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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 6, 2016 11:00:25 GMT -5
"The MEAC does an awesome job of advertising our schools with terrible football game match ups in empty stadiums on rough looking fields in the rain during a Thursday night at 7:30pm on ESPNU or tape delay ESPN3 at 11pm lol. Great recruiting methods lol."(one: That is not true and Two YOUR MISSING THE POINT!!) Some of the most despairing comments or coming from HBCU Alums ! HBCU's or not NFL factories and HBC's or will advertised, but it is more on a regional Level as or all college programs D-1, D-2,D-3,NAIA OK!! What Monster and I or saying is that (some)uninformed/ informed parents , coaches or friends and what ever, can not envision seeing there kid/kids at HBCU's period ! And this is engrained at and really age ! I understand your point believe me. I'm just looking at it from both sides. Some people just prefer not to send their kid to a school operating with less when they have the option to attend a school that has more. In the past 6 years how many DIV I HBCUs have been dealing with APR issues? How many have been published in the news multiple times for risk of closing down? Can you blame them for preferring stability? I'm all for HBCU's don't get me wrong. The experience is like no other and some of our Universities have been making strides ergo us(AGGIE PRIDE!). Digressing, Moral of the story to fix the constant demise HBCUs face is to continue to get the right staff in place. Would you have really sent your child to the Perennial power SCSU a year or two ago while in turmoil to play football if up and coming UNCC or App State came knocking? Would you have sent your child to A&T during the Fobbs era for football if Coastal Carolina or Elon came knocking at your door? Thats part of the problem. People tend to lump HBCUs in one category. Parents, kids, and even some high school coaches lump the CIAA, MEAC, SWAC together like the CIAA is not Div2 and the MEAC is not FCS. Just cause you are considering A&T as an option doesn't mean you are considering NCCU as well or Savanah State. Or at least it shouldn't. If you going FBS I get why you dont consider HBCU. There are no FBS HBCUs. But when you are an FCS caliber athlete and dont have ANY HBCU on the list ? Thats something that engrained. Thats being uninformed. So the answer to your question is NO, I wouldn't have sent my child to any of those situations if he had options. Those were just bad situations that had nothing to do with it being an HBCU school. But there were other HBCUs at those times that were great options.
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Post by aggie2039 on Apr 6, 2016 11:44:18 GMT -5
I definitely agree...we should never lose kids to our regional FCS peers. I may be naïve but I don't believe Coastal Carolina or Presbyterian have better academics and student success rates than we do. Same can be said for a number of FCS schools across the country...just my two cents. If their are Coastal fans on the board I am not knocking your school.
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Post by outsidethinker on Apr 6, 2016 21:25:30 GMT -5
I agree with all the previous statements lol. I'm not trying to deviate from the subject matter, but I would love to know what everyone is hearing that is so negative about HBCU's. As you repeat the negative statements that you've heard from others, ask yourself what are we doing now to separate ourselves from the rumors.......
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Apr 7, 2016 8:45:44 GMT -5
It's people taking a few experiences from years ago that combined with the hype of large non hbcus. I always get a kick out people who did not even attend college but say they are a Carolina fan and they know zero about the academics of the school.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 7, 2016 9:35:07 GMT -5
I agree with all the previous statements lol. I'm not trying to deviate from the subject matter, but I would love to know what everyone is hearing that is so negative about HBCU's. As you repeat the negative statements that you've heard from others, ask yourself what are we doing now to separate ourselves from the rumors....... Before I give my tops negative answers let me say this, I've coached pop warner for 7 years, so the kids I have come across are now getting to high school. Some are in recruiting age and others have siblings that are currently being recruited. I also covered high school sports for some local news outlets for a couple years not to long ago and a lot of those kids have graduated college at differen levels(FBS, FCS, Div2). Just wanted to give my background first because I think that matters. 1) "Ghetto life" - Some black people just associate anything majority black with "hood" or "ghetto". Probably comes from the local high school scene they grew up in or that exist in their city. Lets face it. The black high schools are hood most of the time. A&T, Howard, Hamption, etc, etc are far from hood. This is the #1 reason I get. They may not always word it that way, but you can tell thats what they are getting at. "Bad azz lil pookie from down the street got into A&T, WTF???" What they dont get is if you dont straighten out you wont last. We give opportunity. 2) Job opportunities are not that good after graduating from an HBCU as a student athlete. "We thinking about life after football" - "WTF!!!" is always the look on my face to this answer. 1, because its a ridiculous statement. 2, because its an insult to say that to the face of an HBCU grad that makes six figures. "do you think I went to UNC on the side or something?". Statistics show that blacks that graduate from HBCUs do slightly better than the majority of blacks from white institutions when it comes to this. This only slightly behind #1 as a problem/stigma we have to overcome 3) We dont take care of our student athletes as well as our FCS counterparts(PERKS) - Not really sure where this is coming from. The college athletes I talk to pretty much get treated the same as long as your on the same level of play. I think parents think places like Elon, Coastal, etc are more inline with what they hear at UNC, NC State, etc. Simply not true. I think thats kind of what thefriscotxaggie was saying above also. FBS benefits are far greater than MOST FCS schools regardless if HBCU or not. 4) Better opportunity to go pro or hey get more exposure - Believe it or not, parents of FCS kids still have NFL dreams. I cant knock someones dream, but lets be real. If your good they will come. Doesn't really matter where you play. Wofford, Elon, Coastal, App, etc aint getting more scouts than A&T or NCCU coming to their pro-day. If you show-out for a couple years they will come. There is other stuff, but those are the ones I get the most. The funny part is that 2 of them(the top 2) are not even sports related.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Apr 7, 2016 11:38:17 GMT -5
I agree with all the previous statements lol. I'm not trying to deviate from the subject matter, but I would love to know what everyone is hearing that is so negative about HBCU's. As you repeat the negative statements that you've heard from others, ask yourself what are we doing now to separate ourselves from the rumors....... Before I give my tops negative answers let me say this, I've coached pop warner for 7 years, so the kids I have come across are now getting to high school. Some are in recruiting age and others have siblings that are currently being recruited. I also covered high school sports for some local news outlets for a couple years not to long ago and a lot of those kids have graduated college at differen levels(FBS, FCS, Div2). Just wanted to give my background first because I think that matters. 1) "Ghetto life" - Some black people just associate anything majority black with "hood" or "ghetto". Probably comes from the local high school scene they grew up in or that exist in their city. Lets face it. The blacks high schools are hood most of the time. A&T, Howard, Hamption, etc, etc are far from hood. This is the #1 reason I get. They may not always word it that way, but you can tell thats what they are getting at. "Bad azz lil pookie from down the street got into A&T, WTF???" What they dont get is if you dont straighten out you wont last. We give opportunity. 2) Job opportunities are not that good after graduating from an HBCU as a student athlete. "We thinking about life after football" - "WTF!!!" is always the look on my face to this answer. 1, because its a ridiculous statement. 2, because its an insult to say that to the face of an HBCU grad that makes six figures. "do you think I went to UNC on the side or something?". Statistics show that blacks that graduate from HBCUs do slightly better than the majority of blacks from white institutions when it comes to this. This only slightly behind #1 as a problem/stigma we have to overcome 3) We dont take care of our student athletes as well as our FCS counterparts(PERKS) - Not really sure where this is coming from. The college athletes I talk to pretty much get treated the same as long as your on the same level of play. I think parents think places like Elon, Coastal, etc are more inline with what they hear at UNC, NC State, etc. Simply not true. I think thats kind of what thefriscotxaggie was saying above also. FBS benefits are far greater than MOST FCS schools regardless if HBCU or not. 4) Better opportunity to go pro or hey get more exposure - Believe it or not, parents of FCS kids still have NFL dreams. I cant knock someones dream, but lets be real. If your good they will come. Doesn't really matter where you play. Wofford, Elon, Coastal, App, etc aint getting more scouts than A&T or NCCU coming to their pro-day. If you show-out for a couple years they will come. There is other stuff, but those are the ones I get the most. The funny part is that 2 of them(the top 2) are not even sports related. I think you're dead-on with the reasons you've listed. What it really boils down to is the belief that "white ice is colder than black ice." And it's impossible to convince some of our people that it isn't. Hey I had two sons that didn't want to attend A&T and ended up graduating from UNC-CH and NC State. I was proud of the fact that they graduated but they picked those two schools with the same "white ice vs. black ice" concept. And despite the fact that they had two successful parents that were proud graduates of A&T, they still wouldn't attend A&T. As much as I preached my positive experience at A&T, they spent all day around folks that perpetuated that "white ice" theory. Since the day we entered this country in the belly of those slave ships, our road has been tough. I don't expect that to ever change. We will just have to keep fighting to get our message out.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 7, 2016 12:37:11 GMT -5
all of the above is correct. to sum it all up, its called “stereotypes”. hbcu’s across the board have fallen victim to negative stereotypes ever since hbcu’s were first founded. and even though we’ve dispelled many of those stereotypes over the years, they still persist. however, i do believe the stereotypes of today are not as robust as it was decades ago.
for example, hbcu’s today in general have far more white students than existed as little as 2 or 3 decades ago. whereas, white students at hbcu’s hardly even existed at all 2 or 3 decades ago, except perhaps for a few athletes.
so while those negative stereotypes still exist, its still not as bad as it used to be. all we can do is continue to dispel those stereotypes until one day hopefully they will no longer exist...
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Post by aggieforlife on Apr 24, 2016 17:43:57 GMT -5
I see Mr Klugh had a nice spring game own Sat not the starter but played a lot.l think he had two Tds passes. THE other Qb from Ecu left the program.He is listed as aecond string.The ones who said he should transfer to Smith yall have no clue. We will see him next year when we play them count own it...
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 24, 2016 19:24:22 GMT -5
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Post by saabman on Apr 24, 2016 21:09:17 GMT -5
If you got game it will show up !! Best of luck Mr Klugh!
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Post by saabman on Apr 24, 2016 21:26:46 GMT -5
all of the above is correct. to sum it all up, its called “stereotypes”. hbcu’s across the board have fallen victim to negative stereotypes ever since hbcu’s were first founded. and even though we’ve dispelled many of those stereotypes over the years, they still persist. however, i do believe the stereotypes of today are not as robust as it was decades ago. for example, hbcu’s today in general have far more white students than existed as little as 2 or 3 decades ago. whereas, white students at hbcu’s hardly even existed at all 2 or 3 decades ago, except perhaps for a few athletes. so while those negative stereotypes still exist, its still not as bad as it used to be. all we can do is continue to dispel those stereotypes until one day hopefully they will no longer exist... The negative stereotypes still exist, but it is not coming from the Whites!! It's coming from the mouths of other blacks and it is not the none educated ones Most of the comments that I have heard that are Negative about black HBCU's from whites have been second hand comments that they have gotten in conversations with there so called educated black friends that have attend HBCU's 8-)So I have to reeducate them We are our own worst enemy because most whites No nothing about HBCU's except what they hear! But it is our own that or the ones providing the fuel for a lot of the Negative conversations and stereotypes about HBCU's This has to stop
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Post by Maxell on Apr 24, 2016 22:29:12 GMT -5
Before I give my tops negative answers let me say this, I've coached pop warner for 7 years, so the kids I have come across are now getting to high school. Some are in recruiting age and others have siblings that are currently being recruited. I also covered high school sports for some local news outlets for a couple years not to long ago and a lot of those kids have graduated college at differen levels(FBS, FCS, Div2). Just wanted to give my background first because I think that matters. 1) "Ghetto life" - Some black people just associate anything majority black with "hood" or "ghetto". Probably comes from the local high school scene they grew up in or that exist in their city. Lets face it. The blacks high schools are hood most of the time. A&T, Howard, Hamption, etc, etc are far from hood. This is the #1 reason I get. They may not always word it that way, but you can tell thats what they are getting at. "Bad azz lil pookie from down the street got into A&T, WTF???" What they dont get is if you dont straighten out you wont last. We give opportunity. 2) Job opportunities are not that good after graduating from an HBCU as a student athlete. "We thinking about life after football" - "WTF!!!" is always the look on my face to this answer. 1, because its a ridiculous statement. 2, because its an insult to say that to the face of an HBCU grad that makes six figures. "do you think I went to UNC on the side or something?". Statistics show that blacks that graduate from HBCUs do slightly better than the majority of blacks from white institutions when it comes to this. This only slightly behind #1 as a problem/stigma we have to overcome 3) We dont take care of our student athletes as well as our FCS counterparts(PERKS) - Not really sure where this is coming from. The college athletes I talk to pretty much get treated the same as long as your on the same level of play. I think parents think places like Elon, Coastal, etc are more inline with what they hear at UNC, NC State, etc. Simply not true. I think thats kind of what thefriscotxaggie was saying above also. FBS benefits are far greater than MOST FCS schools regardless if HBCU or not. 4) Better opportunity to go pro or hey get more exposure - Believe it or not, parents of FCS kids still have NFL dreams. I cant knock someones dream, but lets be real. If your good they will come. Doesn't really matter where you play. Wofford, Elon, Coastal, App, etc aint getting more scouts than A&T or NCCU coming to their pro-day. If you show-out for a couple years they will come. There is other stuff, but those are the ones I get the most. The funny part is that 2 of them(the top 2) are not even sports related. I think you're dead-on with the reasons you've listed. What it really boils down to is the belief that "white ice is colder than black ice." And it's impossible to convince some of our people that it isn't. Hey I had two sons that didn't want to attend A&T and ended up graduating from UNC-CH and NC State. I was proud of the fact that they graduated but they picked those two schools with the same "white ice vs. black ice" concept. And despite the fact that they had two successful parents that were proud graduates of A&T, they still wouldn't attend A&T. As much as I preached my positive experience at A&T, they spent all day around folks that perpetuated that "white ice" theory. Since the day we entered this country in the belly of those slave ships, our road has been tough. I don't expect that to ever change. We will just have to keep fighting to get our message out. I have two sons, also. One went to A&T, one did not. Both my wife and I graduated from A&T. Our younger son thought that A&T was "too black", which relates to the ghetto life comment. HBCUs are not for every student and shouldn't be. Black culture permeates at an HBCU campus, which can be smothering for some kids who grow up in a more mixed society. My son that went to A&T married a girl from UNCG, so I understand the cultural differences between the two schools and why she made the choice she did. Funny thing is I even went to Homecoming a few years ago, having not been in a while, and had some of the same thoughts as my younger son did about the atmosphere being "too black". I had to slap my own self a few times and ask myself why was I thinking that about my own alma mater? I know for a fact that my younger son would not have been a good fit at A&T. I wouldn't necessarily describe it as "black ice/white ice" because it's not the same ice. They have more expensive ice and that is real. As great as we think our resources and facilities are, they pale in comparison to many of our PWI counterparts. We don't understand that until we get into the real world and see we have a learning curve to overcome that some others got exposure to as an undergrad. The good part is that we have been taught how to close the gap quickly. I am a proud graduate of our engineering school, but I know that our labs are one to two decades behind current industry and have been that way for a long time. We chase that gap every year because current technology becomes obsolete so quickly. Many PWIs have the resources to have a much smaller technology gap. Many of the same things hold true for athletics. I looked at a gallery of pics from the Charlotte spring football game and just got pissed off. The difference in optics was staggering. They looked like a a real football program preparing for next season. From the turf field, to the quality of the uniforms, to the fans and cheerleaders in attendance, the difference was evident. If I am a high school student looking at both programs, based on the spring game, there's no question I'm going to Charlotte instead of A&T. Screw the sentimental loyalty, we have to change the optics for these kids to even consider attending our fine university. Like it or not, that takes more money. I think we can get there but there's a big gap to close and someone has to realize that optics(what you can physically see) is important enough to be a priority for the "front porch" of the university called athletics. Charlotte and Coastal have taken the "build it and they will come" approach.
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Post by saabman on Apr 25, 2016 7:35:53 GMT -5
I think you're dead-on with the reasons you've listed. What it really boils down to is the belief that "white ice is colder than black ice." And it's impossible to convince some of our people that it isn't. Hey I had two sons that didn't want to attend A&T and ended up graduating from UNC-CH and NC State. I was proud of the fact that they graduated but they picked those two schools with the same "white ice vs. black ice" concept. And despite the fact that they had two successful parents that were proud graduates of A&T, they still wouldn't attend A&T. As much as I preached my positive experience at A&T, they spent all day around folks that perpetuated that "white ice" theory. Since the day we entered this country in the belly of those slave ships, our road has been tough. I don't expect that to ever change. We will just have to keep fighting to get our message out. I have two sons, also. One went to A&T, one did not. Both my wife and I graduated from A&T. Our younger son thought that A&T was "too black", which relates to the ghetto life comment. HBCUs are not for every student and shouldn't be. Black culture permeates at an HBCU campus, which can be smothering for some kids who grow up in a more mixed society. My son that went to A&T married a girl from UNCG, so I understand the cultural differences between the two schools and why she made the choice she did. Funny thing is I even went to Homecoming a few years ago, having not been in a while, and had some of the same thoughts as my younger son did about the atmosphere being "too black". I had to slap my own self a few times and ask myself why was I thinking that about my own alma mater? I know for a fact that my younger son would not have been a good fit at A&T. I wouldn't necessarily describe it as "black ice/white ice" because it's not the same ice. They have more expensive ice and that is real. As great as we think our resources and facilities are, they pale in comparison to many of our PWI counterparts. We don't understand that until we get into the real world and see we have a learning curve to overcome that some others got exposure to as an undergrad. The good part is that we have been taught how to close the gap quickly. I am a proud graduate of our engineering school, but I know that our labs are one to two decades behind current industry and have been that way for a long time. We chase that gap every year because current technology becomes obsolete so quickly. Many PWIs have the resources to have a much smaller technology gap. Many of the same things hold true for athletics. I looked at a gallery of pics from the Charlotte spring football game and just got pissed off. The difference in optics was staggering. They looked like a a real football program preparing for next season. From the turf field, to the quality of the uniforms, to the fans and cheerleaders in attendance, the difference was evident. If I am a high school student looking at both programs, based on the spring game, there's no question I'm going to Charlotte instead of A&T. Screw the sentimental loyalty, we have to change the optics for these kids to even consider attending our fine university. Like it or not, that takes more money. I think we can get there but there's a big gap to close and someone has to realize that optics(what you can physically see) is important enough to be a priority for the "front porch" of the university called athletics. Charlotte and Coastal have taken the "build it and they will come" approach. What is to Black ?? Now not being the right fit I can understand that because A&T was not the right fit for me Athletics wise! But To Black that's a new one for me..lol
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 25, 2016 9:44:03 GMT -5
I think you're dead-on with the reasons you've listed. What it really boils down to is the belief that "white ice is colder than black ice." And it's impossible to convince some of our people that it isn't. Hey I had two sons that didn't want to attend A&T and ended up graduating from UNC-CH and NC State. I was proud of the fact that they graduated but they picked those two schools with the same "white ice vs. black ice" concept. And despite the fact that they had two successful parents that were proud graduates of A&T, they still wouldn't attend A&T. As much as I preached my positive experience at A&T, they spent all day around folks that perpetuated that "white ice" theory. Since the day we entered this country in the belly of those slave ships, our road has been tough. I don't expect that to ever change. We will just have to keep fighting to get our message out. I have two sons, also. One went to A&T, one did not. Both my wife and I graduated from A&T. Our younger son thought that A&T was "too black", which relates to the ghetto life comment. HBCUs are not for every student and shouldn't be. Black culture permeates at an HBCU campus, which can be smothering for some kids who grow up in a more mixed society. My son that went to A&T married a girl from UNCG, so I understand the cultural differences between the two schools and why she made the choice she did. Funny thing is I even went to Homecoming a few years ago, having not been in a while, and had some of the same thoughts as my younger son did about the atmosphere being "too black". I had to slap my own self a few times and ask myself why was I thinking that about my own alma mater? I know for a fact that my younger son would not have been a good fit at A&T. I wouldn't necessarily describe it as "black ice/white ice" because it's not the same ice. They have more expensive ice and that is real. As great as we think our resources and facilities are, they pale in comparison to many of our PWI counterparts. We don't understand that until we get into the real world and see we have a learning curve to overcome that some others got exposure to as an undergrad. The good part is that we have been taught how to close the gap quickly. I am a proud graduate of our engineering school, but I know that our labs are one to two decades behind current industry and have been that way for a long time. We chase that gap every year because current technology becomes obsolete so quickly. Many PWIs have the resources to have a much smaller technology gap. Many of the same things hold true for athletics. I looked at a gallery of pics from the Charlotte spring football game and just got pissed off. The difference in optics was staggering. They looked like a a real football program preparing for next season. From the turf field, to the quality of the uniforms, to the fans and cheerleaders in attendance, the difference was evident. If I am a high school student looking at both programs, based on the spring game, there's no question I'm going to Charlotte instead of A&T. Screw the sentimental loyalty, we have to change the optics for these kids to even consider attending our fine university. Like it or not, that takes more money. I think we can get there but there's a big gap to close and someone has to realize that optics(what you can physically see) is important enough to be a priority for the "front porch" of the university called athletics. Charlotte and Coastal have taken the "build it and they will come" approach. post of the year!! i've been saying this for years! that's why i've been so adamant about the "brown grass/dirt" at aggie stadium and the poor upkeep of corbett sports center. i've been to numerous pwc's over the years, so i've known what you mean by "optics" for a very long time. that's why i've always referred our posters to visit some of these other schools (especially pwc's) so that they can see first hand just how far behind we are. i mean, i didn't even know i was growing up in a low income neighborhood as a kid until i was forced to attend a predominantly white elementary school and saw some of my white friends' homes. likewise, if all folk ever see are hbcu's, they wouldn't have a clue how much better the resources are at pwc's. a lot of bdv posters give me the "side-eye" everytime i complain about corbett or the brown grass at aggie stadium as if to say, they don't see anything wrong with corbett or the "brown grass". outstanding post, maxell. i know where you're coming from and i concur 110%...
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Post by saabman on Apr 25, 2016 12:06:07 GMT -5
OSA I understand and agree with you and Maxell on "optics" 100% ! What I'm having problems with is this " Too Black " comment ! If things are Ghetto I can understand that, because Ghetto can be anyone, place or thing ! But Too Black man get real and stop this Subliminal negative stereotyping crap !
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