KidHeartless
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Post by KidHeartless on Jan 7, 2015 14:41:26 GMT -5
I have Zero interest in the bowl. I wanna know what happened to our "counter-offer"? But if the time comes and the meac tells the NCAA our champ will not participate... let's get wssu on the phone
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Post by numberonebrave on Jan 7, 2015 15:20:53 GMT -5
Whatever happens, I like the idea of playing and beatingt the PWC of the world. Grambling and Southern still play them w/o any expectation of going to the playoffs. In fact most SWAC schools play them, don't beat them but they play them just as we should and beat the Elons of the football world
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 7, 2015 16:27:29 GMT -5
The only benefit I see WSSU got by dropping back to DII is the number of required sports. One would think they put the cost from the dropped sports back into football or basketball. Yea right!!! They just lowered their overall sports budget and I would bet football nor basketball benefited one dime!!!
In addition there is a general thought process from the public at large that the bigger your school is from an athletic standpoint the better your academics. Yea I realize thats dumb but thats how people think. If you have the academic reputation of Georgetown I dont think it matters.
However the vision Chanceller Martin has for us is that we will be an hbcu with a divirse enrollment of students and viewed as one of the Top universities in NC. Going DII flys in the face of all that!!! Plane and simple we have to step our game up from an athletic standpoint; thats why I am in favor of leaving the conference. Since we can maintain everthing we need to satisfy a good portion of the alumns by playing NCCU & some other HBCU (WSSU, SC State, FAMU)every year..
If you think differently someone give me a HBCU (DII) school that is highly viewed for there academics outside of the local black population ?
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Post by numberonebrave on Jan 7, 2015 16:43:26 GMT -5
Morehouse
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oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 7, 2015 17:09:17 GMT -5
morehouse is known outside of the black community for being the alma mater of dr. martin luther king, jr. aside from that, i don’t think morehouse is recognized by the "general population" for their academics. i think joint collaborations with pwc's like we have with uncg (joint school of nanoscience and nanoengineering) goes a long way toward dispelling the negative hbcu "stereotypes" that exist amongst a lot of white folk...
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Post by saabman on Jan 7, 2015 21:12:44 GMT -5
morehouse is known outside of the black community for being the alma mater of dr. martin luther king, jr. aside from that, i don’t think morehouse is recognized by the "general population" for their academics. i think joint collaborations with pwc's like we have with uncg (joint school of nanoscience and nanoengineering) goes a long way toward dispelling the negative hbcu "stereotypes" that exist amongst a lot of white folk... But that colloratition had nothing to do with Football or A&T being D-1. Other then football I would say that most black or white folk can not tell you one thing about the academic value of any of the two schools ( Ohio state , Oregon ) playing for the FBS championship or the FCS championship team's ! That wind blows both ways ok. Do we want the face of A&T/ HBCU's to be Football ? If we do, To me that plays into the negative Stereotype that white folks have about the HBCU's far more then what division we.er in. |
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Post by aggiebred09 on Jan 7, 2015 22:32:57 GMT -5
How much money have we raised to keep A&T D1 since we've learned of this potential shake-up?
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Post by The Professor on Jan 7, 2015 23:08:13 GMT -5
Dooms knocked it right out of the park. There is no need not to go DII and back to the CIAA if we have no way to the FCS playoffs. I only see 3 options
1. Switch conferences to stay FCS eligible
2. Go to the CIAA and Division II
3. Participate in this Legacy Bowl. And just keeping on , keeping on.
I see only 2 logical options and that's 1 and 2. I'm more in favor of number 2 but i think number 1 could be a viable option.
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 8, 2015 9:21:35 GMT -5
D-2 doesn't affect one's view of academics unless you want it to.
Has Winston or Central's academic profile changed as a result of their moves? What about Savannah State? Our academic profile will only change when we graduate a higher percentage of folks and increase the endowment. What division we play sports has no bearing on it whatsoever.
What division is Tuskeegee in? What about Spelman? Lincoln?
When is the FCS championship played? And how many of y'all actually can say you've watched it or know anybody who's watched it over the past decade? How many of y'all watched or know somebody who watched Winston get their behinds smoothed over against Valdosta? I'm willing to bet you know more watched Winston than watched the FCS championship and many more of you watched Winston than have ever seen an FCS championship.
Our money can win multiple d-2 and/or NAIA championships and hype up the wins by publicizing them on every billboard you see when you enter the state from any highway. Regardless of what we do, people like to be associated with winners. If we go soul bowl and win, people will like to be associated with that. People liked being associated with us when we beat Liberty for the play-in game, but five minutes into the game against Louisville folk moved on and ain't been seen since.
Imagine if we won the d-2 football championship, mens bball championship, and womens bball championship all in the same year. That would be difficult, but if we followed Winston's blueprint and used the money we already have in place WE COULD DO IT! Imagine the publicity and goodwill that would come with that. We will never win an national championship in any of those sports on the d-1 level.
I used to be adamant about not moving to d-2. Then I started looking at it logically and I was able to shoot down every argument I had for remaining in d-1 easily. Then I realized it didn't make a lick of sense to stay in d-1, especially at the fcs level.
But I know I'm spitting in the wind. Too many folks are emotionally invested (starting with the head man) in doing things the same way and getting the same results.
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 8, 2015 9:51:19 GMT -5
Okay, I've gone over this back and forth in my head, time and time again. But, we are trying to operate in black and white with no shades of gray as it relates to football, NCAA football at that. The notion of giving everbody a fair shot is a utopia. Is it possible...? College football is a game that's predicated on financail resources. We like to turn a blind eye to that fact. Maybe on paper, it does make sense? But, in reality, it's not even close. Case and point...N. Illinois goes undefeated on the D I-A level in the season of 2012 faced an 11-2 Florida State team that was considered to be down by their standards. They beat N. Illinois 31-10 in the Orange Bowl 2013...I'm almost certain that you had folks in N. Illinois' camp advocating for the opportunity to play for the national championship that year because, they had an undefeated season. But, did they really want to play Alabama...  ? On paper, yes but, on the field, NO! That game would've been a waste of time and money. That's the equivilent of a punch-drunk boxer getting in the ring with Floyd Maywhether for the title. The NCAA does have a daunting task of trying to pit teams together with like resources in football so they can compete for a championship. So, what am I saying....the teams with like resources as us and our fellow hbcus are NOT the teams we face in the FCS playoffs. That's the issue...now we know it's too troubling to have power FCS conferences compete for a championship and then have the lower tier FCS conferences battle for a championship. So, what's the alternative? When an alternative is presented we shoot it down without true consideration which I find troubling. We can continue to fool ourselves or believe in fools' gold of winning a championship in which we are not prepared for from a financial standpoint. I choose not to.... |
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 8, 2015 9:55:01 GMT -5
What's your opinion on d-2? I submit we're a d-2 school already in enrollment, endowment, and budget.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jan 8, 2015 9:55:52 GMT -5
The MEAC/SWAC bowl agreement was announced on 1320 AM this morning. Per the release, the MEAC gives up its AQ. However, members still retain the right to accept at-large bids to the FCS playoffs.
I expect that our angle will be to continue scheduling OOC as we have before with the chance of winning out against our schedule and a respectable performance against UNC to get the at-large bid.
I just don't see us moving in the direction we've been heading just to take a step back.
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 8, 2015 10:09:05 GMT -5
What's your opinion on d-2? I submit we're a d-2 school already in enrollment, endowment, and budget. Truth be told, if our financial resources align more closely with Div. II schools then, there's your answer. At some point, we have to get tired of this game of kickball in which WE only have one leg. |
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 8, 2015 10:15:53 GMT -5
The MEAC/SWAC bowl agreement was announced on 1320 AM this morning. Per the release, the MEAC gives up its AQ. However, members still retain the right to accept at-large bids to the FCS playoffs. I expect that our angle will be to continue scheduling OOC as we have before with the chance of winning out against our schedule and a respectable performance against UNC to get the at-large bid. I just don't see us moving in the direction we've been heading just to take a step back. I think it would be close to impossible to get an at-large bid under that scenario. We'd have to lose only one game, to a conference opponent that loses no conference games, and a number of chips would have to fall in other conferences as well. We'd also most likely have to be undefeated in out of conference games and play schools with winning records and strong history out of conference. That's asking for too much really. Is there an option to skip the bowl for the playoffs? Although I'm sure that wouldn't go over well, the meac ain't gonna kick anybody out. They could fine you, but you just don't pay the fine. Again, what's the conference gonna do about it? NOTHING. I'm still advocating the CIAA, but I'm curious about the current state of affairs. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 8, 2015 11:04:16 GMT -5
When is the FCS championship played? And how many of y'all actually can say you've watched it or know anybody who's watched it over the past decade? How many of y'all watched or know somebody who watched Winston get their behinds smoothed over against Valdosta? I'm willing to bet you know more watched Winston than watched the FCS championship and many more of you watched Winston than have ever seen an FCS championship. that’s not a fair comparison. of course aggies and most local triad hbcu fans watched wssu in the d2 championship game and that should’ve been expected since we’re next door neighbors and arch rivals. again, not a fair comparison to watching north dakota state in the fcs championship. but ask those same folks how many of them watched colorado state pueblo in this year’s d2 championship game and the response would be the exact opposite, probably none of them watched it. so again, your comparison is unfair. not apples to apples... |
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? On paper, yes but, on the field, NO! That game would've been a waste of time and money. That's the equivilent of a punch-drunk boxer getting in the ring with Floyd Maywhether for the title. The NCAA does have a daunting task of trying to pit teams together with like resources in football so they can compete for a championship. So, what am I saying....the teams with like resources as us and our fellow hbcus are NOT the teams we face in the FCS playoffs. That's the issue...now we know it's too troubling to have power FCS conferences compete for a championship and then have the lower tier FCS conferences battle for a championship. So, what's the alternative? When an alternative is presented we shoot it down without true consideration which I find troubling. We can continue to fool ourselves or believe in fools' gold of winning a championship in which we are not prepared for from a financial standpoint. I choose not to....
