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Post by DOOMS on Apr 25, 2016 12:18:47 GMT -5
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Apr 25, 2016 12:44:47 GMT -5
I guess it got "too ghetto" at UNCG when the fight at their campus party broke out a few weeks ago..... I guess it got "too ghetto" at UNC when many black student athletes used the African-American major to scam their way through college.....
If you don't want to go to A&T or any other HBCU.....fine. But leave the "too ghetto" talk out of the equation. We got brothas/sistas out here who are "too white" (ie. disillusioned) for their own good.
As far as Charlotte is concerned......they are now FBS in football. We honestly shouldn't be on the same level as they are. I guarantee you if you went from Charlotte's facilities to UNC's or NC State's or ECU's facilities, they would have the same gripes about having a paltry program compared to the big state schools.
I keep telling folks you can't always have the biggest car, biggest house, biggest bankroll, etc. I don't believe in counting other people's money. There's simply no way we're going to be Charlotte.....
....but guess what? Despite all the amenities they have, WE WOULD HAVE BEATEN THEIR ASSES IN FOOTBALL LAST YEAR, DESPITE THE BROWN GRASS OUR TEAM PRACTICES AND PLAYS ON AND DESPITE THE ALUMINUM SEATS OUR FANS SIT ON AT AGGIE STADIUM!!!!
.....and here we are talking about Hassan Klugh at FBS Charlotte and the dude clearly wasn't the best QB on our FCS/MEAC roster.
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 25, 2016 13:24:12 GMT -5
I'm of the thought process that it has to be more than just optics/facilities to get me to come to an institution. What "WE" have done with our HBCU's is devalue the tradition and heritage that basically set the HBCU apart from the PWC(I). That's our fault collectively. One of the things that I was proud of while in school was the fact, when you went to visit the female dorms you could not slouch/lie down on the couches while waiting for the person you were visiting to come downstairs. That isn't much but, when I would visit UNC-G, Duke, UNC or NC State there was no such requirement. Their student could do as they pleased in their dorm lobby. Thus, I'm saying we didn't have a whole helluva lot but, what we did have we took pride in having it...even if it wasn't the biggest/fastest/prettiest or most expensive. I think that's where our children are getting lost in the sauce. We haven't explained to them that a degree from A&T is NOT inferior to one from UNC or State. We were taught not to leave with the inferiority complex and ultimately when we talk about the bigger schools having bigger and better is an inferiority issue in my mind.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 25, 2016 13:28:10 GMT -5
Man we are touching on alot subjects on this thread.
Kinda living some of it..... my son who is a dean list student at UL Lafayette is leaving after this semester (sophomore year) and transferring to Texas Southern.
He knew he wanted out of Lafayette not so much because of the school but the small / medium size town environment as well as the rural southern Louisiana culture vs. suburban N. Texas (Frisco) were he went to middle school & high school. He narrowed his transfer list down to TSU & UT San Antonio. He ultimately chose TSU (also got $3,000 a year transfer scholly) ; but his decision had more to do with living in downtown Houston as it did between the two schools.
Its also an interesting dynamic between TSU and University Houston. They are literally beside each other (less than a mile). The student apartment that I am leasing is across the street from Univ. Houston and a mile from TSU and they house kids from both schools. So I post this to show it can be a complicated decision and not always appear as it seems.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Apr 25, 2016 16:12:48 GMT -5
I didn't realize that A&T's uniforms, as well as other HBCUs was of a different quality. I don't think that will fly, having seen equipment from other schools. What's different is they have the resources to purchase more of them than their HBCU counterparts. Too black is silly. That's like white students saying we're too white. Of course, most of them would prefer that. However, go where you are most comfortable. HBCU's have educated our best and brightest for years. Most of our greatest leaders attended these universities and colleges. People are entitled to make choices that they feel fit their needs, but they don't have the right to denigrate HBCUs. And they should be called on that whenever they do.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 25, 2016 19:48:28 GMT -5
I didn't realize that A&T's uniforms, as well as other HBCUs was of a different quality. Trust me, they are. Why do you think everyone wants to get out of the MEAC Russell deal?
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Post by Maxell on Apr 25, 2016 19:50:23 GMT -5
I'm of the thought process that it has to be more than just optics/facilities to get me to come to an institution. You are not a 17 year old high school star athlete in 2016.
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 25, 2016 20:13:21 GMT -5
But what are we really saying because we can talk upgrading facilities all we want but, we won't match the average pwc in our lifetime. So our message should be more like: yeah UNC, NC State and ECU are the Jaguars and we are a Toyota BUT,if we change the oil on the regular our Toyota will run just as good and long. We cannot dispute the obvious, sure they have state of the art facilities but, we offer more than just facilities. Otherwise, what other alternatives do we have.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 25, 2016 20:18:57 GMT -5
I guess it got "too ghetto" at UNCG when the fight at their campus party broke out a few weeks ago..... I guess it got "too ghetto" at UNC when many black student athletes used the African-American major to scam their way through college..... If you don't want to go to A&T or any other HBCU.....fine. But leave the "too ghetto" talk out of the equation. We got brothas/sistas out here who are "too white" (ie. disillusioned) for their own good. As far as Charlotte is concerned......they are now FBS in football. We honestly shouldn't be on the same level as they are. I guarantee you if you went from Charlotte's facilities to UNC's or NC State's or ECU's facilities, they would have the same gripes about having a paltry program compared to the big state schools. I keep telling folks you can't always have the biggest car, biggest house, biggest bankroll, etc. I don't believe in counting other people's money. There's simply no way we're going to be Charlotte..... ....but guess what? Despite all the amenities they have, WE WOULD HAVE BEATEN THEIR ASSES IN FOOTBALL LAST YEAR, DESPITE THE BROWN GRASS OUR TEAM PRACTICES AND PLAYS ON AND DESPITE THE ALUMINUM SEATS OUR FANS SIT ON AT AGGIE STADIUM!!!! .....and here we are talking about Hassan Klugh at FBS Charlotte and the dude clearly wasn't the best QB on our FCS/MEAC roster. We're talking about why kids don't choose us not whether or not the on the field product is comparable. Don't get the two things confused. That's all. I'm an Aggie through and through but reality is reality. Charlotte is still an upstart FBS program and trust me our program is worthy of competing for some of the same recruits for the next few years. So, to me, you have to AT LEAST have the optics to attract the best athletes that you can. Our front porch has to look like it's worth seeing what's inside of the house because some of these kids might be surprised at what they find in Aggieland. But if they never look, they'll never know. We're past the point of comparing ourselves to other HBCUs only. From an enrollment standpoint, we are the largest HBCU in the country. If you don't see that as a point of pride and can't understand why we need to set high goals then we'll always be an afterthought in the minds of North Carolina kids. It's like someone said earlier, we didn't know we were poor growing up but when we found out, we had a greater respect for our parents and we knew that there were many more possibilities for our lives. There are many more possibilities for Aggie Athletics!
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Post by saabman on Apr 25, 2016 21:18:24 GMT -5
As I stated before I agree on the "Optics " Maxell . But what I should have said is I agree to a point ! Campus life and Diversity and Accessibility to different people and lifestyles, size of the city and the out side community , their is a hold host of things that student athletes look for on a campus out side of the color "Optics" of a grass field ! It's not just one thing it's a package that has to be sold to the young recruit or any student . But this "Too Black " thing I just have trouble with because as someone that has been a recruiter most of my Adult life, I just have trouble with that statment because I have never heard that statement come out of a recruits mouth, Now Ghetto in referring to the yard and over all campus appearance, yes this has been said by some of the kids after returning from a visit but they where not about the HBCU schools and programs ! Most of the recruits enjoyed there visits to HBCU programs with the only Real compliant being ,There Rural locations ! But being "Too Black" was never one of them ! And I have been in this game for over 40 years...lol
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Post by saabman on Apr 25, 2016 21:23:27 GMT -5
I guess it got "too ghetto" at UNCG when the fight at their campus party broke out a few weeks ago..... I guess it got "too ghetto" at UNC when many black student athletes used the African-American major to scam their way through college..... If you don't want to go to A&T or any other HBCU.....fine. But leave the "too ghetto" talk out of the equation. We got brothas/sistas out here who are "too white" (ie. disillusioned) for their own good. As far as Charlotte is concerned......they are now FBS in football. We honestly shouldn't be on the same level as they are. I guarantee you if you went from Charlotte's facilities to UNC's or NC State's or ECU's facilities, they would have the same gripes about having a paltry program compared to the big state schools. I keep telling folks you can't always have the biggest car, biggest house, biggest bankroll, etc. I don't believe in counting other people's money. There's simply no way we're going to be Charlotte..... ....but guess what? Despite all the amenities they have, WE WOULD HAVE BEATEN THEIR ASSES IN FOOTBALL LAST YEAR, DESPITE THE BROWN GRASS OUR TEAM PRACTICES AND PLAYS ON AND DESPITE THE ALUMINUM SEATS OUR FANS SIT ON AT AGGIE STADIUM!!!! .....and here we are talking about Hassan Klugh at FBS Charlotte and the dude clearly wasn't the best QB on our FCS/MEAC roster. Amen
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Post by Maxell on Apr 26, 2016 0:06:17 GMT -5
As I stated before I agree on the "Optics " Maxell . But what I should have said is I agree to a point ! Campus life and Diversity and Accessibility to different people and lifestyles, size of the city and the out side community , their is a hold host of things that student athletes look for on a campus out side of the color "Optics" of a grass field ! It's not just one thing it's a package that has to be sold to the young recruit or any student . But this "Too Black " thing I just have trouble with because as someone that has been a recruiter most of my Adult life, I just have trouble with that statment because I have never heard that statement come out of a recruits mouth, Now Ghetto in referring to the yard and over all campus appearance, yes this has been said by some of the kids after returning from a visit but they where not about the HBCU schools and programs ! Most of the recruits enjoyed there visits to HBCU programs with the only Real compliant being ,There Rural locations ! But being "Too Black" was never one of them ! And I have been in this game for over 40 years...lol Some things you'll never hear out loud. What I said was that MY OWN SON said it specifically about Homecoming, when considering whether to come to A&T with his brother. We have lived in so-called white suburbs for most of his life so seeing 40,000 black folk together at one time was culture shock for him although he had been to campus before but not at Homecoming. Both of them were usually the only Black males in most of their classes and the most Black kids they saw together was at football and basketball practice, or at church. The fact is that 90% of Black athletes don't go to HBCUs and all I'm saying is sometimes it's just because they don't want to. Truth be told, sometimes they don't need to, as much as we would like them to. Have you ever been at a business conference or gathering where you are the only Black face? Then, finally you see another brother walking in the hallway walking towards you. As you pass, you give him the "up head bob" and he gives you the "down head bob" in return. At that moment, you go, "What did he just do?" Not everybody Black person embraces Black culture. Some only do it when it is convenient or politically correct to do so, and some not at all. Those same Black folk are teachers, parents, and coaches that influence kids' choices every year.
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Post by saabman on Apr 26, 2016 4:44:25 GMT -5
[ quote author="Maxell" source="/post/175698/thread" timestamp="1461647177"]As I stated before I agree on the "Optics " Maxell . But what I should have said is I agree to a point ! Campus life and Diversity and Accessibility to different people and lifestyles, size of the city and the out side community , their is a hold host of things that student athletes look for on a campus out side of the color "Optics" of a grass field ! It's not just one thing it's a package that has to be sold to the young recruit or any student . But this "Too Black " thing I just have trouble with because as someone that has been a recruiter most of my Adult life, I just have trouble with that statment because I have never heard that statement come out of a recruits mouth, Now Ghetto in referring to the yard and over all campus appearance, yes this has been said by some of the kids after returning from a visit but they where not about the HBCU schools and programs ! Most of the recruits enjoyed there visits to HBCU programs with the only Real compliant being ,There Rural locations ! But being "Too Black" was never one of them ! And I have been in this game for over 40 years...lol Some things you'll never hear out loud.
What I said was that MY OWN SON said it specifically about Homecoming, when considering whether to come to A&T with his brother. We have lived in so-called white suburbs for most of his life so seeing 40,000 black folk together at one time was culture shock for him although he had been to campus before but not at Homecoming. Both of them were usually the only Black males in most of their classes and the most Black kids they saw together was at football and basketball practice, or at church. The fact is that 90% of Black athletes don't go to HBCUs and all I'm saying is sometimes it's just because they don't want to. Truth be told, sometimes they don't need to, as much as we would like them to.
Have you ever been at a business conference or gathering where you are the only Black face? Then, finally you see another brother walking in the hallway walking towards you. As you pass, you give him the "up head bob" and he gives you the "down head bob" in return. At that moment, you go, "What did he just do?" Not everybody Black person embraces Black culture. Some only do it when it is convenient or politically correct to do so, and some not at all. Those same Black folk are teachers, parents, and coaches that influence kids' choices every year. [/quote][/font] Maxell I'm having trouble feeling this man !! I lived in Germany for 10 years, my son attend German schools from the 1st - 8th grade where he was the only black kid at his school, and the community that we lived in had only a few Black families at best. The reason for this was because the Team paid for every thing from Housing to my Transportation! And yes I have been the only black face in the room a number of time, Yes I have seen other Black faces that I have went out of the way to speck to only to be snubbed ,but that was only here in the states .. lol But what I'm trying to understand is, Look I deal with white kids from parts of Texas that have never seen a black are had any interactions with Black persons (especially from the West Texas areas) But here is a Black man trying to recruit them to play college Football or run track ) Never had a problem about color or how many Blacks or on the team, it's all about the school and what it has to offer! And I do agree with you that HBCU's or not right fit for everyone ! I can use myself as and example, it was not the school but it was just not the right Fit or HBCU for me!! But this "Too Black" thing I find it troubling and has nothing to do with Embracing Black Culture, because first you have to embrace yourself before you can embrace any type of Culture ! I keep asking myself why that comment just doesn't sound right to me Some only do it when it is convenient or politically correct to do so, and some not at all. Those same Black folk are teachers, parents, and coaches that influence kids' choices every year. And yes that is so true
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 26, 2016 6:32:17 GMT -5
I understand it. I grew up in lily white suburbs that were 50-50 Black by the time I graduated from high school. My experience led me to have a desire to go to an hbcu. It led some of my buddies to want to go to pwcs.
As far as the original subject of this thread, it's possible that he found the A&T experience "too black" for his personal taste while his brother thrived in the exact same circumstance.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Apr 26, 2016 6:59:09 GMT -5
I guess it got "too ghetto" at UNCG when the fight at their campus party broke out a few weeks ago..... I guess it got "too ghetto" at UNC when many black student athletes used the African-American major to scam their way through college..... If you don't want to go to A&T or any other HBCU.....fine. But leave the "too ghetto" talk out of the equation. We got brothas/sistas out here who are "too white" (ie. disillusioned) for their own good. As far as Charlotte is concerned......they are now FBS in football. We honestly shouldn't be on the same level as they are. I guarantee you if you went from Charlotte's facilities to UNC's or NC State's or ECU's facilities, they would have the same gripes about having a paltry program compared to the big state schools. I keep telling folks you can't always have the biggest car, biggest house, biggest bankroll, etc. I don't believe in counting other people's money. There's simply no way we're going to be Charlotte..... ....but guess what? Despite all the amenities they have, WE WOULD HAVE BEATEN THEIR ASSES IN FOOTBALL LAST YEAR, DESPITE THE BROWN GRASS OUR TEAM PRACTICES AND PLAYS ON AND DESPITE THE ALUMINUM SEATS OUR FANS SIT ON AT AGGIE STADIUM!!!! .....and here we are talking about Hassan Klugh at FBS Charlotte and the dude clearly wasn't the best QB on our FCS/MEAC roster. We're talking about why kids don't choose us not whether or not the on the field product is comparable. Don't get the two things confused. That's all. I'm an Aggie through and through but reality is reality. Charlotte is still an upstart FBS program and trust me our program is worthy of competing for some of the same recruits for the next few years. So, to me, you have to AT LEAST have the optics to attract the best athletes that you can. Our front porch has to look like it's worth seeing what's inside of the house because some of these kids might be surprised at what they find in Aggieland. But if they never look, they'll never know. We're past the point of comparing ourselves to other HBCUs only. From an enrollment standpoint, we are the largest HBCU in the country. If you don't see that as a point of pride and can't understand why we need to set high goals then we'll always be an afterthought in the minds of North Carolina kids. It's like someone said earlier, we didn't know we were poor growing up but when we found out, we had a greater respect for our parents and we knew that there were many more possibilities for our lives. There are many more possibilities for Aggie Athletics! Maxell, the reason folks shy away from your line of thinking about upgrading the front porch is because it's the harder thing to do. Simple as that. It requires more money and time to do that. It's why all the MEAC/SWAC members are generally in the same boat in terms of mid-major/FCS competition level. We tip-toe around the obvious because we either don't believe that we can raise funds to move to a next level of competitiveness or we don't have trust that the extra money donated will make a difference. Where there's no vision, the people perish. Don't get too comfortable with Aggie Football on top if we're not willing to financially support it more than we have been.
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