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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 2, 2014 9:38:24 GMT -5
I'm not condoning this young man's behavior or actions ,but I think people throw the word "thug" around to loosely at times . One of our all time greats in basketball James "Bird" Sparrow used to sell weed back in the day , I know this because I was one of his customers . There is a big difference in being a "thug" and selling weed , lets not forget we have two states that now allow pot to be sold legally . I know people from all walks of life , professionals ,doctors , and the like who indulge . They are in no way shape or form "thugs". I understand that it is illegal ,but that does not automatically make one a "thug" . I know this will not go over well with some of you , but I got to keep it real . One minute we are mourning his loss , the next we are demonizing him calling him "thug" . i wasn't aware of what you stated, but i agree with your point...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on May 2, 2014 9:48:34 GMT -5
It's starts with a requirement that all players live on campus unless you are married (and this aint BYU). This was kinda a recepie for disaster a transfer with a few issues in the past living off campus with his girlfriend ?
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Post by aggierattler on May 2, 2014 9:59:44 GMT -5
It's starts with a requirement that all players live on campus unless you are married (and this aint BYU)... I, too, agree that all scholarship athletes who are not married should be required to live on-campus until they reach senior status in academic hours. After that, if they want to live off-campus and can afford to do so, let them do it.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 2, 2014 10:11:01 GMT -5
It's starts with a requirement that all players live on campus unless you are married (and this aint BYU). This was kinda a recepie for disaster a transfer with a few issues in the past living off campus with his girlfriend ? frisco, i agree that might help. but even forcing all football players to live on campus won't stop a player from dealing drugs. they might be safer on campus, but it ain't like we haven't had shootings on campus too. there are no easy answers to guns and drugs on or off of college campuses. if there was an easy answer, teens wouldn't still be killing each other. i mean, there's a long list of drug incidents related to college students, just last year unc's pj hairston got suspended for drug related issues. a couple years ago the white "sharp shooter" who transferred from uncg to nccu got busted for selling drugs. try googling "college athlete drug dealers" and you'll find a ton of them all over the place. so i agree there are measures we can take to decrease the likelihood of drugs on our sports teams, but it can't be totally eliminated without investing huge amounts of money...
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Post by daddyaggie on May 2, 2014 13:14:25 GMT -5
I'm not condoning this young man's behavior or actions ,but I think people throw the word "thug" around to loosely at times . One of our all time greats in basketball James "Bird" Sparrow used to sell weed back in the day , I know this because I was one of his customers . There is a big difference in being a "thug" and selling weed , lets not forget we have two states that now allow pot to be sold legally . I know people from all walks of life , professionals ,doctors , and the like who indulge . They are in no way shape or form "thugs". I understand that it is illegal ,but that does not automatically make one a "thug" . I know this will not go over well with some of you , but I got to keep it real . One minute we are mourning his loss , the next we are demonizing him calling him "thug" . I agree. Thug- 1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer. 2. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims. Making a bad decision doesn't make this kid a thug. If you listen to those around him, they were shocked and still in disbelief. This is a situation of a good kid making a bad choice. The way this went down lends to the idea that he may not have been doing this for long. For all we know, this could ave been his first time. $200.00 of weed isn't a large amount. Being unfamiliar with the buyer is another move someone would make if they haven't been in the game a while. My thing is how can we prevent this from happening to another kid.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on May 2, 2014 13:37:04 GMT -5
I dont think we can totaly prevent but you certainally can keep a tighter arm around someone living in your house (a dorm in this case). I am not saying that Broadway does this but he would have every right to walk through the dorm the players live in at 3 AM in the morining just to see whats going on.
But the staff / school has no control or the right to walk through a student athletes private home.....
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Post by bigpeete1 on May 2, 2014 21:11:40 GMT -5
STUDENTS NEED TO EXPERIENCE LIFE SKILLS BEFORE THEY GRADUATE. LIVING OFF CAMPUS IS A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
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Post by saabman on May 2, 2014 22:42:21 GMT -5
I'm not condoning this young man's behavior or actions ,but I think people throw the word "thug" around to loosely at times . One of our all time greats in basketball James "Bird" Sparrow used to sell weed back in the day , I know this because I was one of his customers . There is a big difference in being a "thug" and selling weed , lets not forget we have two states that now allow pot to be sold legally . I know people from all walks of life , professionals ,doctors , and the like who indulge . They are in no way shape or form "thugs". I understand that it is illegal ,but that does not automatically make one a "thug" . I know this will not go over well with some of you , but I got to keep it real . One minute we are mourning his loss , the next we are demonizing him calling him "thug" . I agree. Thug- 1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer. 2. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims. Making a bad decision doesn't make this kid a thug. If you listen to those around him, they were shocked and still in disbelief. This is a situation of a good kid making a bad choice. The way this went down lends to the idea that he may not have been doing this for long. For all we know, this could ave been his first time. $200.00 of weed isn't a large amount. Being unfamiliar with the buyer is another move someone would make if they haven't been in the game a while My thing is how can we prevent this from happening to another kid.[/quo. I used too like on Banks st back in the day. Then it was a nice aera to live. Now it's gone to hell. I still have home Boys in the aera and from the infor that I have recieved. Clark may not have been a B Boy but he has been dealing a long time and the cats that smoked him had been seen around hanging around with him.
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Post by hoopfan on May 2, 2014 22:52:53 GMT -5
This is very sad. 3 lives lost over some weed. We all need to continue to pray for our youth because it's needed. Talking to my cousin the other day was hard when she told me about this. She and her teammates were hurt because at the end of the day, he was a friend to some and family being a student-athlete. I'm not sure what could be done. Like some have said, you can't follow them around 24-7 but maybe having some rules in place that hold the players responsible and accountable for their actions. They need to be taught how to be responsible. For example, the ladies have curfew during the season and when they aren't in season. If the ladies leave to go out of town, even if close, they have to tell someone. If they stay out, they must check in. They used to wonder why Coach Robinson had this in place and talk to them so much about how they handle themselves in the public but after this incident, they see. This is tough. I'm not and aggie, but this is something you don't want to ever hear about. I feel for the families because I've lost a family member to the streets and it doesn't feel good. I'm not sure how the coaches could have prevented this from happening. I'm sure they are hurting as well. You can't get a good indication of how a student athlete is until they are at school. What I do know is that these young men need role models and mentors to teach them the right way. Maybe some counselors to come in and really talk to them. Like someone has said before, this happens everywhere and not just at hbcus. Let's keep our kids in prayer.
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Post by saabman on May 3, 2014 0:11:04 GMT -5
Truthfully their is no to Gage the behavior of students once they are away from their familys. Coaches can only do so much. But the players hold a lot more influence on other players actions then the coaches do, and if the players don't stand up and confront a player/players actions on are off the field then it's ok and their actions continue. Some may not agree with this but I would say that about 80% of the team knew about Clarks actions outside of the team but said nothing. I showed this to a number of my kids and the first thing out of there mouth was " coach he knew the robberš " When asked what they would have done to confront the player, U could hear a pin fall. Until the players confront the problem you will continue to have the problem and That is just the way it is.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 3, 2014 9:35:58 GMT -5
Truthfully their is no to Gage the behavior of students once they are away from their familys. Coaches can only do so much. But the players hold a lot more influence on other players actions then the coaches do, and if the players don't stand up and confront a player/players actions on are off the field then it's ok and their actions continue. Some may not agree with this but I would say that about 80% of the team knew about Clarks actions outside of the team but said nothing. I showed this to a number of my kids and the first thing out of there mouth was " coach he knew the robberš " When asked what they would have done to confront the player, U could hear a pin fall. Until the players confront the problem you will continue to have the problem and That is just the way it is. totally agree. absolutely a large percentage of teammates know who sells drugs on the team, if any. matter fact, some of them probably even purchase drugs from teammates. these kind of things go on all the time but the public never knows about it until a tragedy like this happens. so i agree with you, saabman. like you, i'm around kids of this age on a day to day basis and i understand their mindset. some of the nicest kids in the world deal drugs and no one would even know about it. i think measures can be done to lessen the likelihood of incidents like this. even if every member of the football team stayed on campus all 4 or 5 years they're on the team, you still can't prevent them from selling drugs. you can impose curfews (which most coaches do), you can do random bed checks, you can monitor the dorm hallways 24/7 and you still won't be able to prevent drug dealing. again, no one can follow 100 football players 24 hours a day...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on May 3, 2014 10:30:01 GMT -5
I also agree with Saabman.... And that's why stiffer penalties need to be placed on our players. I don't know how often (if ever) drug testing is done with our players. I think this needs to be done year-around. I think it also needs to be stated when players join the team on DAY ONE that possession or use of illegal drugs of any type leads to an automatic suspension, if not dismissal from the team. In fact, I would go as far as to have a contract stating these things for every player to sign before he becomes an Aggie football player.
Didn't we just have one dude recently on the team moonlighting as a ghetto pharmacist a while back??? I just don't think the message is getting across that the coaching staff (and university) is serious about illegal drug intolerance. Coach Broadway (and frankly Chancellor Martin) need to emphasize this to the team and start cracking down on the team when it comes to drugs.
I'm well aware we aren't the only football program with such issues, but I really don't care to compare our school to anyone else's. All I know is when you see a dead black man, a black school, and marijuana deal gone bad all rolled into one............IMMEDIATE NEGATIVE IMAGERY ensues from the general public.
Yall don't know how many times already I've been stopped, asking me about what's going on at A&T this week (gun threat and this)....everyone knows I'm a die-hard Aggie where I work; it's embarassing to even have to come up with some type of logical answer to explain an illogical and unfortunate event.
I'm not blaming the coaching staff or the school for how this all unfolded, but I just don't get the sense there is a hard line being drawn with the football team about how drug involvement cannot be tolerated. This needs to change immediately.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 3, 2014 14:13:28 GMT -5
as stated previously, i can't even imagine that a man of coach broadway's integrity has not made it clear to his team that there is a "no tolerance, no 2nd chances" policy for guys who are caught dealing drugs or possessing fire arms. i just can't bring myself to believe that.
guys already know they'd be kicked out of school if caught selling drugs or possessing fire arms, much less kicked off the team. but i know how college aged teens think, that is not a deterrent to them selling drugs because its too easy to get away with selling drugs. 90% of the time, these drug dealers don't get caught. so threats to kick them off the team or out of school won't deter them from selling drugs. honestly, anyone who thinks it would is out of touch with college aged students.
i mean, selling drugs is a "felony" crime and if caught, could take their "freedom" away. if the threat of taking your freedom away ain't enough to deter guys from selling drugs, kicking them off the team or kicking them out of school won't deter them either. this problem is a lot more prevalent than a lot of people think, primarily because 90% of the time, drug dealers don't get caught...
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Post by Aggie One on May 3, 2014 14:57:06 GMT -5
This is not a new problem. During the Mo Forte era, there were a group of players including a All-conference DB who ended up going to jail because they were selling and distributing cocaine out of the dorms back in the late 80's just before Bill Hayes came to town. The 1986 team won the MEAC and went to the playoffs and returned most team the next year and promptly fell flat on their faces when that incident jumped off. You won't stop it entirely but this incident as dreadful as it is, can and should be used as a object lesson to counsel the kids that only two things happen when you start selling drugs, jail or death or both.
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Post by maxwell12 on May 3, 2014 16:37:22 GMT -5
Jermane D. Clark Jermane D. Clark departed this life on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, in Greensboro, N.C. He was born on July 13, 1991, in Lynchburg, to Anna and Melvin Clark. A funeral service will be conducted 3:30 p.m. at Diamond Hill Baptist Church. Interment will be in the Tree of Life Cemetery, Altavista, Va. The family is receiving friends from 2:30 to 3:30 p.m. at the church, prior to the service. Family and friends will assemble at the church. Condolences may be emailed to comfuneral@aol.com. Community Funeral Home directing www.communityfuneralhomeince.com
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