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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 9:07:53 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed is if anyone transfers into our program, with Broadway at the helm, they will work hard and graduate. The CB from Colo. Definitely comes to mind when I write this.
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Post by Aggie One on Apr 6, 2014 11:08:51 GMT -5
And there in lies the the point that Dooms just made such a good case for in his last post. Folks love to read about getting some guy from a big name school because they automatically assume he or she is better than anyone else on the roster but truth be told only a small handful actually live up to the hype let alone actually show up and play significant roles when the season starts. Unless you tried to recruit the kid before for yourself, you are taking a naturally high risk on most transfers.
In talking to our coaches, especially in men's sports, you are taking a chance on someone else's recruit based on what they bring to the table in reputation rather than actual production including all their liabilities. We tried that route before and it cost us dearly with probation , sanctions, and APR problems. FAMU is trying it again this year under Holmes just like they did with Billy Joe but the landscape has changed significantly in 12 years and I don't give that move much of a chance of succeeding.
I prefer to let the Coach Broadway and his staff make those determinations. We've done pretty well with one hand behind back with probation without a ton of transfers the last three years. Let's see how we do with the gloves now off and on a level playing ground with a clean slate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 12:41:28 GMT -5
Also with us winning and the overall profile of A&T growing/improving, Coach Broadway will have an easier time attracting and analyzing potential transfers.
There's a reason why he is reaching on prospects that are signing at various FBS schools; he's establishing a positive relationship with a kid that, if looking at transferring, will have us on the short list if it comes to that point.
I definitely agree with that strategy.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 7, 2014 0:13:16 GMT -5
....and what did SCSU do? Go to playoffs and lose, period. You're right. Do what SCSU did and get what SCSU got. Broadway,Moton, Bibbs ain't stupid. Yes, you establish a stable program by doing the things you have mentioned. We're doing that. Now it's time to build a program beats the hell out most opponents, and wins close games against tough opponents. Remember "Beatdowns Unlimited"? Remember Amber and Brittanie? That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about either/or. We have to get good high school recruits AND transfers. APR -- do your due dilligence on each player and make an informed decision. Again for football I'm talking 5 or 6 players. You have a definite point, and I hated to have to base a model for success off what SCSCU did. Years ago we were debating something or another and somebody said we should base our model off what Hampton was doing at the time (getting good high school recruits AND transfers) and I went slap off because I noted Hampton hadn't done diddly-squat come playoff time. The problem is NOBODY in the conference has done diddly-squat come playoff time. So who can we really base a proper model on? I figure we can move to d-2 and take transfers galore, temper our expectations in d-1, or double to triple our athletics budget. As far as basketball, I really couldn't care less so I didn't comment on it. It's not a sport that interests me very much, so other than skimming what people on here have typed, I don't remember "Beatdowns Unlimited." I'm just hoping that "Beatdowns Unlimited" doesn't end up leading to "APR Limited" at some point. As far as taking five or six players, I think we pretty much do that already (three or four I guess). When you started the topic I thought you meant going transfer heavy like Hampton and FAMU used to do or like WSSU does every year. So what are you advocating that's different from what we already do? And what positions too? I remember we got a d-lineman from Nebraska. He didn't last long. We got a receiver (a big un too) from Navy, didn't make it past spring practice. A qb from South Carolina, couldn't pass a drug test. A wide receiver from Florida, was woefully underutilized. I think Broadway's done an excellent job of bringing in a guy or three who will contribute and graduate. And with the APR standards and our historical failure to adhere to them, I'm behind him. What I'm advocating is that we get to that 5 or 6 players level,recruit with that in mind and maintain it year after year. I would want Broadway's "guy or three" to ramp up fast and intentionally to 5 or 6 not by happenstance. Positions ideally for me would be: (1)Offensive skill player, (3)Linemen, (1)Secondary and (1)bonus Back/LB. All with at least two years of eligibility left. I'm not saying that it's easy but at least you would know what you are working towards and recruiting for. For all I know he may have similar thoughts. I'm just saying think faster. Yes, we may have tried the route before but it was with inferior coaching. I believe this coaching staff could do it the right way.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 7, 2014 7:53:32 GMT -5
I do too, but I also wonder if there aren't risks associated with basically guaranteeing 1/4 of your starting players will be guys who didn't pay their dues in the program.
For example, if I was a qb coming out of high school, I simply WOULD NOT attend WSSU. Nor would I have attended FAMU back in their glory days in the 90s. Why? Because they rarely played their hs qb recruits, instead always reaching for "something better."
I guess I'm typing it out and figuring out my opinion as I go along. But as I figure it out, as far as football goes, I personally wouldn't be interested in intentionally recruiting guys we already know we're only going to get two years out of. If they're interested in coming, there's a need at the position, and we already know what they bring to the table, that's one thing. But to just run around looking to get castoffs from FBS schools as a purposeful recruting strategy? Not my thing. I'd much rather recruit from high school, redshirt, and introduce gradually so they'll be ready to contribute as 21 year old juniors and 22 year old seniors. But then, I ain't the coach.
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Post by saabman on Apr 7, 2014 10:46:18 GMT -5
I do too, but I also wonder if there aren't risks associated with basically guaranteeing 1/4 of your starting players will be guys who didn't pay their dues in the program. For example, if I was a qb coming out of high school, I simply WOULD NOT attend WSSU. Nor would I have attended FAMU back in their glory days in the 90s. Why? Because they rarely played their hs qb recruits, instead always reaching for "something better." I guess I'm typing it out and figuring out my opinion as I go along. But as I figure it out, as far as football goes, I personally wouldn't be interested in intentionally recruiting guys we already know we're only going to get two years out of. If they're interested in coming, there's a need at the position, and we already know what they bring to the table, that's one thing. But to just run around looking to get castoffs from FBS schools as a purposeful recruting strategy? Not my thing. I'd much rather recruit from high school, redshirt, and introduce gradually so they'll be ready to contribute as 21 year old juniors and 22 year old seniors. But then, I ain't the coach. Dooms your right on point. Look on avg maybe one are two FBS players are a bet too start when they transfer. Now WSSU ran by luck and played in a weak CIAA so it looked invateing to have a butt load of FBS transfers. NDSU as always had a few FBS transfers but most did not see much playing time only as back ups to kids out of hugh school. If A&T is looking to win with a loaded tansfered team it's only going to be a quick fix and we still will not win the MEAC. Just do it the right way.. Coach and build A&T the right wayCoach
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Post by Aggie One on Apr 7, 2014 11:41:04 GMT -5
If you look at our spring roster from this past weekend's practice game, we have close to 70 kids who are now 20-year old red shirt freshmen and 21 or 22-year old R-Sophs that sat out last year. We have or will have four FBS transfers and two JUCO kids on the team this fall and I doubt that any will start except rising Sophomore Xavier Griffin (WR, NCSU) and maybe R-Fr. Joshua Patrick (MLB, Memphis) if he can beat out Denzel Jones from Dudley who was all over the place making tackles Saturday afternoon.
Transfers don't necessarily equal automatic improvement. We have some really stout football players that have been stockpiled by Broadway and his staff the last two years and I could tell there is a distinct difference in their level of athleticism and strength over last season. Red shirting does work wonders.
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Post by saabman on Apr 7, 2014 11:54:25 GMT -5
Grffin came from ECU not State He was a Track man.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 7, 2014 11:57:02 GMT -5
No, you're thinking of Lawrence, Saabman.
But I don't think Griffin actually suited up for NCSU. I think he committed there but went to a prep school, then came to us. I may be wrong.
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Post by Aggie One on Apr 7, 2014 12:30:52 GMT -5
Lawrence (ECU) will be the other wideout with Griffin. Griffin signed with NCSU out of HS but had to go to prep school for a year and then they fired the coach (and staff) that recruited him. The slot receiver spot is a war between Weaver and Spann. You look even deeper at guys like Keyes, Francis, Swann, Todd, and Bullock and you begin to get the picture.
Anyway you cut it there's a ton of speed and big play potential at the reciever positions.
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Post by saabman on Apr 7, 2014 23:53:23 GMT -5
No, you're thinking of Lawrence, Saabman. But I don't think Griffin actually suited up for NCSU. I think he committed there but went to a prep school, then came to us. I may be wrong. My dab . The kid has a butt load of speed. Your right he could make the ideal book end . With speed on both sides looking good gents.
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Post by Maxell on Apr 7, 2014 23:58:44 GMT -5
If you look at our spring roster from this past weekend's practice game, we have close to 70 kids who are now 20-year old red shirt freshmen and 21 or 22-year old R-Sophs that sat out last year. We have or will have four FBS transfers and two JUCO kids on the team this fall and I doubt that any will start except rising Sophomore Xavier Griffin (WR, NCSU) and maybe R-Fr. Joshua Patrick (MLB, Memphis) if he can beat out Denzel Jones from Dudley who was all over the place making tackles Saturday afternoon. Transfers don't necessarily equal automatic improvement. We have some really stout football players that have been stockpiled by Broadway and his staff the last two years and I could tell there is a distinct difference in their level of athleticism and strength over last season. Red shirting does work wonders. Listen to yourself. If what you said is correct, he's 2/3 of the way there. Did I say that they had to all be starters? Read my lips....SIX, six,6, VI. Not a "buttload". Aggie One,we just disagree. It will make a measureable difference. FBS players will generally come in bigger and stronger. That alone will raise the bar even in practice. If we added three FBS linemen to the roster right now, we automatically win nine games. (Anybody remember McNeil from NC State?) Aggie football will have a very good season this year. How will we fair against Coastal,Elon,BCU,SCSU and Hampton? When we can go into the season feeling confident that the team is capable of going 5-0 against those opponents without question then we are there. I couldn't be confident right now to do that and talk shat about it. And you know talking shat is the main reason we love Aggie football anyway.
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 10, 2014 13:56:03 GMT -5
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Post by Trueaggie on Aug 10, 2014 14:09:17 GMT -5
Is Martin eligible to play this year?
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Post by numberonebrave on Aug 10, 2014 16:23:36 GMT -5
Regarding Martin ..........Yes!!!!!
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