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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 1, 2014 9:34:25 GMT -5
Monster, that's a play on words or semantics, if you will. While they won the game, they played better and all of those things that you can think of on 11/22/14. But, from a wholistic standpoint, we are a better squad that didn't play their "A" game and lost because of it. Would you say Ole Miss is better than Alabama? Would you say Va. Tech is better than Ohio State? I ask those questions so we can understand that in those cases yeah those teams were better that PARTICULAR day but, in the grand scheme of things what does that mean? Now, in our case, it's no different...on 11/22/14 NCCU was better. But, wholistically, I don't think so...that's why the loss hurts so bad. If we really believed that NCCU was a better team and we had no chance at beating, I wouldn't be agonizing with this pain. That's the name of this thread, "How long will the pain last?" One last thing, to shift a little to the left, if we loss to NCCU in basketball, my feelings will not be hurt one iota because, their team is flat out better than ours. Now, I'm sure some may debate that but, if you know anything about the game, you can see it on the court as well as the results.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 1, 2014 9:35:58 GMT -5
Having talent matters but I think what did us in that Saturday was NCCU's game plan. They figured out a way to rush Quick and force him to rush his passes. Quick did scramble for yardage but he didn't have enough time to hit his key receivers. Like other teams NCCU concentrated on stopping Cohen (didn't work) but Quick was able to find open receivers to keep them honest. I never thought Quick got on track with his passes. And NCCU figured out how to totally shut down Keyes.
But that game is over and history. Let's just hope that in the 2015 season we will be able to beat tough teams with winning records.
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 1, 2014 9:47:25 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 1, 2014 9:56:17 GMT -5
Ohsix, I just dont think we were all that great. We were good,, but I'm just saying we cant be claiming that we are superior than someone else with a 6-2 conference record when we laid eggs twice. Anybody with a nose for football can see that we were not and NEVER were heads and shoulders above the MEAC. We were too inconsistent at certain parts of the game. Maybe next year we can sure those weaknesses up and claim to be "better" than everyone, but we were not THIS year.
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 1, 2014 11:16:31 GMT -5
Ohsix, I just dont think we were all that great. We were good,, but I'm just saying we cant be claiming that we are superior than someone else with a 6-2 conference record when we laid eggs twice. Anybody with a nose for football can see that we were not and NEVER were heads and shoulders above the MEAC. We were too inconsistent at certain parts of the game. Maybe next year we can sure those weaknesses up and claim to be "better" than everyone, but we were not THIS year. I guess that goes without saying at this point in time, right. But, we all know that any given Saturday, any can come away with an "L". While, we are not light years ahead of the rest of the conference, we are in the top 3. Based on your argument...Hampton is/was better than Bethune Cookman on 11/6/14 but, the other 364 days of the year Bethune Cookman is better. |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 1, 2014 11:30:04 GMT -5
If you think we were way better than NCCU then that is your opinion and I respect that. NCCU improved as the season went on if you were following them.
I just dont think we were much better than the other top teams. We were on par in my opinion. Any one of those top 5 teams(at full strength) could beat any of the other ones on any given Saturday. We should expect to win, but putting it in perspective we didn't and should not have dominated the MEAC this year. Considering our rebuilding time table we were already ahead of schedule. It was a good year, but to think this lose to NCCU was some type of impossible feat by NCCU or something that was incapable of happening is crazy. People tend to forget that NCCU fumbled inside the 10 as well. If they hadn't fumbled it would have probably broke our backs much earlier in the game. There was also another play where the NCCU WR dropped as sure TD. He would have strolled in the end zone. It goes both ways. We can say "what if" and they can say "what if". Fact is, we lose.
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 1, 2014 12:04:23 GMT -5
No disputing the loss...we didn't match their intensity level and we lost momentum. Most teams that let those two attributes happen to them in a game will probably lose. But, call me crazy, but if we play NCCU again with the two current teams, I BELIEVE with everything in me that we win at least 7 out of 10 times. I'll chalk it up as it wasn't meant to be this season. And 11/22/14 was definitely a teaching moment for our team...when you get opportunities such as these, you have to close the deal. Point Blank.
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Post by saabman on Dec 1, 2014 13:25:55 GMT -5
No disputing the loss...we didn't match their intensity level and we lost momentum. Most teams that let those two attributes happen to them in a game will probably lose. But, call me crazy, but if we play NCCU again with the two current teams, I BELIEVE with everything in me that we win at least 7 out of 10 times. I'll chalk it up as it wasn't meant to be this season. And 11/22/14 was definitely a teaching moment for our team...when you get opportunities such as these, you have to close the deal. Point Blank. Rain . Are you forgetting that NCCU was playing at Home . That right their gave them more inventive to play harder in this important game. If you ask me A&T and NCCU were evenly matched teams talent wise. It was a good close game. |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 1, 2014 13:32:55 GMT -5
There are times in life to rise to certain occasions. Our team didn't. We were the mentally and emotionally weaker team that day. If the staff and players cannot handle pressure situations, then we have problems. It's no coincidence our 3 losses were against quality teams. This team consistently found ways to lose in big games this year - that's a problem we have to correct. Don't let big moments overwhelm you......
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 1, 2014 16:01:21 GMT -5
There are times in life to rise to certain occasions. Our team didn't. We were the mentally and emotionally weaker team that day. If the staff and players cannot handle pressure situations, then we have problems. It's no coincidence our 3 losses were against quality teams. This team consistently found ways to lose in big games this year - that's a problem we have to correct. Don't let big moments overwhelm you...... Now, I can respect this because, the attributes you mention has nothing to do with physical ability or talent. |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 2, 2014 11:59:28 GMT -5
Thats my point. Mental toughness speaks to how good you are as well. It's not just a physical game. We were not that much better than the other teams we tied with when you factor ALL the elements of football in.
Now, were we better physically? Thats another argument in itself. Did you see #6? He was a specimen!(no homo, LOL) None of our DEs look like that. he's a pro prospect.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 2, 2014 12:58:26 GMT -5
That's convenient to say ... if you are just trying to minimize the importance of all the games we actually won this year.
Please tell me how Elon, Morgan, Hampton, and Howard were not important and season-defining victories? If we lose any of those contests, the season-finale against NCCU is a moot point.
Ask Bethune and SCSU if their matchups against Hampton and Morgan, respectively, were not big games.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 2, 2014 13:10:23 GMT -5
I could care less about Bethune Cookman or SCSU........when it came to our bigger games of the season, we lost them. Elon was a bad team; Hampton was not good; Howard wasn't good. Morgan won the conference AQ, but they looked like an average team to me. I'll give credit to our team for beating Morgan and making them look average. However, it can be argued that the 3 best teams on our schedule this year......we lost to them all.
I'm not minimizing anything about the teams we've beaten. How those teams fared throughout the year spoke volumes for them. The teams we beat collectively had a 25% winning percentage...that's not NSS minimizing the teams we played. Those teams' bodies of work spoke for themselves. A&T cannot be blamed for putting those folks on the schedule (except for the Chowan game). This was just a year where 8 out of the 12 teams we played were just flat-out bad teams.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Dec 2, 2014 13:11:46 GMT -5
Thats my point. Mental toughness speaks to how good you are as well. It's not just a physical game. We were not that much better than the other teams we tied with when you factor ALL the elements of football in. Now, were we better physically? Thats another argument in itself. Did you see #6? He was a specimen!(no homo, LOL) None of our DEs look like that. he's a pro prospect. All true points. Ty Brown (#6) finished up 2nd Team All-MEAC beside Marquis Ragland. He played LB his first 3 years before moving to DE this year.... had 15.5 TFL. He's 6'4" 235 lbs (similar in size to Chris McNeil for us back in the late 90s). He might have a shot to be a Robert Mathis-type edge rusher at the next level. The one DE we have with similar athleticism is Angelo Keyes. But based on what was happening during the NCCU game, I'm not so sure that Keyes won't make a permanent switch to MLB next year.... that would be a game-changer if he can make the switch. |
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 2, 2014 15:43:42 GMT -5
I agree #6 was a beast...our question some of the offensive play calls. We didn't necessarily exploit our favorable match-ups.
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