oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 27, 2015 13:48:38 GMT -5
Loser's bowl, quitter's bowl...WOW!!! I guess our fore-fathers & mothers that chose the Black Panthers and/or the Nation of Islam movement because, they didn't want to go the non-violent route were quitters too. While it was a good cause, some folk didn't find it practical in nature and chose a route to fight for their rights but, protecting themselves simultaneously. But anyway, that's off topic. If you are opposed to this game, that's fine, but to call it a quitter's and/or loser's bowl is just wrong. So, just because, you don't agree doesn't make it so. So, it sounds like the only one that quitting is you...oleschool. i'm not quitting anything. what have i quit? you have to start something in order to quit something and i've never been onboard with the "quitters bowl", so i haven't quit anything. i'll continue to support a&t as i've always done, but i won't support the quitters bowl. very poor analogy, ohsix. especially the black panthers thing, i see no connection there at all. nonetheless, you can't quit something that you've never started. so i'm not a "quitter"...
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Post by ohsixrain on Mar 27, 2015 14:10:56 GMT -5
The analogy was eluding to the movement of blacks in this country. There were millions of folk that were a part of this movement and they supported Martin L. King but, they didn't choose march along side MLK. They didn't quit on the movement because they couldn't be non-violent. They were still down for the cause. I hope that brings it into scope a little better. You guys don't know if this will hinder A&T's football program or help it...that's what's problematic. We have seen and have evidence what the playoffs can do for us...and when you are talking dollars & cents, it amounts to nothing. At best, you can have some degree of bragging rights...but, what else?? At a minimum, they have spelled out what the revenue sharing would be and the revenues to the winning schools. But, that isn't enough...we have these big school egos with little tin-ninny pockets. That's the problem.
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Post by Jesse Jackson's Side eye on Mar 27, 2015 18:37:10 GMT -5
Here's my take on it; Since we are "married" to this thing for the next 5-6 years we (Aggies) might as well win the conference outright or have a strong enough schedule to earn an at large bid to the playoffs. We go to the celebration bowl, I'll support the team, we go to the playoffs I'll cheer us on (hopefully inside Aggie stadium). Since this is our only options until we find a new conference...lets support A&T and run the MEAC for however long we are gonna be here.
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oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 28, 2015 11:59:10 GMT -5
ohsix, you don't see the bigger picture. as far as the playoffs go, revenue is not why i prefer the playoffs and never has been. revenue is a poor excuse for forfeiting our autobid because the revenue made from this bowl for member schools is "peanuts" compared to our athletics operating budgets. there's no big time payday coming out of this bowl. so let's not use that as an excuse.
nobody wants to admit it, but let's be real. the primary reason the meac pulled out of the playoffs is the same reason the swac pulled out. basically both conferences "quit" the playoffs because they're throwing in the towel out of frustration from not winning playoff games. admit it or not, that's the primary reason for pulling out of the playoffs. all this other stuff (revenue, exposure, etc.) is just window dressing. even the "maximum" payout from this bowl won't move the needle at schools like scsu.
ohsix, you're too focused on instant wins/losses and revenue. i'm more focused on our "brand" inside and outside of hbcu's. i see "zero" growth for our brand resulting from this quitters bowl. i don't see any expansion of our brand to untapped demographics from this bowl. all it does is further isolate us from the fcs landscape at large, give the perception that we're choosing to segregate ourselves and our brand from the mainstream. it also lowers the "competitive" bar for our coaches and players which will in turn lower the quality of football played in the meac over the long term. new demographics, diversifying, program quality, prestige, and market expansion have nothing to do with the quitters bowl and that's the problem...
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 29, 2015 9:07:18 GMT -5
ohsix, you don't see the bigger picture. as far as the playoffs go, revenue is not why i prefer the playoffs and never has been. revenue is a poor excuse for forfeiting our autobid because the revenue made from this bowl for member schools is "peanuts" compared to our athletics operating budgets. there's no big time payday coming out of this bowl. so let's not use that as an excuse. nobody wants to admit it, but let's be real. the primary reason the meac pulled out of the playoffs is the same reason the swac pulled out. basically both conferences "quit" the playoffs because they're throwing in the towel out of frustration from not winning playoff games. admit it or not, that's the primary reason for pulling out of the playoffs. all this other stuff (revenue, exposure, etc.) is just window dressing. even the "maximum" payout from this bowl won't move the needle at schools like scsu. ohsix, you're too focused on instant wins/losses and revenue. i'm more focused on our "brand" inside and outside of hbcu's. i see "zero" growth for our brand resulting from this quitters bowl. i don't see any expansion of our brand to untapped demographics from this bowl. all it does is further isolate us from the fcs landscape at large, give the perception that we're choosing to segregate ourselves and our brand from the mainstream. it also lowers the "competitive" bar for our coaches and players which will in turn lower the quality of football played in the meac over the long term. new demographics, diversifying, program quality, prestige, and market expansion have nothing to do with the quitters bowl and that's the problem... And this is what I have been saying for well over a year, now. WELL-SAID, OSA!
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Post by DECKS on Mar 29, 2015 11:05:38 GMT -5
Iron sharpens iron. The SWAC is a piece of wood. We don't need to tie ourselves to a conference worse than we are.
Do you all realize that if we were in the BSC almost every conference opponent would be within a 3 hour drive? The money we could save on travel costs!
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Post by saabman on Mar 29, 2015 12:52:34 GMT -5
ohsix, you don't see the bigger picture. as far as the playoffs go, revenue is not why i prefer the playoffs and never has been. revenue is a poor excuse for forfeiting our autobid because the revenue made from this bowl for member schools is "peanuts" compared to our athletics operating budgets. there's no big time payday coming out of this bowl. so let's not use that as an excuse. nobody wants to admit it, but let's be real. the primary reason the meac pulled out of the playoffs is the same reason the swac pulled out. basically both conferences "quit" the playoffs because they're throwing in the towel out of frustration from not winning playoff games. admit it or not, that's the primary reason for pulling out of the playoffs. all this other stuff (revenue, exposure, etc.) is just window dressing. even the "maximum" payout from this bowl won't move the needle at schools like scsu. ohsix, you're too focused on instant wins/losses and revenue. i'm more focused on our "brand" inside and outside of hbcu's. i see "zero" growth for our brand resulting from this quitters bowl. i don't see any expansion of our brand to untapped demographics from this bowl. all it does is further isolate us from the fcs landscape at large, give the perception that we're choosing to segregate ourselves and our brand from the mainstream. it also lowers the "competitive" bar for our coaches and players which will in turn lower the quality of football played in the meac over the long term. new demographics, diversifying, program quality, prestige, and market expansion have nothing to do with the quitters bowl and that's the problem... And this is what I have been saying for well over a year, now. WELL-SAID, OSA!This has nothing to do with the A&T Brand. Come on let's be real here! What I see as the problem is perception and what some feel that others may think about the university and conference. A&T's brand is strong and already solidified so this is not about brand. It's about being perceived as quitters in a football subdivision that we are lacking funding and the athletes to compete in. Yes I do agree that you have to play the best to beat the best but that should be done within your conference. Having to wait until the playoffs to meet the best is not saying much about the teams that you compete against in your conference. I feel that we are overlooking or not including what is important here. A&T and the MEAC will always be recognized as and HBCU whether we are apart of the MEAC or any conference that we become affiliated with. A&T is and will always be recognize for his scholarship and academic prowess. The Brand that holds true for A&T is not in it's athletics and it will always remain so.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Mar 29, 2015 12:59:42 GMT -5
Give it up saabman, you will never convince these guys to accept this change. They see it as a disaster to the University and nothing you can say will change their minds.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 29, 2015 20:26:45 GMT -5
They will come around. First things first is winning the conference. All these back and forth are pointless if we don't win the MEAC next year or at least 3 out of the 5 years of this bowl. Losing or coming in 2nd place negates EVERYONES argument. I think we can all agree on that.
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