 21,836 was the largest of the six finals that have been played in Frisco. Title sponsorship isn't a necessity with a rebranded championship, although the FCS conferences would consider it. The game between MEAC and SWAC champions, played in Atlanta, is officially the Air Force Reserve Celebration Bowl. "To be in the same space, if you will, as the FBS bowls was absolutely tremendous," MEAC commissioner Dr. Dennis Thomas said. "We were the first game on ABC to start the bowl season. It was branded that way, it was marketed that way, it was promoted that way." It's exactly the concept the other FCS conferences envision with a possible championship bowl. The FCS conferences whose national playoffs have long set them apart in Division I want to go "bowling" as well. DID I NOT TELL YOU THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN ! I have been telling folks that the other FCS programs have been watching the MEAC and SWAC from day one on this CB game Now they want in The MEAC/SWAC have opened the door and now it's up to our fan base to keep it open because if we do not the PWCU's FCS programs will come in and close us out by taking over and locking us out AS THEY HAVE ALWAY DONE !!!! Read more: meacfanszone.proboards.com/thread/30319/rest-trying-catch-meac-swac?page=1#ixzz401LWeSvo
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Post by bseballaggie on Feb 16, 2016 10:30:42 GMT -5
YES, They were watching(as usual), the FCS Nation, watched The HBCU Tribe of the family boldly hunt and find a bigger piece of meat, did we think they would let us keep it to ourselves. There's going to be a fight, (why would they allow The Tribe to be bigger than the The Nation). In some major Sports Media Circles they listed the Top 40 Bowl ratings winners, The Celebration Bowl did not make the top 40 yet, our ratings were >or= to 98% of those Bowls that were listed, the amazing thing was that our attendance was greater than some of them. "TABOO"
SUN TZU THE ART OF WAR..If greater than or equal to your enemy, fight, if not you politic or run.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Feb 16, 2016 11:32:22 GMT -5
Look out...here they come! We sat around arguing for months about the negative impact of the Celebration Bowl on HBCU football and most of us missed the biggest impact. The success of the first Celebration Bowl has awaken the PWI institution and they want a piece of the action. Well, they say they want "a piece" for now but we all know how this will end.
They will not be happy until they've locked up all the sponsors, TV coverage and NCAA sanctions for their new "Football Championship Bowl." And their new "Football Championship Bowl" will once again systematically leave HBCU's out in the cold. Somewhere down the road a bunch of us brothers will be sitting around reminiscing about the good old days when we had the Celebration Bowl to look forward to.
My granddad always told me..."You get more done if they don't see you coming!" Well they've seen us coming and now they are coming for us!
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Post by captaggie on Feb 16, 2016 12:16:24 GMT -5
IMO, as long as we consistently attend/support (40k+), the game will be fine. The test is when lower tier teams (small enrollment, less name recognition, etc) play year after year. If the numbers drop through a "minimum threshold", its gone.
A&T and Alcorn set the standard. Can that level of performance be sustained? That's what the commissioners need to press upon.
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