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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2015 10:47:31 GMT -5
If WSSU wants some, lets get that going back going to get some good gate money. With a reasonable payout of course.
I see no reason to play Elon nor Coastal anymore. No reason to play ANY FCS school for a non-conference game that isn't a "Classic" guaranteeing us some money. If we want to play 3 CIAA schools and 1 FBS school as non -conference lets do that also. Removing this strength of schedule due to no playoffs does have its plusses. Chitterling circuit here we come.
This situation might net us more revenue if we play it right. We have so many in-state Div 2 schools we can invite to Aggie Stadium its ridiculous. Fayetteville State, WSSU, etc. Better call them now cause that's what NCCU will be doing. I bet they wont be playing UNCC or inviting Townson in to kick their azz anymore. FBS money games and div2 opponents is about all we need now.
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 7, 2015 11:24:39 GMT -5
If we're going to do that to me it would make more sense to cook the whole hog and move to the CIAA.
There are a number of people against it, but come CIAA tourny time they'll all be jockeying for seats. They'll still be at homecoming. And they'll be right there in Aggie Stadium in November watching us beat the brakes off of Lenoir-Rhyne or some school out of Pennsylvania.
If this thing goes through and we continue to be d-1 and push for the playoffs, I don't see how we remain in the MEAC. I also don't see where we go if we leave because contrary to popular belief there aren't that many conferences drooling for our services. We're spending more on athletics (but still not as much on football as many other d-1 schools) but that spending isn't sustainable. See SC Steat, Hampton, and FAMU for proof.
The thing is we talk about money, but the administration hasn't really said they are cash-strapped. If they were they'd vote yes for the thing, period. Since money isn't currently the problem it is at most of our sister-schools, playing d-2s for a payday woulnd't be a big thing for the decision-makers.
One thing that's come to mind for me in reading the comments about the bowl over at the meacfan page is that OUR SCHOOLS SHOULD NO LONGER BE IN THE SAME CONFERENCE. You have some schools that are absolutely cash-strapped, and some that are doing alright. Some have open enrollment, some have higher admissions standards. Some are adding athletic programs, some are taking them away. Other than being a bunch of black folk, we all share very few similarities other than we all should be d-2 or NAIA.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2015 11:34:37 GMT -5
One thing that's come to mind for me in reading the comments about the bowl over at the meacfan page is that OUR SCHOOLS SHOULD NO LONGER BE IN THE SAME CONFERENCE. You have some schools that are absolutely cash-strapped, and some that are doing alright. Some have open enrollment, some have higher admissions standards. Some are adding athletic programs, some are taking them away. Other than being a bunch of black folk, we all share very few similarities I dont agree with you on everything but I do agree about this. A&T hasn't had the same financial woes as half the MEAC complains about. We cant seem to dominate in athletics, but you don't read anything about all this money being loss after the fact either. I dont think we should be Div2 because we then lose out on the shared Bowl money and the NCAA basketball "whipping tour" money that helps fund the entire athletic department. Eaves sucked, but he was a pro at getting that dollar on the road. i think if we go Div2 our money struggles(the few we have based on the low number of complaints) stay about the same. i think we would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Any expenses that went away would be offset by revenue that is no longer an option.
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 7, 2015 11:53:41 GMT -5
I would agree, except for one ugly red, black and white thing about 30 minutes up I-40....
The proof of how we could expect to do in d-2 is already there. And we have more money and more access to money than they can ever hope to. That school has always been broke so one degree or another. D-1 just made it much worse. Yes, we'd lose the bball money (and the 30 minutes of fame that we get if we ever make the tourny) but we can also drop a number of sports that we have no interest in sponsoring in the first place, pay a bunhc less football schollies, and cut the travel budget to nothing. Attendance at games would theoretically increase due to us playing CIAA teams we're familiar with (especially that school up 40). When the coaches leave the salaries go to more manageable levels as well.
We can make money in d-1 if a whole lot of chips fall into place (they won't). We WOULD make money in d-2 no matter how hard we tried to screw it up.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2015 12:01:20 GMT -5
I would agree, except for one ugly red, black and white thing about 30 minutes up I-40.... The proof of how we could expect to do in d-2 is already there. And we have more money and more access to money than they can ever hope to. That school has always been broke so one degree or another. D-1 just made it much worse. Yes, we'd lose the bball money (and the 30 minutes of fame that we get if we ever make the tourny) but we can also drop a number of sports that we have no interest in sponsoring in the first place, pay a bunhc less football schollies, and cut the travel budget to nothing. Attendance at games would theoretically increase due to us playing CIAA teams we're familiar with (especially that school up 40). When the coaches leave the salaries go to more manageable levels as well. We can make money in d-1 if a whole lot of chips fall into place (they won't). We WOULD make money in d-2 no matter how hard we tried to screw it up. So is WSSU better off financially? I know moving back didn't really effect their attendance and fan base much.
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 7, 2015 12:05:28 GMT -5
Of course they're better off financially. Like I said, they were always bad, but in d-1 they were in dire finanical straits. The saving grace was when the state denied their request to increase their student activity fees to ungodlier levels and they had to move back to d-2.
They may not be doing well but they are doing a lot better than they were in d-1. A LOT better.
Them being Winston, their attendance and fan base is what it is. Us being Ayantee is a different animal. Not being uppity, but when it comes to hbcus in NC, we are the draw. CIAA folk will come to our stadium to see their team lose to us before they'll go to their own team's stadium to watch them play another CIAA team.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 7, 2015 12:06:51 GMT -5
one thing for doggone sure, if this soul bowl comes to fruition, no need to play any pwc’s except an fbs money game. yep, relative to diversity, we’ll be going “backward”. so get ready for an “exclusive” hbcu football schedule that leads to a soul bowl championship game...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2015 12:12:49 GMT -5
one thing for doggone sure, if this soul bowl comes to fruition, no need to play any pwc’s except an fbs money game. yep, relative to diversity, we’ll be going “backward”. so get ready for an “exclusive” hbcu football schedule that leads to a soul bowl championship game... Definitely. We might as well go for the CIAA teams to fire up our fan base and get a few extra thousand paying customers for two weeks. Then go over to UNC, Duke, NC State, WAKE to get that check. Damn near every season will look like a mirror, but at least we'll be having fun and making money.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 7, 2015 12:38:33 GMT -5
man, this whole idea of an “hbcu only” approach completely “irks” me in the worst way! i enjoy playing the coastal carolina’s and elons of the world “when it means something”. but now with this soul bowl, i can’t stomach playing those guys in a “meaningless” game.
it cuts off any reason for dialogue with those guys on the message boards. i think it has been pretty cool in the past when pwc posters visit bdv. but now, i guess that won’t happen anymore. and even if it did, it wouldn’t mean anything. we’re no longer on the mainstream fcs stage, we no longer have a connection to fcs pwc’s and that’s a crying shame...
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Post by saabman on Jan 7, 2015 12:46:56 GMT -5
If WSSU wants some, lets get that going back going to get some good gate money. With a reasonable payout of course. I see no reason to play Elon nor Coastal anymore. No reason to play ANY FCS school for a non-conference game that isn't a "Classic" guaranteeing us some money. If we want to play 3 CIAA schools and 1 FBS school as non -conference lets do that also. Removing this strength of schedule due to no playoffs does have its plusses. Chitterling circuit here we come. This situation might net us more revenue if we play it right. We have so many in-state Div 2 schools we can invite to Aggie Stadium its ridiculous. Fayetteville State, WSSU, etc. Better call them now cause that's what NCCU will be doing. I bet they wont be playing UNCC or inviting Townson in to kick their azz anymore. FBS money games and div2 opponents is about all we need now. AM . I don't see to many money game's out there to be played past next season against FBS schools. And playing other FCS schools in the area I just don't see any $$ in that. Now playing CIAA team's like WSSU, FSU, ECSU could be a positive windfall as you stated if handled right.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2015 13:18:41 GMT -5
If WSSU wants some, lets get that going back going to get some good gate money. With a reasonable payout of course. I see no reason to play Elon nor Coastal anymore. No reason to play ANY FCS school for a non-conference game that isn't a "Classic" guaranteeing us some money. If we want to play 3 CIAA schools and 1 FBS school as non -conference lets do that also. Removing this strength of schedule due to no playoffs does have its plusses. Chitterling circuit here we come. This situation might net us more revenue if we play it right. We have so many in-state Div 2 schools we can invite to Aggie Stadium its ridiculous. Fayetteville State, WSSU, etc. Better call them now cause that's what NCCU will be doing. I bet they wont be playing UNCC or inviting Townson in to kick their azz anymore. FBS money games and div2 opponents is about all we need now. AM . I don't see to many money game's out there to be played past next season against FBS schools. And playing other FCS schools in the area I just don't see any $$ in that. Now playing CIAA team's like WSSU, FSU, ECSU could be a positive windfall as you stated if handled right. there is plenty of FBS money games out there. We got 5 FBS schools in-state. 6 if you count App. We got to get to them before the other FCS schools is all.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2015 13:20:35 GMT -5
We could also have at least 6 home games every season. Some years we could have 7.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2015 13:25:59 GMT -5
man, this whole idea of an “hbcu only” approach completely “irks” me in the worst way! i enjoy playing the coastal carolina’s and elons of the world “when it means something”. but now with this soul bowl, i can’t stomach playing those guys in a “meaningless” game. it cuts off any reason for dialogue with those guys on the message boards. i think it has been pretty cool in the past when pwc posters visit bdv. but now, i guess that won’t happen anymore. and even if it did, it wouldn’t mean anything. we’re no longer on the mainstream fcs stage, we no longer have a connection to fcs pwc’s and that’s a crying shame... Is it really a crying shame from a football stand point? They never gave a damn about us and definitely wont now. We really don't give a sheeet about them now. Not the majority of our fan base anyway. Not playing Elon, Coastal, UNCC wont really be missed by anyone. They wont miss playing us either. If anything those game actually cost us money because they dont bring fans and then we have to do a home and home, thus missing out on gate fees. We could easily play Fayetteville State 2 straight years at home and net more money than playing Elon home-and-home. There is now no reason to play the SOCON or Big South or any other FCS conference during the regular season. We will strive to be the "Soul Bowl" champs and talk sheeet when we eventually win it.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 7, 2015 14:06:30 GMT -5
personally, only speaking for myself, i have “zero” interest in the soul bowl other than it being an hbcu contest. none, zippo, nada! winning the soul bowl is “worthless” to me. i don’t like being affiliated “solely” with hbcu’s only. it feels like we’re going back to the 1960’s when we had no choice but to play only hbcu’s. feels like segregation all over again.
i could see going the d2 route since the ciaa still participates in the playoffs. however, there’s far less “exposure” at the d2 level. relative to mainstream america, hardly anybody has ever heard of most d2 schools. even when wssu made it all the way to the d2 national championship football game, we got way more exposure than they did by just winning a play-in game at march madness 2 years ago. way more exposure!! much better tv ratings!! norfolk winning a first round march madness game 3 years ago got way, way more exposure than wssu did!
so i prefer not to go the d2 route. if i had my druthers, we’d be in the big south or the socon if the meac forfeited its autobid. i’ve never wanted to leave the meac until now...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2015 14:25:47 GMT -5
I dont think anyone outside of hard core hbcu football fans and WSSU's own fans knew they even made it to the Div2 championship. But the same could be said if we make to the FCS championship. Ask a average FCS grad who won the national title. They couldn't tell you.
I think that's what the MEAC is doing with this move. Respecting its "bubble". No matter how good we get as a football conference we still have a "bubble" because we are FCS and not FBS AND have a black fan base that could care less about beating North Dakota State as long as we whip our uncle's alma mater..
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