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Post by marchingband1969 on Feb 17, 2015 16:15:11 GMT -5
Okay I'll play along. So we end up 9 and 1, get invited to another FCS playoff game and (wishful thinking) just barely lose. We are where we've been in past years...sitting at home with expense money in our pockets and an "L" for that game. Oh we may be able to brag to our white friends that we almost beat Youngtown or came close against Towson State. But bottom line all we will have will be some travel expense money and another darn "L."
Now if you're telling me that our team will be significantly better than we've ever been and we will win the FCS playoff then let's put our bid in now to host the games. But remember, the only way to make any real money from the FCS playoff is to host and win more than one game. And to get that much better will take a lot more funds than we've spent in the past.
We can go back and forth all day on FCS vs. Non-FCS but here's one thing that I look at...our fans, the everyday A&T football fans (the casual fans we need to get back excited about A&T football and buy more tickets) could care less about playing in the FCS playoff. To most of them, our season ends with the NCCU game. If we win Homecoming and beat NCCU, a lot of our fans are happy. It's us "real" football fans that want to beat the entire college football world. Oh our fans may think it's "nice" to beat some PWI in Po-dunk Idaho but honestly they really don't give a flip. If we are going to grow A&T football we have got to get those casual fans re-engaged. Playing Youngtown State in a snowstorm in December isn't going to make that happen. I'm not sure playing a SWAC team in domed arena in December will fare any better but it's worth the try. We've tried the FCS playoff and we know where that's gotten us.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Feb 17, 2015 16:48:14 GMT -5
I see your point 1969 but I think your statement "we have tried the FCS play-off and see were that got us" is misguided. We were in the FCS playoffs like 20 years ago...LOL And on top that we have only had a real football team the past two years. And I do beleive 9-1 is possible; Martin & Hilton have to decide who they want us to be...
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Post by DECKS on Feb 17, 2015 17:28:37 GMT -5
Questioning bowl finances Re-examine money-losing trips by schools and tax exemptions for eventsUpdated: January 7, 2013, 11:28 AM ET By Shaun Assael | ESPN.com By the time the dust settles on tonight's matchup between Alabama and Notre Dame, 35 bowl games will have been played and, if the past is a guide, just about every team in them will have lost money. We're told that this is money well spent. A bargain, really, when you think about all the free publicity schools get, the spikes in alumni donations and the once-in-a-lifetime memories players take home. Considering the fact that athletic departments squander millions in guaranteed salaries when they cut losing coaches, you could make the case that spending a couple of hundred grand is a cheap way to drape yourself in postseason glory. But it's exactly that kind of upside-down thinking that has allowed college football's postseason to become a runaway example of corporate welfare and tax abuse. A terrific story in USA Today last month by Brent Schrotenboer underscored the issue by noting that the average bowl CEO now makes $438,000 for putting on a single game a year. That's double the salaries paid by the 15 oldest bowls a decade ago. What's pernicious about this is that the bowls function inside a bubble. Athletic directors get bonuses for sending their teams to bowls that require the schools to buy huge blocks of tickets as a way of subsidizing them. Those subsidies are then used to pay for wining and dining the athletic directors, who in turn convince their college presidents to foot the bill so they can earn their bonuses. Schrotenboer studied all 70 postseason reports that bowl teams filed with the NCAA after the 2010-11 season and found the average team lost $169,226, mostly from tickets it couldn't unload.And things look like they're going to be much worse this year. Florida reportedly sold only 7,000 of the 17,500 tickets it had to buy for the Sugar Bowl, which meant 10,000 fans were spared having to see the Gators get routed 33-23 by Louisville, which managed to sell 15,000 seats. The Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl drew more fans than the Sugar Bowl. The crowd for the (TaxSlayer.com) Gator Bowl, meanwhile, was the second smallest since 1960. And the Capital One Bowl's announced crowd of 59,712 for Georgia-Nebraska was its fourth lowest in the past 24 years. When you bring this up to people inside the bubble, they tell you there's still plenty of money to go around. The Pac-12, according to the Los Angeles Times, stands to net about $31.2 million for placing Stanford in the Rose Bowl and Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl. Since conferences give each member a share, non-playing teams make a tidy profit.Read more: espn.go.com/college-football/bowls12/story/_/id/8820569/time-bowls-do-more-their-own
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Post by DECKS on Feb 17, 2015 17:35:45 GMT -5
Do The Economics Of Bowl Games Make Sense For Schools, Sponsors?It’s January 1st, and thus, we have the obligatory onslaught of college football bowl games. Six to be exact. Among them, the TaxSlayer.com Gator Bowl, the Heart of Dallas Bowl, the Capital One Bowl, the Outback Bowl, the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, and last but not least, the granddaddy of them all…The Rose Bowl presented by Vizio. Throughout the last week, folks from Bloomberg, CNBC, and Aljazeera America have asked me three general questions: 1) Why so many bowl games? 2) Do schools really benefit? 3) Do corporations that splash their names on these games really benefit? As to the first question, there are 35 bowl games. That’s a lot of clutter, and of course only one game during the BCS era really has had any significance in settling the national championship. But the reason for all these games is quite simple. Someone is able to make enough money to justify producing and operating the game. That somebody could be one or two executives that run the event (i.e. who do all the marketing, media, sponsorships, etc), or it could be a network like ESPN that runs/operates several of the games so that they can have programming content during the holidays. Sure, the Gildan New Mexico Bowl may not sound sexy…but it still gets ratings because people like to gamble and/or people get bored and/or people need an escape from their families during tense holiday reunions. Bowl game execs earn between $200 K to $1 million for running a single game annually. And if you get local special interest groups to support your endeavor if they believe tourism will be boosted, yet another justification for bringing a game to town. Of course, you have to raise sponsor dollars, and you have to get participating schools to commit to buying a certain number of tickets. Without these, the game may not survive…unless subsidized by a media outlet or local special interest group for tourism purposes. As to the second question, how much a school benefits depends upon which type of benefits you are talking about. Financially, most bowl game payouts range between $400 K and $1 million, with a few non-BCS yet marquee games (Cotton, Chick-Fil-A) paying $3-4 million to participating conferences, and then of course $18 million for the BCS games and $22 million per participating conference for the championship game. But it is well documented (here is but one source) that each year at least 10 and perhaps as many as 20 schools lose money after subtracting travel expenses and mandatory ticket purchases. Plus they only receive a share of the total bowl payout since the payout goes to the conference.Read more www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2014/01/01/do-the-economics-of-bowl-games-make-sense-for-schools-sponsors/Rather, these games can serve as great marketing tools for the programs and the universities at large. In the case of Michigan State in today’s Rose Bowl, this is great exposure for a program that has not been in a Rose Bowl since 1988. It will certainly impress potential recruits, and it serves as a great marketing platform for the institution.
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Post by aggierattler on Feb 17, 2015 18:14:38 GMT -5
Neither bowl games nor the playoffs are about making money on any level.
If we end up giving up our automatic bid and getting involved with this bowl game, we had better pray that we never, ever play in the bowl game if making money is our goal.
The only way to make money in this bowl game scenario is to not be a participant.
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Post by ohsixrain on Feb 17, 2015 18:54:39 GMT -5
Neither bowl games nor the playoffs are about making money on any level. If we end up giving up our automatic bid and getting involved with this bowl game, we had better pray that we never, ever play in the bowl game if making money is our goal. The only way to make money in this bowl game scenario is to not be a participant. How...? Please explain. And how would we guarantee making money going to one round of playoffs?
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Post by marchingband1969 on Feb 17, 2015 18:58:59 GMT -5
This whole page focuses on money...or more specifically, the lack of money in post season college football. I do agree with aggierattler that "neither bowl or the playoffs are about making money." So if it's not about money, how do we decide where to send our team? To be honest with you, I'd rather play on TV in front of a half empty dome stadium of our actual college fans than in Po-dunk Idaho in front of two car loads of our fans. Maybe if we are lucky, the MEAC/SWAC bowl may actually have some future HBCU students attend. Now I know that there's a possibility some of those students in the stands at the FCS playoff may decide to attend an HBCU...but I doubt it.
Here's my pledge...if we decide to stay in the FCS playoff, I'll do all I can to help make it a success. I just hope that if we go to the MEAC/SWAC Bowl that you guys will do all that you can to help make it a success.
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Post by aggierattler on Feb 17, 2015 19:13:04 GMT -5
This whole page focuses on money...or more specifically, the lack of money in post season college football. I do agree with aggierattler that "neither bowl or the playoffs are about making money." So if it's not about money, how do we decide where to send our team? To be honest with you, I'd rather play on TV in front of a half empty dome stadium of our actual college fans than in Po-dunk Idaho in front of two car loads of our fans. Maybe if we are lucky, the MEAC/SWAC bowl may actually have some future HBCU students attend. Now I know that there's a possibility some of those students in the stands at the FCS playoff may decide to attend an HBCU...but I doubt it. Here's my pledge...if we decide to stay in the FCS playoff, I'll do all I can to help make it a success. I just hope that if we go to the MEAC/SWAC Bowl that you guys will do all that you can to help make it a success. I'll match that pledge! (Check your PM in-box.)
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Post by DECKS on Feb 17, 2015 19:37:49 GMT -5
Neither bowl games nor the playoffs are about making money on any level. If we end up giving up our automatic bid and getting involved with this bowl game, we had better pray that we never, ever play in the bowl game if making money is our goal. The only way to make money in this bowl game scenario is to not be a participant. That's the irony! The only sure way to make money is to sit at home. If this proposed bowl requires each participating team to sell 7500 tickets then we'd be screwed. Also teams must use the bowl game travel and hotel sponsors which would probably eliminate cut rate deals with two star hotels and low budget airlines. MEAC teams that sit at home will at least get a $15k cut. That might be more than the participating teams will net? Sent from my SM-T217S using proboards
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Post by The Professor on Feb 17, 2015 21:22:11 GMT -5
Okay I'll play along. So we end up 9 and 1, get invited to another FCS playoff game and (wishful thinking) just barely lose. We are where we've been in past years...sitting at home with expense money in our pockets and an "L" for that game. Oh we may be able to brag to our white friends that we almost beat Youngtown or came close against Towson State. But bottom line all we will have will be some travel expense money and another darn "L." Now if you're telling me that our team will be significantly better than we've ever been and we will win the FCS playoff then let's put our bid in now to host the games. But remember, the only way to make any real money from the FCS playoff is to host and win more than one game. And to get that much better will take a lot more funds than we've spent in the past. We can go back and forth all day on FCS vs. Non-FCS but here's one thing that I look at...our fans, the everyday A&T football fans (the casual fans we need to get back excited about A&T football and buy more tickets) could care less about playing in the FCS playoff. To most of them, our season ends with the NCCU game. If we win Homecoming and beat NCCU, a lot of our fans are happy. It's us "real" football fans that want to beat the entire college football world. Oh our fans may think it's "nice" to beat some PWI in Po-dunk Idaho but honestly they really don't give a flip. If we are going to grow A&T football we have got to get those casual fans re-engaged. Playing Youngtown State in a snowstorm in December isn't going to make that happen. I'm not sure playing a SWAC team in domed arena in December will fare any better but it's worth the try. We've tried the FCS playoff and we know where that's gotten us. I guess you don't remember we have tried this before to. You remember the Heritage Bowl and before that the Pelican Bowl. This is the same exact thing. The definition of insanity comes to mind - Doing the exact same thing and expecting different results.
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Post by Aggie77 on Feb 17, 2015 21:35:47 GMT -5
What is the financial split between the participating school (conference champ), remaining schools, and MEAC HQ?
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Post by saabman on Feb 17, 2015 21:38:24 GMT -5
Neither bowl games nor the playoffs are about making money on any level. If we end up giving up our automatic bid and getting involved with this bowl game, we had better pray that we never, ever play in the bowl game if making money is our goal. The only way to make money in this bowl game scenario is to not be a participant. That's the irony! The only sure way to make money is to sit at home. If this proposed bowl requires each participating team to sell 7500 tickets then we'd be screwed. Also teams must use the bowl game travel and hotel sponsors which would probably eliminate cut rate deals with two star hotels and low budget airlines. MEAC teams that sit at home will at least get a $15k cut. That might be more than the participating teams will net? Sent from my SM-T217S using proboards This look's like a Mexican stand off. Lol Play in the playoff and lose money and hope and I do say hope we win a game or go to a bowl game and make a little money and have the chance of a win. The only way I can see this bowl failing is we let it fail and from what I'm reading some already have written it off. Which is just shameful in all aspects.
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Post by DECKS on Feb 18, 2015 1:07:21 GMT -5
What is the financial split between the participating school (conference champ), remaining schools, and MEAC HQ? Nothing has been released so everything is just speculation and conjecture at this point. This seems to be the range of the conversation: $1,000,000 total payout Conference champ = $250 - 300k conference football playing members = $15 - 20k MEAC HQ = $500 - 600k *Travel and expenses would come from the conference champions payout. There would also be a required ticket allotment for the participating teams.
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Post by saabman on Feb 18, 2015 1:16:12 GMT -5
What is the financial split between the participating school (conference champ), remaining schoiols, and MEAC HQ? Nothing has been released so everything is just speculation and conjecture at this point. This seems to be the range of the conversation: $1,000,000 total payout Conference champ = $250 - 300k conference football playing members = $15 - 20k MEAC HQ = $500 - 600k *Travel and expenses would come from the conference champions payout. There would also be a required ticket allotment for the participating teams. Shouldn't the travel some of the other expenses be paid by the conference not the champion schools.
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Post by DECKS on Feb 18, 2015 1:38:24 GMT -5
Nothing has been released so everything is just speculation and conjecture at this point. This seems to be the range of the conversation: $1,000,000 total payout Conference champ = $250 - 300k conference football playing members = $15 - 20k MEAC HQ = $500 - 600k *Travel and expenses would come from the conference champions payout. There would also be a required ticket allotment for the participating teams. Shouldn't the travel some of the other expenses be paid by the conference not the champion schools. Nope. Expenses generally comes from the participants share. Just go back and look at the articles I posted. This is why so many schools don't make anything on bowl games. How much does it cost to move, house and feed the football team, coaches, marching band, cheerleaders and administrators?
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