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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 25, 2015 13:14:42 GMT -5
I've listed reasons earlier why I dont think the talent level in the MEAC will go down. Dont feel like scrolling back, but it was mostly about our own inflated egos of what the current product is and why football players actually come to the MEAC in the first place. You cant be coming to win a national championship. You cant be coming to get national exposure, you cant be coming because you want to compete against the best in college football nor the best in FCS. So what does this bowl game change about those 3 things? Nothing.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 25, 2015 13:27:54 GMT -5
did you not suggest that the “quitters bowl” should be pushed “like the ciaa tournament”? last i checked, the ciaa tournament pushes a bunch of parties, probably more so than the games. don’t folks “shake booties” at parties? and last i checked, don’t marching bands “high step”? haven’t ya’ll suggested both? i mean, don’t back off of your suggestions now... Bands are part of our football culture, do you expect them to be left at home for this game? Again, you always assume your in my head. Cant figure out why. My point was pushing like the CIAA basketball tournament itself, not the party crap(which I clearly said was the worse thing about the CIAA in the same post). You see what you want to see, not all the positive suggestions we made. Anyways....back to the discussion of supporting this thing.........This game needs A&T or a school with an already decent following from the MEAC in the worse way in its first year. Every little thing will help. Just like we are saying that this is our year, so is every other co-champ from last season. last i checked, “parades” are not a prominent part of our football culture. and as far as pushing the “quitters bowl” like the ciaa tournament does? well, 95% of the promotions that i saw for the ciaa tournament were for “parties”, not the games. so i suppose you’re only recommending that the “quitters bowl” push about 5% of what the ciaa pushes, correct? yeah, okay. that’s a brilliant idea! besides, you stated to push the “quitters bowl” like the ciaa tournament but expected in your own words, “people would actually go to the game, unlike the CIAA”. so basically you said to do what the ciaa does, but expect a different outcome. the only exception you made was that “day parties” should be scheduled around the actual game. man, don’t dance around your own words now. ain’t nothing wrong with “shakin’ booties and high steppin” if you want to re-enforce a bunch of hbcu stereotypes. and i actually do agree with you in one regard and that’s that it ain’t worth debating over. i’m done with this subject...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 25, 2015 13:34:18 GMT -5
Bands are part of our football culture, do you expect them to be left at home for this game? Again, you always assume your in my head. Cant figure out why. My point was pushing like the CIAA basketball tournament itself, not the party crap(which I clearly said was the worse thing about the CIAA in the same post). You see what you want to see, not all the positive suggestions we made. Anyways....back to the discussion of supporting this thing.........This game needs A&T or a school with an already decent following from the MEAC in the worse way in its first year. Every little thing will help. Just like we are saying that this is our year, so is every other co-champ from last season. last i checked, “parades” are not a prominent part of our football culture. and as far as pushing the “quitters bowl” like the ciaa tournament does? well, 95% of the promotions that i saw for the ciaa tournament were for “parties”, not the games. so i suppose you’re only recommending that the “quitters bowl” push about 5% of what the ciaa pushes, correct? yeah, okay. that’s a brilliant idea! besides, you stated to push the “quitters bowl” like the ciaa tournament but expected in your own words, “people would actually go to the game, unlike the CIAA”. so basically you said to do what the ciaa does, but expect a different outcome. the only exception you made was that “day parties” should be scheduled around the actual game. man, don’t dance around your own words now. ain’t nothing wrong with “shakin’ booties and high steppin” if you want to re-enforce a bunch of hbcu stereotypes. and i actually do agree with you in one regard and that’s that it ain’t worth debating over. i’m done with this subject... Man, did you just vote against a parade? Really? and for the record. I dont think I brought up parade. that was someone else. But its still a damn parade. What you got against a parade dawg? LOL I'm going to quote you now...remember this? I do read other boards......."nono2 look, don’t put words in my mouth. speak for yourself! don’t speak for me! ......................................................how ‘bout speaking for yourself for a change, i’m very capable of speaking for myself. thanks, but i don’t need your help... Roll Eyes" Man, you too easy.
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 25, 2015 13:47:24 GMT -5
Quality football is subjective. If you can be counted on to lose to a pwc that ends it season with a winning record a whopping 95% of the time or more, are you playing quality football in the first place? What's going to change about that? I saw Alcorn play a couple of times this year. Damn good sound football team. Amazingly, they play in the SWAC.
Besides, if you're not playing some good football at some point, you're not going to win the conference in the first place. If a team not playing quality football ends up in the bowl that simply means the teams that did play quality football didn't do their jobs when it counted, i.e., us this year.
While I get the arguments against the game, they're generally based in emotion and are easily refutable.
I think a parade would go over really big if pulled off right. Like the celebrated yearly Rose Bowl parade prior to the Rose Bowl football game. Shoot, a number of "mainstream" bowls have parades prior to the game. Every hbcu on earth has one prior to their homecoming, which is the biggest game of the year. This will be another opportunity to sell our product to an audience outside of alumni and friends, and also correct any ignorant preconcieved notions about what hbcus and hbcu athletics actually represent as opposed to stories about almost closing, losing to the local pwc, and staying in apr trouble.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 25, 2015 13:58:46 GMT -5
last i checked, “parades” are not a prominent part of our football culture. and as far as pushing the “quitters bowl” like the ciaa tournament does? well, 95% of the promotions that i saw for the ciaa tournament were for “parties”, not the games. so i suppose you’re only recommending that the “quitters bowl” push about 5% of what the ciaa pushes, correct? yeah, okay. that’s a brilliant idea! besides, you stated to push the “quitters bowl” like the ciaa tournament but expected in your own words, “people would actually go to the game, unlike the CIAA”. so basically you said to do what the ciaa does, but expect a different outcome. the only exception you made was that “day parties” should be scheduled around the actual game. man, don’t dance around your own words now. ain’t nothing wrong with “shakin’ booties and high steppin” if you want to re-enforce a bunch of hbcu stereotypes. and i actually do agree with you in one regard and that’s that it ain’t worth debating over. i’m done with this subject... Man, did you just vote against a parade? Really? and for the record. I dont think I brought up parade. that was someone else. But its still a damn parade. What you got against a parade dawg? LOL I'm going to quote you now...remember this? I do read other boards......."nono2 look, don’t put words in my mouth. speak for yourself! don’t speak for me! ......................................................how ‘bout speaking for yourself for a change, i’m very capable of speaking for myself. thanks, but i don’t need your help... Roll Eyes" Man, you too easy. look, as i previously clearly stated "ya'll" (as in more than one person), i'm referring to both you and dooms who you stated you "agreed" with. dude, ain't nobody putting words in your mouth. you can't remember what you yourself posted. and talk about putting words in someone's mouth? i'm not opposed to "parades", i'm not opposed to "high steppin", and i'm not opposed to "booty shakin". never said i was opposed to any of those things. however, i did say i'm opposed to the "quitters bowl", and i did say i'm opposed to forfeiting the meac's "autobid". now who's putting words in who's mouth?
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 25, 2015 14:21:55 GMT -5
Anyone who is TOTALLY against this game and have said they have no desire to attend should probably stay out of discussions on how to make it work better. It's very counter productive. Maybe we should start another thread about ideas of how to make it work and how best to support it Dooms?
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 25, 2015 14:25:46 GMT -5
What's the difference? Folks ain't got no self control and will just derail any new thread to re-voice their same opinions. Might as well let this one run...
Besides, in order for it to work, it'd have to win over a fair number of naysayers too. If you can win over the naysayers then getting the people who are on the fence about it or indifferent to it to come is a piece of cake.
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Post by ohsixrain on Mar 25, 2015 15:55:24 GMT -5
Sorry to tag in late fellas but, please explain the "quitters" bowl...quit what? The playoffs...? I dare say some of you would like to play a game of kick-ball with one leg tied behind your backs with the belief that ONE day you'd win. While you may be right that one day, you'd might win a playoff game...BUT, historical trends tell us the probability is very low. Now, that's not to say it isn't possible, HELL, Hampton HAD a chance against Kentucky. What a chance that was...why am I saying this, why not give it a chance to be successful before we begin to knock it? We have folk pulling out before it has gotten started, threatening to not attend...for what? You aren't getting your way...come on guys! That's the equivalent of taking your ball and going home because you didn't get picked up to play ball at the park. Geez!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 25, 2015 16:22:29 GMT -5
Sorry to tag in late fellas but, please explain the "quitters" bowl...quit what? The playoffs...? I dare say some of you would like to play a game of kick-ball with one leg tied behind your backs with the belief that ONE day you'd win. While you may be right that one day, you'd might win a playoff game...BUT, historical trends tell us the probability is very low. Now, that's not to say it isn't possible, HELL, Hampton HAD a chance against Kentucky. What a chance that was...why am I saying this, why not give it a chance to be successful before we begin to knock it? We have folk pulling out before it has gotten started, threatening to not attend...for what? You aren't getting your way...come on guys! That's the equivalent of taking your ball and going home because you didn't get picked up to play ball at the park. Geez! you’re right if folks believe what you typed. but what you typed is not why i’m against the “quitters bowl” and what you typed is not why i have no intention whatsoever to attend the “quitters bowl”, even if a&t plays in it. sorry, but as long as i have the right, i’m not gonna support anything that i’m totally opposed to. that’s akin to smiling in someone’s face when you know you hate their guts. i ain’t that kind of person, and i ain’t gone support an event that i totally oppose. that’s like asking the tea party to support “obamacare”! so it’s not akin to taking your ball and going home. instead, it’s akin to not supporting something that you “vehemently” oppose and i see nothing wrong with that. i'd rather lose a playoff game than win the "quitters bowl"...
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Post by saabman on Mar 25, 2015 16:40:54 GMT -5
who said that? i said that, that's who. i mean, ya'll think this "quitters bowl" is such a great idea, right? then why are you trying to think of ways of bending over backwards to "beg" folk to come to the game? shouldn't the game sell itself since its such a great idea? i guess not given that ya'll are proposing more of the same ole "stereotypical" hbcu stuff. yep, booty shakin' and high steppin' is a great way to improve the quality of hbcu football and the quality of the hbcu "brand". yep, it worked wonders for the swac over the last 15 years since they pulled out of the playoffs, didn't it? i mean, every year the swac leads the nation in fcs conference home stadium attendance, yet they're rated below the meac in football over the last 15 years. so ya'll think "success" for the quitters bowl is defined as having an impressive turnout of fans for the game? so to make it a "so called" success, we simply promote more booty shakin' and high steppin' except this time promote it on "steroids"? i mean, that's "success"? so are folk to believe that a bunch of booty shakin' and high steppin' is suppose to improve the hbcu "brand" and improve the quality of hbcu football? i'm sure it will entice non-hbcu followers to tune in. i mean, other non-hbcu fcs schools supposed to be "jealous" of the quitters bowl? really? gsu and su pack in 40k or more at the bayou classic, famu and bcu do the same at the florida classic. hbcu's across the country have well attended classics every year. yet, i have never in my entire born life seen nor heard a non-hbcu school as little as "hint" that they're jealous of those classics... OSA: Come on man don't let your emotions get the best of you about this game. You know as well as I do that the actions of the band is as much a part of black College football as the football team itself. As Monster has stated it is a part of the pageantry and culture of HBCU football and has know affect on the preception of the HBCU brand. I my opinion what does affect the black colleges and universities brand is when you have stabbings, shooting, and out right brawls at games and on campus. Now that is the stereotypical view that is tearing down the HBCU brand. Not the performance of the band or the football teams.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 25, 2015 17:14:06 GMT -5
who said that? i said that, that's who. i mean, ya'll think this "quitters bowl" is such a great idea, right? then why are you trying to think of ways of bending over backwards to "beg" folk to come to the game? shouldn't the game sell itself since its such a great idea? i guess not given that ya'll are proposing more of the same ole "stereotypical" hbcu stuff. yep, booty shakin' and high steppin' is a great way to improve the quality of hbcu football and the quality of the hbcu "brand". yep, it worked wonders for the swac over the last 15 years since they pulled out of the playoffs, didn't it? i mean, every year the swac leads the nation in fcs conference home stadium attendance, yet they're rated below the meac in football over the last 15 years. so ya'll think "success" for the quitters bowl is defined as having an impressive turnout of fans for the game? so to make it a "so called" success, we simply promote more booty shakin' and high steppin' except this time promote it on "steroids"? i mean, that's "success"? so are folk to believe that a bunch of booty shakin' and high steppin' is suppose to improve the hbcu "brand" and improve the quality of hbcu football? i'm sure it will entice non-hbcu followers to tune in. i mean, other non-hbcu fcs schools supposed to be "jealous" of the quitters bowl? really? gsu and su pack in 40k or more at the bayou classic, famu and bcu do the same at the florida classic. hbcu's across the country have well attended classics every year. yet, i have never in my entire born life seen nor heard a non-hbcu school as little as "hint" that they're jealous of those classics... OSA: Come on man don't let your emotions get the best of you about this game. You know as well as I do that the actions of the band is as much a part of black College football as the football team itself. As Monster has stated it is a part of the pageantry and culture of HBCU football and has know affect on the preception of the HBCU brand. I my opinion what does affect the black colleges and universities brand is when you have stabbings, shooting, and out right brawls at games and on campus. Now that is the stereotypical view that is tearing down the HBCU brand. Not the performance of the band or the football teams. saabman, this is not about my "emotions". instead, this is about my personal "principles". and again, i don't oppose "marching bands", never said i did. and i never said the "quitters bowl" doesn't affect the hbcu "brand". what i did say is that it "re-enforces" hbcu stereotypes and indeed it does. but again, that's not why i oppose the "quitters bowl". i've already explained why i oppose the "quitters bowl" probably a hundred times already, so i won't repeat it all over again. i'll just say "in principle", i “vehemently” oppose the "quitters bowl". i ain't trying to put lipstick on a pig, i simply oppose this game and what i believe it stands for. ya'll wanna have the "quitters bowl"? then fine, but give back the "autobid" and take the 2nd place team...
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Post by saabman on Mar 25, 2015 17:34:46 GMT -5
OSA: Come bowl gamen't let your emotions get the best of you about this game. You know as well as I do that the actions of the band is as much a part of black College football as the football team itself. As Monster has stated it is a part of the pageantry and culture of HBCU football and has know affect on the preception of the HBCU brand. I my opinion what does affect the black colleges and universities brand is when you have stabbings, shooting, and out right brawls at games and on campus. Now that is the stereotypical view that is tearing down the HBCU brand. Not the performance of the band or the football teams. saabman, this is not about my "emotions". instead, this is about my personal "principles". and again, i don't oppose "marching bands", never said i did. and i never said the "quitters bowl" doesn't affect the hbcu "brand". what i did say is that it "re-enforces" hbcu stereotypes and indeed it does. but again, that's not why i oppose the "quitters bowl". i've already explained why i oppose the "quitters bowl" probably a hundred times already, so i won't repeat it all over again. i'll just say "in principle", i “vehemently” oppose the "quitters bowl". i ain't trying to put lipstick on a pig, i simply oppose this game and what i believe it stands for. ya'll wanna have the "quitters bowl"? then fine, but give back the "autobid" and take the 2nd place team... I understand and respect your opinion about the game. But we have been dealt a hand that puts us in a situation that says we have to make this bowl game work. And we need all hands on dack to pull this off.
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 26, 2015 8:45:14 GMT -5
This is what I posted back on January 2, 2015 reflecting my discussions with several people in-the-know about this game:Jan 2 2015 at 12:53am (First of all, please note that THIS DEAL HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED!!) THUS FAR...AS OF JANUARY 1, 2015: What we know so far◾The participating MEAC team will receive $200,000 and keep all ticket revenue from tickets sold through their on-campus ticket office; ◾The participating SWAC team will receive $200,000 and keep all ticket revenue from tickets sold through their on-campus ticket office; ◾Each non-participating MEAC team, plus the conference office, will equally split $800,000; ◾Each non-participating SWAC team, plus the conference office, will equally split $800,000; ◾The MEAC will remain eligible for the FCS Playoffs but will not have an Automatic Qualifier and will be eligible for at-large berths; What we DON'T know so far◾Will the MEAC's $800,000 non-participant guarantee include any shares to UMES and Coppin State? (This is really a conference issue.) ◾ESPN will "cover travel costs," but what does that include? Transportation only? Transportation and hotel? Transportation, hotel and meals? ◾How long is ESPN's commitment to this game? ◾Can the MEAC and SWAC directly broker in any sponsorship deals and share that revenue amongst the schools? (Essence, Johnson Publishing, TVOne, Ford, Honda, American Airlines, Nike Jordan Brand, etc.) ◾What is the name of this Bowl, the date of the game and the venue where it will be played? (Lastly, please note that THIS DEAL HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED!!) OK...exactly how much of this has been cleared up for us with their press conference?? Sure...we've gotten a few answers, but not a lot of answers. And the press releases and secrecy actually create more questions to be answered:Jan 2 2015 at 12:53am THUS FAR...AS OF JANUARY 1, 2015: What we know so far◾The participating MEAC team will receive $200,000 and keep all ticket revenue from tickets sold through their on-campus ticket office; (We don't know for sure.)◾The participating SWAC team will receive $200,000 and keep all ticket revenue from tickets sold through their on-campus ticket office; (We don't know for sure.)◾Each non-participating MEAC team, plus the conference office, will equally split $800,000; (We don't know for sure.)◾Each non-participating SWAC team, plus the conference office, will equally split $800,000; (We don't know for sure.)◾The MEAC will remain eligible for the FCS Playoffs but will not have an Automatic Qualifier and will be eligible for at-large berths; TRUEWhat we DON'T know so far◾Will the MEAC's $800,000 non-participant guarantee include any shares to UMES and Coppin State? (This is really a conference issue.) We still don't know. ◾ESPN will "cover travel costs," but what does that include? Transportation only? Transportation and hotel? Transportation, hotel and meals? We still don't know. ◾How long is ESPN's commitment to this game? Six (6) years◾Can the MEAC and SWAC directly broker in any sponsorship deals and share that revenue amongst the schools? (Essence, Johnson Publishing, TVOne, Ford, Honda, American Airlines, Nike Jordan Brand, etc.) We still don't know. ◾What is the name of this Bowl, the date of the game and the venue where it will be played? Celebration Bowl in Atlanta's GeorgiaDome on December 19, 2015Can anyone clear up some of these unanswered questions...or add questions of their own??
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Post by aggie62 on Mar 26, 2015 13:38:49 GMT -5
Aggierattler, that's a very informative post, thanks a lot.
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 26, 2015 13:45:13 GMT -5
Aggierattler, that's a very informative post, thanks a lot. Thanks! Pro-game or anti-game, I just want all of us to be truthfully informed. That's why I'm still searching for honest and transparent answers.
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