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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 23, 2014 21:45:58 GMT -5
Athletic ReportThe above athletic report contradicts what you are saying below…. The AAF donations were $400K No OSA....that's not going to cut it. I'm not being emotional one bit. If A&T is a conference champion, our AD should be doing whatever possible to get a first round playoff game at home. POINT BLANK. That's not being emotional - that's about doing whatever possible to increase your chances of winning. If you want our conference champion (whether it be A&T or someone else) to have to go out on the road and come home with a playoff win year in and year out........we will likely go another 15 years without winning a playoff game. I'm aware SCSU lost to Furman AT HOME last year.... I'm aware Bethune-Cookman has lost to both New Hampshire and Coastal Carolina AT HOME years back..... I remember when Hampton lost to Richmond years ago AT HOME...... With all of that being said, I would rather play a game on my home turf instead of travelling the countryside trying to win a playoff game at someone else's house. Personally, if our schools aren't going to pay the fees to play home playoff games YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT, I don't believe we're truly serious about winning. There's COMPETING.....There's WINNING......There's a difference. I understand the inherent disadvantages HBCUs may have; but if we are too poor to even pay for a home playoff game......we really need to consider the Heritage Bowl option where we get some money back in the process. Let me be clear ---- I DO NOT WANT THAT OPTION. However, I'm not interested in travelling for playoff games....especially if we're a conference champion. I'm not down with this mindset, where we are immediately putting ourselves at a disadvantage before kickoff...... Feel free to tell me whatever books, websites, and encyclopedias you want me to read.......all I ask of you is to USE YOUR COMMON SENSE ON THIS ONE. Regardless of what happens with the MEAC/SWAC situation.... here are some real numbers for A&T athletics in FY 13-14: Budget for FY 13-14: $10.17 million Student Athletic Fee revenue: $6.85 million AAF scholarship contribution: $0.16 million Sponsorship: $0.11 million A&T just hired a marketing director just over a week ago, which will help on the sponsorship and selling AAF. But I believe far too many of our alums have their head in the sand about how athletics work. If the donor level goes up, the sponsorship level goes up.... then the AAF contribution goes up. Sponsors don't give just because we're A&T. They put more money into schools where residual money is spent in greater volume. If you're willing to donate money to your school.... a sponsor looks at you as being more likely to buy their product because of how you use your residual funds. To NSS's point. If the AAF scholarship contribution is $1.00 million instead of $0.16 million.... Hilton easily has the chips to make the home bid out of the SAF revenue that doesn't have to be spent on scholarships. The solution is there.... the problem is US.....
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Post by numberonebrave on Dec 23, 2014 22:18:05 GMT -5
We really should expect the Convention and visitors bureau to underwrite any playoff game in greensboro. It is time to insist that the business community contribute more to the success of NCAT athletics. That would be a win win for everyone
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Post by DECKS on Dec 24, 2014 1:29:46 GMT -5
I've always felt the MEAC should foot the bill for the conference champion to host a first round playoff game.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Dec 24, 2014 7:59:18 GMT -5
Athletic ReportThe above athletic report contradicts what you are saying below…. The AAF donations were $400K Regardless of what happens with the MEAC/SWAC situation.... here are some real numbers for A&T athletics in FY 13-14: Budget for FY 13-14: $10.17 million Student Athletic Fee revenue: $6.85 million AAF scholarship contribution: $0.16 million Sponsorship: $0.11 million A&T just hired a marketing director just over a week ago, which will help on the sponsorship and selling AAF. But I believe far too many of our alums have their head in the sand about how athletics work. If the donor level goes up, the sponsorship level goes up.... then the AAF contribution goes up. Sponsors don't give just because we're A&T. They put more money into schools where residual money is spent in greater volume. If you're willing to donate money to your school.... a sponsor looks at you as being more likely to buy their product because of how you use your residual funds. To NSS's point. If the AAF scholarship contribution is $1.00 million instead of $0.16 million.... Hilton easily has the chips to make the home bid out of the SAF revenue that doesn't have to be spent on scholarships. The solution is there.... the problem is US..... Actually.... it doesn't.... the total gross AAF donor revenue was $456K, which is what shows up on that report. The amount given to Athletics for scholarships was $160K ($0.16 million). So that number is accurate.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 24, 2014 8:55:40 GMT -5
There's a lot of talk about what should be happening financially. The problem is that we can't pay nary a bill on should. We have to work with what we have (don't have) now. We have a d-2 or NAIA budget now. Seems like an easy solution to me... NSS, I found this for you and your main concern: Will we be lucky enough to have any home field advantage on any play off games? No. Host teams have to bid for home games during the playoffs and pay the NCAA a share of the revenues. AD Hilton has chosen not to bid THIS YEAR , observe the process, and reserve the right to bid next year if we are fortunate enough to be in that position. Now does "fortunate enough" mean he was simply concerned whether we could win enough games, or concerned that the MEAC would no longer participate in the playoffs, or both? Who knows at this point.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 24, 2014 9:12:34 GMT -5
This was posted on the MEACFAN page. Take it for what it's worth. I would love to know who's in favor of giving up the playoff AQ. I know as of this morning that the presidents of howard, savannah state, and Hampton are for it. I know that the presidents of BCU, and NCA&T are against it....A&T vehemently so I know that the president of SCSU was leaning for until some new info came to light...and now he is not for it. I know that a person working the coaches over trying to gain support for it is Joe Taylor
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 24, 2014 9:27:54 GMT -5
i can understand why howard and ssu may favor forfeiting our autobid, its pretty obvious that they’re not interested in investing what it takes to be competitive on a consistent basis. but i’d be very surprised if dr. harvey at hampton is in favor of forfeiting our autobid. all these years he’s been “publicly” advocating hampton to become the “gonzaga of the east” relative to athletics, so i find it hard to believe that dr. harvey would go along with this...
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Post by Striktly on Dec 24, 2014 10:14:30 GMT -5
i can understand why howard and ssu may favor forfeiting our autobid, its pretty obvious that they’re not interested in investing what it takes to be competitive on a consistent basis. but i’d be very surprised if dr. harvey at hampton is in favor of forfeiting our autobid. all these years he’s been “publicly” advocating hampton to become the “gonzaga of the east” relative to athletics, so i find it hard to believe that dr. harvey would go along with this... If any of what was said on MEACFANS is true, Harvey "could" be affected by Joe Taylor being in his ear.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 24, 2014 10:34:54 GMT -5
i can understand why howard and ssu may favor forfeiting our autobid, its pretty obvious that they’re not interested in investing what it takes to be competitive on a consistent basis. but i’d be very surprised if dr. harvey at hampton is in favor of forfeiting our autobid. all these years he’s been “publicly” advocating hampton to become the “gonzaga of the east” relative to athletics, so i find it hard to believe that dr. harvey would go along with this... If any of what was said on MEACFANS is true, Harvey "could" be affected by Joe Taylor being in his ear. i dunno, based on what hampton alums have told me, dr. harvey and joe taylor did not break ties on good terms when taylor left hampton for famu. i was told that dr. harvey showed taylor the door when taylor demanded a salary increase that dr. harvey was unwilling to pay. so unless those two have mended their relationship since that time, i doubt seriously that dr. harvey would cater to joe taylor’s advice...
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Post by JeffAggieFan on Dec 24, 2014 11:14:12 GMT -5
Well we better start talking to WSSU about scheduling games in 2016 and beyond since non-conference schedule is not important.
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Post by B&GMM 80 on Dec 24, 2014 16:00:12 GMT -5
This was posted on the MEACFAN page. Take it for what it's worth. I know as of this morning that the presidents of howard, savannah state, and Hampton are for it. I know that the presidents of BCU, and NCA&T are against it....A&T vehemently so I know that the president of SCSU was leaning for until some new info came to light...and now he is not for it. I know that a person working the coaches over trying to gain support for it is Joe Taylor
Well according to the last email conversation with AD Hilton, he wasn't for it................I guess I will wait a tad bit longer before submitting a follow-up email to inquire about "DA AGGIES" and NCA&TSU
Question: If we as a Public State University of NC, doing the "BLACK " THING !
have any effect on funds, monies, and endowments for "NCA&TSU" (aren't we becoming a more diverse University)
jus axing!
AGGIE PRIDE!
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 24, 2014 16:17:34 GMT -5
What conference, division or OOC teams we play has no impact on us being a state supported school or not. As for donations, heck we ain't donating worth a crap now so what conference we play in will not impact that either.
For the life of me I am just baffled how this rumor about us playing in an HBCU bowl vs.continuing to stumble and fumble in the FCS playoff has become such a "civil rights" issues. Some of the comments on here make you think this decision is on the level of returning to segregated schools. I don't get it.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 24, 2014 18:29:57 GMT -5
I hear ya mb69......would the same consternation be present if we scheduled a bowl game vs the Big South or SoCon champion? If the SWAC was one of the top conferences in the FCS, would we be so opposed to it? If both the MEAC and SWAC were consistently top level FCS conferences, I honestly wouldn't be objected to the Heritage Bowl concept. I think the main hang up is both conferences just aren't very good.....and we both happen to be historically black. I get it. If a few of the variables were changed, I don't think there would be such vehement opposition, which I do understand.
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Post by DECKS on Dec 25, 2014 8:37:36 GMT -5
I emailed Hilton a few days ago and Id say his position has not changed.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 26, 2014 11:36:43 GMT -5
Well now that we've had a few emotional days to argue about this "rumor" does anyone have some actual facts on the 2015 MEAC/SWAC football plans? I've heard everyone's opinion so now I'd like some real facts so I can make a decision for myself. So anybody got more than just rumors and made up crap?
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